Posts posted by thunderlounge
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1 hour ago, Felix said:
The base defense of pussies everywhere. The fucking military doesn't even believe this. If your fear gets to be the deciding factor in taking someones life, then there are no rules. I don't get how you guys can't see that?
I'm not debating the morality here, just saying how the laws around this work. You may not like that, but it doesn't make it less so. Had the guy not stopped and got out of his car, we wouldn't have had a video of anything at all. Also, the military rules of engagement are a completely different concept entirely, and are not relatable to civilian self defense.
This isn't the wild west. You can't just say, "It's comin right for us!" and go blasting away. There are lawful considerations which must be accounted for in order for it to be lawful self defense, and they vary by state, but most are similar and being in immediate danger of death or sever bodily harm is just one of those parts. I've never seen any self defense laws which require using a defensive response that is "equal or less" in strength than the attack.
Whether that is morally right or wrong is a completely different discussion for other places.
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1 hour ago, Felix said:
I don't give a fuck what the "law" says in this situation. That's murder. Guy who got killed was a dumbass, but that doesn't mean he should die. I'm not opposed to defending yourself or your home and property, but what happened to us that we find it ok to shoot an unarmed man in a situation were we could have just driven away? Fuck that.
No, that isn't murder. You may not like it, but you have a guy stop in the middle of the road, get out and start yelling in your window. Up to that point, there is no "threat". Once he crosses that line and starts to attack through the window, the rules change.
That truck had nowhere to go. Blocked in front by the asshole who got out, blocked behind by the guy filming, and traffic had stopped on the other side.
There is no rule saying you must use equal force. If you feel in fear of your life or serious bodily harm, you have the right to defend yourself. The guy in the truck had no idea what the guy was capable of, but he was obviously off his rocker to stop and get out like that in the middle of the road. So now he's gonna start an attack, and who knows if he's mental or what he's going to do.
It's not a pretty situation, and the guy should have never got out the car to begin with, but it was not murder. Had he not crossed the line and started an attack through the window, it's a different case.
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