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Sawbonz

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  1. 1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

    That a boy, start with the negs, silence the dissenters, fuck free speech and debate. This entire thread belongs in the CR. You guys have fun, I'm out.

     

    29 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

    According to Urban Dictionary a snowflake is: “A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.”

    Remember, this conversation between me and you started by you negging me. Who is the snowflake? This thread was CR when long before I posted in it.

    Thought you were out 

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  2. 2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

    what exactly do you take exception with? it's way past time to tear down cultural norms and reform our society. perhaps we can start with what got us here in the first place - mis/disinformation. then maybe we can move on to crawling out from under the Puritanical thumb that has guided (or misguided) our cultural policy for nearly 400 years. why are you still living in the past? or better yet, why do you want to?

    You need to read guns germs and steel. That’s what got us here

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  3. On 1/23/2022 at 5:01 PM, pearlandhorn said:

    Using this logic and knowing that asymptomatic folks who are vaxxed pass this thing along to anyone they come in contact with, wouldn’t it be better if no one got vaccinated so they had symptoms and recognized that and stayed home for a week?

     

    You’re an idiot 

  4. 4 hours ago, mr. sunshine said:

    Not to knock Payton as that is in capable hands but it makes me ponder what’s the difference between quitting, stepping down, or as thread title suggests, leaving? A couple of years? More than a decade? Having to track Mack’s plane?

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  5. 9 hours ago, Frank The Tank said:

    Somehow Bob worked with Dan. I don’t know if he was actually better back then and has gotten worse or I just ignored him more because Dan and Jake or previously Donny made it good. But this iteration of HL with Bob, Corby and extra Danny is unlistenable. I immediately shut it down after WTDS. 

    That’s because corby is absolute trash. Dan was a good foil for Bob’s seriousness. Danny is now the best part of THL which is unbelievable 

  6. I think the problem many docs and other healthcare professionals have with mandates goes back to our medical ethics training and the concepts of autonomy vs paternalism and beneficence vs non maleficence I’m kind of done with this thread but y’all should read up on those concepts if you are unfamiliar 

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  7. 4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    I don't know if there have been studies that put a finer point on what seems like near random  public panic-associated testing.  Anecdotally, I can say in my experience a shit-ton more people are testing now than before, which is of course driven in part by the higher contagion of omicron.  I just don't think we have a good handle on case counts, and haven't since this thing started.  It's a very fuzzy metric.

     

    Alright, we're into semantics.  60% of 2X the normal leading cause of death is a pretty high number.  For fuck's sake.  At the current rate, covid will be #1 for 2022, over heart disease and cancer.  Yay, team!

     

    I'm arguing policy perspectives that are put forth on this thread.  That's it.

    I’m not going to get too much into it he weeds on this but I have seen no one anywhere question whether the omicron surge has resulted in multiples of the cases seen during the previous peak wave. If you have a credible link I will consider it. It matters when considering deaths, especially predicting healthcare utilization going forward

     

  8. 6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


    How about this, which I think is what Sawbonz is getting at: among the vaccinated and the very young who can’t get vaccinated, COVID will be a disease that kills at a similar rate as the flu.

    Among the unvaxxed….we can’t get them to behave rationally, so fuck em, and fuck caring about them personally or statistically. Just exclude them from policy making considerations. If they want to die, we can’t stop them, and we can’t waste any more time giving a fuck about them.

    Am I on target, Sawbonz?

    Yes although again I think the measure isn’t getting to flu levels necessarily but not overly taxing the healthcare system. Although the fewer deaths the better

  9. Just now, jimmyjazz said:

    You don't know that.

     

    WTF?  I'm sorry, I deal in numbers all day every day, and when I see something that breaches 60% of an all-time peak, I think "nearly unprecedented" is not a huge exaggeration.  Come on, these numbers are BAD.

     

    Uh, what?  We are already talking about normalizing to a bad flu season.  Well, guess what, we have zero evidence that this will ever get down to that point.  Show me the data that indicate otherwise.  It's a big fucking extrapolation, at best.

    1. Link data that refutes the case count being triple previous 

     

    2. 60% is closer to “glass half full vs glass half empty” than it is to “record high”

     

    3. I don’t recall any public health officials saying we shouldn’t open up until deaths are down to what we would see from flu. My recollection is that it has always been about stress on the healthcare system. 

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  10. 5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    IT.  DOES.  NOT.  MATTER.

    People are dying at nearly unprecedented levels.

    I am so fucking over this whole thing, soup to nuts, masks to vaccines, "social distancing", whatever the fuck people don't want to do.

    We blew it.  You're not helping.  The message is garbled, it's not driven by science, and we've suffered an unimaginable number of deaths as a result.  But sure, open it up, at a time when we are currently losing MORE Americans per day than on average due to this disease, per day.  Explain that policy.

     

    Are you quite literally high?

    I’m sorry jimmy but it does matter. Cases are triple what they were at the previous high point. That is important to consider when deaths are 60% what they were at that time. And I don’t consider 60% of peak daily deaths “near unprecedented levels” and I don’t think anyone in medicine or public health would. And I’m not sure why you think we need to get below some “average number of deaths” for a disease that comes in waves. We have just passed the biggest wave ever and everything points to future waves being smaller. Other than continuing to encourage anyone you know who is unvaxed to get vaxed what more do you think you and I can do?

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  11. 4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    To put a finer point on it, we are currently at 60% of the peak mortality rate of this pandemic.  Somebody make a better case for letting off the brakes than I've heard so far, because I think a whole bunch of people are just fatigued and no longer give a shit, which should NOT be an input into public health policy, even if it's docs saying it.  Hell no.  Bad science, bad policy.

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    Put the daily case graph next to this one

  12. 46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Like I said, case counts are not particularly reliable.  Hospitalization and deaths are the metrics we should focus on, and they aren't all that different now than they have been at the worst points in the pandemic.  Do you disagree?  

    Yes. Reported case counts underestimate total cases. Even if you assume a higher rate of testing with this surge as the only  reason for the increased case count,which I have not seen posited anywhere, the deaths are down 40%. Assuming that is not the case, the sheer number of increased reported cases dwarfs any of the previous surges.
     

    The current surge is 3x the size of the surge last January and deaths are 60% of what they were. That’s much different. And almost all are unvaccinated by choice which matters to me

     

    Edited for clarity 

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  13. 43 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    I get the observation of hospital load, and what you state isn't too different than what I've seen reported in the press, but there are apparently some regions that are being slammed.

    Case counts are primarily a function of measurement and reporting, and not necessarily disease permeation.  

    I just think it's premature to speak of "opening up" when we are currently losing more Americans per day than we have, on average, throughout the pandemic.  If messaging is so important, then let's not gloss over that hugely important point.

    Well we also currently have up to 3 times as high a spike in new cases compared to previous surges and thr death rates are below those. We are running out of people who have not been exposed, and just about everyone who wants the vax has had it

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