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  1. 1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

    All three of those schools are more acclaimed than Texas.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2024/04/29/the-new-ivies-as-employers-sour-on-the-super-elite-these-20-colleges-shine/?sh=47b788ed438f
     

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    The New Ivies: As Employers Sour On The Super-Elite, These 20 Colleges Shine

    The Ivy League is losing its standing as America’s producer of great talent. Here are the schools producing the hard-working high achievers that employers crave.

    For the entirety of America’s existence, the Ivy League has provided an essential service. In sorting the best and the brightest upon admission and then rigorously educating them, these “Ancient Eight” universities have provided employers, investors and even voters a meritocratic seal of approval. Some one-third of U.S. presidents and the current Forbes 400 list of richest Americans are Ivy alums, as well as eight sitting members of the Supreme Court.

    But as evident just by reading or watching the news, something feels distinctly off on Ivy League campuses. The eight colleges have faced a barrage of complaints in recent years over admissions policies that put together a class of amalgamated specialists instead well-rounded, bright students; grade inflation at top schools Harvard and Yale; and most recently, university officials’ responses to on-campus protests against the war in Gaza.

    So if the Ivies aren’t the Ivies anymore, which schools exactly are? Using an exclusive survey of hiring managers, Forbes introduces the New Ivies—the 10 public universities and 10 ascendant private ones turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types.

    Our methodology was as follows. After disqualifying the Ivies (and we used the Ivy-plus yardstick, which includes Stanford, MIT, Duke and the University of Chicago, as well as the eight classics Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn, Columbia, Dartmouth and Cornell), we started with 1,743 colleges of at least 4,000 students (understanding that small liberal arts schools have always offered a more boutique experience and are hard to compare with research universities). Using 2022 admissions data, the most recent available, we then screened for schools with high standardized test scores (our New Ivies average a robust 1482 SAT and 33 ACT) and where at least half the applicants supplied the scores, regardless of whether they were required to do so for admission—in other words, places that still rely heavily on objective measures of success.

    We also screened with a selectivity yardstick (below a 20% admission rate at private schools, 50% at publics). And then from there, we took the 32 remaining schools and surveyed our hiring manager respondents about each one.

    Many of the schools on our list are well known; Johns Hopkins and University of Michigan have long been considered Ivy caliber institutions, while Vanderbilt, Rice and Emory are often referred to as Southern Ivies. Others like New York’s Binghamton University are already respected in their geographic areas, but now are attracting wider notice.

    Data Research: Rina Torchinsky

    THE PUBLIC IVIES

    ・Binghamton University (New York)

    ・Georgia Institute of Technology

    ・University of Florida

    ・University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

    ・University of Maryland-College Park

    ・University of Michigan-Ann Arbor

    ・University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill

    ・University of Texas-Austin

    ・University of Virginia

    ・University of Wisconsin-Madison

    These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees. (Military academies were not included in our analysis. California universities were excluded because they don’t consider test scores.)

    THE NEW PRIVATE IVIES

    ・Boston College (Massachusetts)

    ・Carnegie Mellon University (Pennsylvania)

    ・Emory University (Georgia)

    ・Georgetown University (Washington, DC)

    ・Johns Hopkins University (Maryland)

    ・Northwestern University (Illinois)

    ・Rice University (Texas)

    ・University of Notre Dame (Indiana)

    ・University of Southern California

    ・Vanderbilt University (Tennessee)

    These 10 private schools, located in nine states and Washington D.C., are attracting the smartest students and plaudits from employers. Our analysis excluded schools with fewer than 4,000 students, the eight old Ivies and four Ivy-plus schools—Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago.

    Let’s not act like they are they are that much “more acclaimed” please.

  2. 47 minutes ago, msucolt45 said:

    I’d replace Notre Dame with the other two Indiana schools in a heartbeat, because we’re talking only football. Other B10 schools that were recently added, like Rutgers and Maryland would be gone.

    SEC for football only would drop about 3-5 of the non revenue generating schools. Yes - it’ll be the haves vs the have nots, and more like the NFL, as that’s what TV/media wants - big $$$.

    Hook’em!!!

    Are we talking only football? How would that work exactly? We’ve never done a football only league.

    Let’s say the SEC drops Kentucky, Vandy, South Carolina, and MSU from football but still want to play with them in basketball/baseball? Football drives the money here, so you’re going to cut $20 million from their budgets but have them compete against you in all sports?

    Say you’re the Big 12 or ACC and you take these schools for football, are you then going to allow Kentucky basketball to play SEC basketball and not Big 12/ACC basketball? So the Big12/ACC will be funding the majority of Kentucky’s athletic department but not get the benefit of their most valuable program?

    It sounds great in theory, but practically speaking it’s a logistical land mine. Does the Big 12 let Utah and Arizona not play basketball and non revenue sports with them and rejoin UCLA/USC in a non fb PAC12 league? Not an easy web to unweave.

  3. 3 hours ago, nnm said:

    As a former TCU fan, the “week in, week out” grind is the talking point that is the most idiotic. Since their renaissance in the early 2000s, TCU heard that every year. And they had success in every conference, up to and including a win in the CFP.

    Okay, I’m all for shitting on aggy but I can’t let this TCU bullshit pass either.

    TCU was in the MWC for 7 seasons and had 6 season with 10+ wins.

    In the MWC TCU basically had a 4 game season where even those teams typically weren’t as good as the top end of the Big 12.

    TCU has been in the Big 12 for 12 season and has had 4 season with 10+ wins. The grind difference between the MWC and the Big 12 is real.

    Now they’ve had success obviously, but they no longer get those easy gimme games against UNLV and New Mexico built into their schedule. They now build their program in cycles and waves (which is a wise strategy) to compete with the more difficult grind.

    There is a major difference between the Big 12 and the SEC, FULL STOP. While both conferences are full of quality teams the top of the SEC is significantly better. That means, yes, the SEC is more difficult, but does NOT mean Mississippi State/Arkansas are better than Iowa State/Kansas. That the stupid argument aggy has been claiming for a decade+ which is dumb.

    The difference for Texas will be adjusting to playing more games like Georgia, Alabama, and LSU in the middle of their conference slate, not playing more teams like Kentucky. I’d argue that those more mundane game might even be easier than the Big 12 because those teams have to play more than two big time games a year so they can’t go all out jihad against us like the Big 12 did (with the obvious exception of aggy and Arkansas).

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  4. 2 hours ago, msucolt45 said:

    There are a vast amount of Remora fish (suckers) that ride on the “sharks” in each conference. Until that ship is righted, which I truly think is what TV/media wants, we’ll continue to have the schools claiming that they have conference legacy. Their claim to still be invited to the adult table is about to end.

    IMO - we’re looking at a special league of about 48 teams, for football only, and they will get all the TV money. Maybe prior to 2035?

    Hook’em!!!

    The big leagues need suckers too unless you want to get beat the hell up all year just to lose in the playoffs. But still, could you cut a few schools a replace with better ones?…absolutely.

    Mississippi State is the 3rd smallest state in the P4 (behind Neb & WV) and is the #2 school in the state with the worst academics in the conference that isn’t on anybody’s travel wish list. The only thing they bring is a mid level rivalry with Ole Miss, a solid baseball program and a moderate sized football stadium that still only beats out a basketball school and a private school (I could make a similar post about Purdue in the Big Ten).

    So let’s cut MSU (won’t happen but let say we can) you don’t want to replace them with FSU/Clemson. Already 50% of the conference has won a national title in the BCS/CFP era. The Big Ten and ACC are only at 17%, the Big 12 is at 0%. Those two only make sense if you expand to 20. FSU/Clemson solidify your base and shut out competition, while you also expand with a pair of lesser schools as well.

    For a single addition you want a school that will bring new fans/eyeballs to the conference, potentially new markets for advertisers and recruiting, and other benefits like quality basketball, baseball, academics, or travel destinations for fans that also is contiguous to the current conference footprint.

    That really only leaves 2 options. #1 North Carolina (or if they go North with the B1G, NCSU), and #2 Kansas.

    Both have great basketball and as a result good sized fans bases despite lackluster football. Rivalry history with existing members, are good (not great) travel destinations in newish markets that grow the conference footprint, and both have unique color schemes and mascots (please no more red/near red colors or tigers in the SEC) and would slot somewhere into the lower half of the SEC hierarchy. While nobody would celebrate their addition to the football schedule but they would not morn the loss of MSU either and basketball would get a major boost.

  5. 57 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Not even sure how to respond to this, other than to say...why do you think some of us wanted to leave to join the PAC-10 or Big 10 back in the day?  I haven't seen anyone here claim that the Big 12 was a dream academic conference.

    As for conferences being about sports...duh but guess what...most of us didn't play sports (I mean, I was on the power lifting team at UT, but I don't think that counts since it's not a scholarship sport), we played school, so we like to be associated with other top schools.  

    If you want to join the Big Ten then I have no respect for you. I was on board with the PAC16 but now over the years watching them go down the drain, it 100% clear that joining the SEC was the right move.

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  6. 2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

    We've proven we can win the NC in any conference; we don't need the SEC to play good football.  

    On the flip side, name a good academic institution in the SEC aside from Vandy?  Maybe Florida?

    And the best academic institutions in the Big 12 were? Kansas and ???? This argument was always dumb. Oklahoma was solidly in the top 5 in the 14 team Big 12, they might barely be top 10 in the 16 team SEC.

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  7. 4 minutes ago, hornian said:

    If you pay me half of what the Foundation charges for parking, I'll let you in on a parking lot that is less expensive and closer than the Trinity Garage that you can pay to park on gamedays. 

     

    Or just park and get in a nice walk for free, you could also flag down a pedicab for $10 and it would still be cheaper.

  8. 4 minutes ago, AP101S said:

    https://www.texasexes.org/about-us/history-and-traditions/truth-about-bevo

    tl;dr - The mascot was named Bevo before the 13 - 0 branding. The brand was never changed from 13 - 0 to BEVO. Texas A&M did not steal the mascot.

    Yes we know it’s literally in the wiki article I posted (I didn’t quote the whole thing) it’s also why I said this…

    1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

    You don’t know enough of the aggy bullshit lore and fairytales.

    Just was explaining why aggy put 13-0 on the dumb mascot.

  9. 1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

    Racist speech, so long as it doesn't call for violence or make specific threats of violence to individuals and the like - abhorrent as it is - is generally going to be protected speech as well.  To be clear, antisemitic speech, so long as it remains non-violent in its messaging, is legal.  I hate it.  I don't agree with it.  But for the 1,000th time, we don't get to ban speech just because we don't agree with it and find it loathsome.

    I didn’t argue that it wasn’t protected speech, only that I find this statement factually incorrect.

    “but there is nothing antisemitic about being against Israel, shouting at Jewish students, or even wanting to destroy Israel. “
     

    Like you said racist speech is protected but it’s still racist.

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  10. 21 minutes ago, EastTexan said:

    Oh I know their bull shit. 

    One popular theory is that Cadets from Texas A&M stole the mascot to brand 13 – 0, which was the score the Aggies had won by the year before. Faced with that dilemma some UT student suggested combining the 1 and 3 to create a B, made an E out of the -, added a V, kept the 0 to create BEVO.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevo_(mascot)

  11. 13 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

    the pro-Pals should not hinder movement of anyone, into buildings or grass fields, but there is nothing antisemitic about being against Israel, shouting at Jewish students, or even wanting to destroy Israel

    I agree with this first part but you lose me here. If a white guys is yelling at only black people it is racist same would go for anyone targeting Jews. “Destroy Israel” yeah that doesn’t come off as antisemitic at all…

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  12. 27 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

    Canons of construction are that terms are construed against the drafter.  If a construction could permit the use of tents on campus prior to 10 pm then it's against the rules.

    So I can buy a rocket launcher then? I love this rule.

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  13. 3 hours ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

    Are they going to claim the guys that transferred?  
    “Sheeeewt we’re count ‘em cuz jimbos the one that scouted and identified all the talent”

    I saw multiple SEC fans doing that yesterday claiming Texas only got 11 because 3 of them were transfers. Loser mentality.

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  14. 13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    Because it wouldn’t be for just football they’d bring basketball and baseball too. 

    Bingo.

    If we assume it’s the Big Ten, SEC, and Big12 in a 3x24 setup with the ACC falling apart you’d have 22 spots in total maximum. That would be enough to take the new ACC+ND+PAC2+2 more like UConn/Memphis.

    That clearly won’t happen because it’s just diluting the product. I don’t see the SEC going past 20 and I doubt the Big Ten does either though they are more likely open to it than the SEC.

    My feeling is that we’ll see the Big Ten hold until they can get ND and then maybe Stanford, while the SEC will take FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVA when the opportunity arises.

    Then the Big 12 will take the top remaining 8 from the ACC. Miami, VT, NCSU, Pitt, Louisville, and Duke are sure things. The final 2 could be Syracuse and GT but I could see passing on GT (markets not as big of a deal anymore) and letting Yormark make a signature move on UConn (they did just win another).

    That lineup would be pretty salty with Miami, Oklahoma St, TCU, Utah, VT, K State and Pitt headlining the football side Duke, Kansas, UConn, Louisville, Baylor, Syracuse, and Houston headlining the basketball side, both with plenty of depth in between with teams like NCSU, West Virginia, Iowa St, BYU, Cincy, TX Tech, and Colorado.

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