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Sawbonz

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  1. They specifically left recognition of the Israeli state out of their Declaration of Independence. Something Arafat said in a speech is not an official recognition 

  2. 11 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

    This is all correct and if you really listen to the Palestinians bemoan the "illegal occupation," they believe it started in 1948 and not 1967.  That's a huge difference.

    The Israeli/Palestinian issue is a lot more complex than most Americans think and there is blame to go around on both sides but at the end of the day, Israel has a right to exist and the Palestinians need to have a reason for existence other than killing jews.  Every time some minor issue pops up like cartoons or embassies, thousands of them take to the streets in armed protest.  Maybe they should get jobs instead.

    ^^^ and this is why it was the most idiotic idea to open the Jerusalem embassy on May 14

  3. Has Palestine officially recognized Israel’s right to exist?  I cannot find any official state declaration that they have. I find it pretty hypocritical to fault only Israel for not recognizing the rights of a state that refuses to recognize its right to exist. 

     

    That seems like a fairly reasonable condition of negotiating with a state that has ruling factions whose stated goals are your elimination. 

     

    https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Joint-declaration-calls-on-US-to-demand-Palestinians-recognize-Jewish-state-514479/amp

     

    this is the most recent article I could find on the matter and it states Palestine has not officially recognized Israel. Are they lying? 

  4. 2 hours ago, Orca of Peace said:

    all Arab states accepted Israel long time ago

    Do you want to explain how the quotes in my previous posts from the current and most recent past leader of Hamas demonstrate acceptance of Israel, or the AJ link by fozz that explicitly states Hamas “does not recognize state of Israel?”

  5. 24 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

    Is it your belief that the God of Abraham actually exists and promised the land they call Israel to the Jews? Unless you believe that fairy tale, there is no reason for there to be such a thing as a Jewish state, especially not on Arab land.

    There's no reason to have a Christian state either, or an Islamic state, or a Hindu state, etc. There should be a wall separating church and state. Granting citizenship to anyone in the world who practices your religion, but not to people who have lived within your borders for centuries just because they practice a different religion, is immoral. 

    I don’t believe they have a divine right to the land. The victors of ww2 gave them the land and they have had the military might to keep it. That is the reality that Hamas cannot accept. I completely agree with your second paragraph 

     

    the bolded sentence is pretty pretty ironic 

  6. 2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

    We’ve been over this twice now. 

    I know it sounds crazy but, if I were a sovereign state, and in conflict with a hostile neighboring state, I would make any negotiation with that state include an acknowledgment of my legitimacy by that state as a prerequisite to opening negotiations. I know you think ceding territory won in battle makes more sense as an opening gambit. I guess we can agree to disagree 

  7. 4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    My bad. I didn't realize Oklahoma City wasn't so bad since Tim McVeigh didn't off himself in the process.

    No doubt zealots suck. You have zionists vs jihadists. I don’t know how you get a peaceful resolution 

  8. Just now, Orca of Peace said:

    you have a very poor grasp of the issue and of reality. 

    He clearly has been hinting around at it for 2 pages now. I just want him to come out and say it

  9. 3 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

    lmao they “rightfully” won those wars. Just like we “rightfully” won North America. 

    You’re right. My great great grandparents were forcibly removed from good land in Mississippi to the Indian territories. The govt should give it back

  10. 2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

    look so now you admit you support apartheid? Or would you prefer more ethnic cleansing?

    Apartheid would mean there is one state. Are you saying you are for a one state solution?

    You aren’t suggesting that enforcing a sovereign border is apartheid are you?

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    We shall not waive an inch of the Palestinian home soil, no matter what the recent pressures are and no matter how long the occupation," Meshaal said as he revealed the document to the public after two years of work.

     

    "Hamas rejects any idea except liberating the home soil entirely and completely, although it does not necessarily mean we recognise the Zionist entity or give up any of our Palestinian rights."

    This is what he said when they released their agreement to the 67 boarders. Seems like they might not actually plan on sticking to those terms. But hey why not trust them right?

     

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