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  1. 22 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    It’s weird that Trump doesn’t go after Bernie like he does Warren, assuming Bernie is a legitimate threat, which I think he is. 

    He thinks calling him a socialist will work. And for the dumbasses, it will. 

  2. 2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    Is Carter fucking Page really the set of facts that you think best makes the case for strictly scrutinizing the FISA system?

    Yes - since we have little to no access to FISA records in other cases; he is unpopular (despite being an FBI/CIA asset); and the potential for political abuse of the system requires a bright line. 

  3. 16 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

    Nipsey was shot, but it is still part of an unfortunate pattern of rappers dying young. Nipsey was different though. Great in the community. He encouraged kids to stay out of the life that got him to where he was at (part of the rollin’ 60s crips from like age 14). 

    Good to know - gives me another connection into my son's world, which is always helpful.

    I listened to a lot of Juice WRLD because of my son. His Lucid Dreams is one of the saddest songs I have ever heard. It made me worried when my kid broke up with his high school girlfriend. Those can be deep wounds. 

  4. 3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

     

    Just to stop and refute these points real quick - the basis that anastasia and anastasis washparkhorn are claiming that this is FISA abuse is that it was politically motivated. At least that's the read I'm getting since they keep claiming that their defense isn't partisan - BUT - it could totally happen to the next dem president (wink wink). 

     

    Full stop. Strawman argument. Idoicy in the lexicon of the days before this Captainasshat. 

    Political motivation or not is irrelevant. They lied to a court by omission. A court with extreme powers given to it under the assumption the FBI and Justice would never shade the truth. That is the corrupt misconduct. 

    Whether they hated Trump or not is irrelevant to the their actions. 

    My worry about this comes from backing a candidate in 2020 who will be at odds with the neoliberal establishment that pervades both parties. If he is elected or becomes the nominee, TPTB will fight him tooth and nail. 

    Stop with the straw man arguments. 

  5. Brisket - I don't discount the importance of what you see. Not in the least.

    We have systematically sold this nation off to the highest bidder. We treat citizens and non-citizens as guilty first. The hollowing out of the middle and working classes goes on at breakneck speed, while the consultant class continues to earn their keep by eliminating work in the name of efficiency. This process began a long time ago, as you know. And with 9/11 and the resulting Patriot Act, we weaponized the intelligence agencies against citizens and non-citizens. We are now at a point where one of the curtains has dropped and we see full well the power we gave away to the Congress and the President with the Patriot Act. That was no small piece of power given away. And by limiting what courts can see in response to these emergencies, we have neutered the Judiciary - a bulwark against both tyranny of the majority and minority rule. 

    In less than a year, the current occupant of the White House will face an electorate that should be fully aware of his actions. And since corruption is the underlying allegation against his rule, those asking for the same power he has must have clean hands. We don't need another meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Civil Libertarians on all sides have rightfully criticized the President for his abuses. If the process of investigating him turned out abuse by those entrusted with to uphold the rule of law, they need to be called out and actions are needed to prevent them repeating those actions. That does not immunize the President from his wrongdoing; it strengthens the case against him when all sides call out illegal behavior regardless of party affiliation. It is an equitable solution we seek, so clean hands are required to prosecute that case. 

    As for the rest of the rot, Congress has given most of their power to the Executive Branch. The Chevron doctrine needs to go, or Congress needs to reassume its authority over law making. And when the Executive steps out of line - as it did with its FISA court filings - swift punishment must follow.

    Finally, for those selling out governmental power to the highest bidder, this must stop. Business as usual does not work anymore. They will need to earn their money the old fashioned way - follow the law and build something. 

  6. 24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

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    There is literally a DOA impeachment proceeding going on right now about [checks notes] THIS EXACT FUCKING ISSUE.

    Stop it.  Just stop.  You have to be doing a bit.

    Not following. The impeachment is not about the FBI/Justice Department investigation through a FISA Court, is it?  

  7. 9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Mr. "Rule of Law" is advocating that we ignore the laws and let the people decide.

    We wouldn't want the people to decide if there needs to be FISA reform. FFS, lean in and work in all areas to improve this nation. Especially when your solution is guaranteed to fail. Make the argument, but broaden the lines of attack. If it helps shape the electorate, more power to you. But we don't them to be lulled into thinking a conviction will occur. It's won't. Best to have multiple fronts, no?

    And, btw, the Senate, the Judiciary, and the Electoral College are some of the bulwarks put in place to guard against the "Tyranny of the Majority." 

  8. Just now, Brothahorn said:

    So you just gone blatantly disrespect Casino Jizzle? Be lucky he dead or you would have problems.

    My son reminded me that Nipsey must be added to that list as well. 

  9. 5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

    There's something else that this would apply to also.  Something really prescient.  I can't quite put my finger on it though.

    Focus, please. Not all issues are partisan or about the current occupant of the White House. 

     

  10. 9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    One should probably question the point of the NYT piece as well. 

    Point of order:  I am a NYT subscriber.  (Digital only, no crossword or food, in case anyone doubts my motives.)

    I think the point was we have long had concerns about the secrecy of the FISA process and how much it depended on honesty to the FISA court. Regardless of Page, the findings raise doubts whether others (e.g., Muslims) caught up in FISA have been treated fairly. That is a big issue that goes to the foundation of this nation. When the Patriot Act passed, there were warnings this would happen and denials that it ever could happen. Well it did. So time to start over. 

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  11. 2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

    The only FISA "reform" any Republicans will ever approve of is to leave current rules in place and just replace everyone in federal law enforcement with personnel who will only investigate brown people.

    And 2020 can change that equation.

  12. 4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    You're nearly two decades late to being worried about that my dude. It's funny though how all the trump supporters only started caring about this as an issue once it affected their god-emperor.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. 

  13. 4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    The House just reauthorized the Patriot Act. There will not be any serious consequences or reforms. 

    Say a prayer for the average Joe Schmos caught up in FISA. I hope the election of 2020 makes it more of a priority to revamp the process to ensure equal protection and due process. 

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