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  1. My reasons for not including Lawson are more personal than they should be. Her and her staff did my daughters teammate very wrong during the recruiting process. Had the kid committed for about 2 years and then pulled the offer at the last minute when something better came along. Left a good, loyal kid hung out to dry.

    Mike White is a really good coach, no one will ever accuse him of being a really nice guy.

    That coach at Stanford that he helped get shown the door, is one of the top coaches in the country. He would have been 1 and 1A with Walton for me, but I didn’t list coach Rittman because I think there is zero chance he leaves Clemson before coaching his 1st game with them.

  2. He signed the 10 year deal the morning after Texas posted the job. There is no doubt that there were conversations with Texas. How far his agent took them, before Florida ponied up, is anyone's guess. I am actually shocked that Florida went 10 years on the contract. More than likely that was their way of making the money even out over the long term. Walton has three 11 year olds verbally committed to the Gators, at least now he will actually be there to coach them.

    My biggest concern now, is with the big fish out of the pond, will CDC panic and simply go after a big time name, instead of a big time coach.

  3. I believe Walton was offered the job, and notified CDC last night that he would be staying at Florida. On to the next group.....You will know who the next person offered is, when they also sign a long lucrative contract at their current school. 😂

  4. 1 hour ago, texashorn13 said:

    That's a really good list, and Texas should shake the trees on all of them.  However, realistically, only 3 of the 11 you listed would leave their current situation.  For many reasons, Texas is really not a top job right now.  It's not a situation where a new coach will walk in and win immediately.  Facilities are severely lacking, and because of the recruiting landscape for the past several years and how poorly Texas has recruited, from that standpoint Texas is really behind the 8-ball so to speak.  Frankly, this is a total rebuild, which is why I think looking at some of the top assistants is the correct way to go.  Proven recruiters from proven programs who are ready to step in and make a program their own.  I still think Jimmy Kolaitis and Craig Snider should be at the top of the list, after making Walton say no, of course.

    You are completely correct about most of these coaches not leaving their current situations. I don't think Tarr, Lonnie, Ford or Deifel will leave their schools for Texas. However, Walton will have a rebuild on his hands next year at Florida as well. Barnhill faded and seemed to tire at the end of the season, and Ocasio is gone as the #2. He also loses a lot of offensive production from a team that had trouble scoring runs, and returns a group of freshmen that didn't exactly set the world on fire, except for Adams and Mathews. They have some talented kids in the dugout, but they are mostly unproven. Like you, I am a big big fan of Kolaitis, and he is an excellent recruiter, but I agree that we HAVE to kick the tires on the Walton situation prior to speaking to anyone else.

  5. Not worse, but not the answer either. Walton is having exit interviews with his players today. If a meeting with Texas were to happen, it would likely occur before the end of the week. If Walton turns down the job, then we can all debate who the next tier of candidates would be. For me personally, Lonnie would be in the top 10, but not my top 5. Unfortunately for Texas, the guy who I think is one of the top coaches in the country is in the process of building a program at Clemson. Rittman would have been an ideal candidate for the job.

    Top 5 for me would be...

    1. Tim Walton - easily the best coach available to Texas

    2. Mike White - Oregon coach is a master with pitchers

    3. Glenn Moore - Baylor coach would hit the ground running with Texas talent.

    4. Pat Murphy - Alabama coach has had a strong run at Bama, and almost left them a few years ago for LSU

    5. Heather Tarr - Probably my actual number 2, but I don't think she is leaving Washington for any other job.

    The next group includes Lonnie, Trish Ford (ASU), Kenny G (OKState), KIP (UCLA), Deifel (Arkansas), Angel Santiago (Nichols State), Jimmy Kolaitis (Oregon Asst.)

  6. 500K won't get it done with Walton. If CDC thinks he is the guy, then he should pay him and get it over with. I think the offer is 650K salary, 100K to win the Big XII, 100K to host a super, 150K for winning the WCWS. That gets him a smooth million for a NC. The first time he wins the Big XII, you take out that incentive and just give him the 100K raise.

  7. 10 hours ago, Js1 said:

    Torina - maybe bc in her 7 years, LSU has made 5 super regionals and 4 WCWS. That's kinda good.  Sticking with Howard Dobson has been her downfall for sure. She'd have to leave him in Baton Rouge.

    Say what you want about Patrick Murphy only having 1 title in 20 years with Alabama, but he has made every super regional since the format started; never had a team go less than .600 (his first Alabama team went .600) and 12/20 years with 50+ wins and 11 WCWS in 20 years.  Coaches who are making it to OKC over HALF the time they make the postseason is pretty dang good.  He was also the first to lead the SEC to a national title and did so with an almost all-home grown roster.  I mean, other coaches who have long tenures:

    Patrick Murphy - 11 in 20 seasons (55%)

    Carole Hutchins - 13 in 31 seasons (42%)

    Mike Candrea - 22 in 32 years (69%) but a huge chunk of this was pre-super regional era, they haven't made is back since 2010

    Diane Ninemire - 12 in 30 years (40%)

    Jo Evans - 3 in 21 years at A&M (14%)

    Patty Gasso - 11 in 23 years (52%)

    Connie Clark - 5 in 23 seasons (22%)

     

    I hesitate to even include Patty Gasso because what a luxury to get to play in your backyard every time you make the WCWS..... there's a reason they are 4/11 in winning the big game.

    This is a well written post, but the facts are wrong. Just for starters, Murphy did not win with a homegrown squad. He had 5 Alabama kids on that team. Most of them were bit players, and the team was led by a generational type pitcher in Jackie Traina, who is from naples Florida. Murphy was pretty good as long as Auburn had Tina Deese coaching, but once they hired Myers, Auburn immediately became the best program in the state. You can state Torina’s record at LSU all you want, but I personally know several kids who have played for her at FIU and LSU and none of them have a decent thing to say about her.

  8. Please God, someone explain why everyone is mentioning Beth Torina for this job? She is a great pitching coach, but her teams don't hit, and her on the field decisions leave a lot to be desired. Pat Murphy has won exactly one NC in 20 plus years with Alabama....and he has done that with far more talent than Connie had at Texas. Tim Walton is from the West Coast, played baseball at OU, and would most certainly listen if Texas calls. Many people in Florida will tell you that Texas is, in fact, the only school he would leave Florida for. I know about the new facilities in Gainesville, but even then, UF cannot offer the total package to him that Texas can. Florida travel ball is not very good right now, Gainesville is a dreadful place to live, and he only makes 400K per year.

  9. I sure hope Texas lands Tim Walton, because Pete D'amour is one of the young rising stars in this sport....great coach, great recruiter, and the girls love to play for him. Va Tech got a good one, and Missouri and NC State both missed out on a potential HR hire. Rumor has it that NC State is looking at Kolaitis, and that would be a great hire as well.

  10. I will be shocked at this point, if Tim Walton is not the first offer. We will see how high, salary wise, CDC is willing to go. All those who think Walton would never leave Florida are wrong. If CDC puts Patty Gasso type money on the table, Tim will have a hard time saying no. Tim Walton’s ego will not let him turn down a chance to be the savior of UT softball and the highest paid coach in the country. 

    If Im CDC, I offer something like $600K per year, with performance bonuses that could push it to a million if they win an NC.

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  11. If Texas misses on the top tier candidates,  I would be a okay with Jimmy Kolaitis. He recruited my daughter is a super guy. Well regarded as a coach, and first rate talent evaluator 

  12. It’s a chicken and egg argument. You think recruiting leads to winning and makes the coach look good, and I believe winning and a good coach lead to better players. The one place we greatly differ on is the importance a coach actually plays on the winning side of things. 

  13. Football recruiting and softball recruiting are two different animals. Recruiting in softball is very important, but winning games is what will make the kids want to come here. I will do the work for you, here is a look at the 2017 top ten classes....I think you will see a couple of familiar faces on there, that just aren't winning at the same pace as the others.

    1 UCLA 996 6 #'s: 1, 7, 19, 26, 31, 126
    2 Auburn 912 7 #'s: 5, 24, 32, 66, 83, 131, 154
    3 Florida 849 6 #'s: 10, 13, 22, 64, 78, 170
    4 Mississippi State 803 6 #'s: 4, 33, 34, 60, 129, 143
    5 Alabama 783 5 #'s: 15, 27, 39, 56, 85
    6 Arizona 781 6 #'s: 44, 48, 53, 77, 79, 124
    7 Texas 722 5 #'s: 20, 25, 36, 65, 137
    8 Oregon 711 4 #'s: 12, 18, 23, 40
    9 Missouri 704 7 #'s: 11, 38, 45, 98, 148, 178, 185
    10 Michigan 672 4

    #'s: 6, 8, 57, 61

    Auburn, new coach, great recruits....mediocre season.

    Mississippi State, same old crappy coach, great recruits....mediocre season

    Texas, see Mississippi State

    Missouri, See Auburn

    Oklahoma had a down year recruiting, but were very strong in 2016.

  14. 29 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

    Go see who normally wins national titles. It's almost always the teams with top rated recruiting classes. This is from 2016 but certainly worth a listen. 

    https://art19.com/shows/college-football-recruiting-podcast/episodes/1251d5e3-28dd-40fe-b845-fc6c34f4a6c9

    Mack won a national title because he recruited at an elite level. Very meh coach but still won a national title because recruiting matters. I'll take an elite recruiter any day over a good coach. 

     

     

    Go see who wins national titles in Softball....It's the same people that we are all saying are the best coaches. Walton, Gasso, Candrea, Myers, and Murphy. Yes they recruit well, but a lot of that good recruiting is because kids want to play for the best teams. I am not saying that recruiting is not important, but you guys are kidding yourself if you think a great in game manager doesn't make a tremendous amount of difference in the bat and ball sports....and there are a million different ways to teach a kid to hit a ball....That's why there are good hitting coaches and bad hitting coaches. Do you honestly think that all of those kids at LSU just forgot how to hit when they got to school? They didn't, but the coaching they are getting is not working, which is why they have to win every game by one run.

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  15. 36 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

    College sports are 80% recruiting and 20% coaching. 

    Biggest reason I would want Cat as the pitching coach is I have no doubt she would land big name recruits in Austin. 

    80% recruiting and 20% coaching???? Damn, guess we shouldn't have fired Mack or Charlie Strong after all....and Shaka's great classes have certainly led to tremendous success on the courts. Clint Myers showed up to a cesspool at Auburn and had them in the WCWS in year 2. He did it mostly with Tina Deese's bad recruits. Mickey Dean won at JMU with kids no one else wanted. Coaching makes a huge difference....and winning means that recruits want to play for you. I think you got your numbers backwards.

  16. 11 minutes ago, ButtFumble said:

    of course, but the example was "well bring in the head coach not the guy that actually did something"

    and if the argument is "well paterno knew and covered it up" (which all signs say he did) well myers knew his son did stuff at ASU and he still brought him in to Auburn so he looked the other way and it happened again

    I fully agree on the differences of the incidents, but the point is myers looked the other way already one time why would a place like Texas give him yet another chance even if he was not the one that actually did anything.....other than looking the other way of course and allowing another incident after ASU to happen at Auburn

    Corey was not at ASU with Clint. Corey was working in Alabama with the Birmingham Thunderbolts travel ball organization. Clint came  Auburn because they allowed him to hire his kids

  17. What cory Myers did at Auburn was bad, but an adult man banging an adult female while his old man looked the other way, is in no way close to Paterno’s sick ass covering up for a child molester for 30 years.

  18. if you are looking for a Glasco type candidate, then Pete D’amour of Kennesaw State would make sense. My personal top 5 would be

    1. Tim Walton- probably ain’t leaving Florida

    2. Glenn Moore- a good coach and knows the state

    3. Trish Ford - has been good at all stops

    4. Jimmy Kolaitis- Oregon asst is a tireless recruiter

    5. Pete D’amour - young up and comer who has built Kennesaw State really quickly.

    5b- Clint Myers - former Auburn coach left amid controversy, Del Conte would have to make sure he doesn’t bring his sons with him.

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