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Posts posted by closetojumping
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1 hour ago, Ty Webb said:FIFY.
The thing about Mangino that gets lost in all of the humor over the years about his morbid obesity and everything around that is that the guy was an unbelievable OL coach. He was also an amazing evaluator of talent. Kind of a rotund savant.
I know he's allegedly a major asshole, but I've always kind of hoped that Sarkisian would hire him as an analyst to evaluate OL recruits, opposing DLs, our own OL efficiencies/deficiencies, and offer up red zone input.
I don't care how expensive his wish list would be. If the guy wants to be compensated in Japanese wagyu gravy and ruby port by the gallon, then we step up and do so. If he needs a towel boy to wipe his ass 4 times a day, Max Merrill needs a gig. If he's defiling Bellmont restrooms twice weekly, have a fucking plumbling crew on standby. This needs to happen.
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1 hour ago, graemakin said:
Whatever dude. At least you bothered to chime in with some knowledge this time instead of just dismissing someone's comments as being irrelevant. Well done. 👌
My original response included knowledge. You simply don't understand the context of it, clearly. Your comments weren't irrelevant, they were simply wrong.
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10 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:
Gerry and a quite a few people seem to be under the impression that the house case and revenue sharing means that there is “salary cap” on how much a school can spend. Gerry believes that some schools will go back to under the table bags.
If Gerry really believes that there will be a salary cap, he's out of his gourd.
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1 hour ago, graemakin said:
The fact that it's been reported that Texas is circling back around to Lattimer for an official visit in June, Crowell has been said to be a Bama lean per Gerry and there's been little movemnt with Cooper up til now for an unofficial visit. But okay keep on keeping on bub. 😉
I'm not your bub, guy.
You know what Gerry also says? "It's all going to come down to NIL with most of these guys these days, anyway."
Cooper is on campus this weekend with his mom and stepdad. They're not doing that because they think Austin is simply a wonderful place to visit in April.
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3 minutes ago, DigDug said:
We're going to need all the Korn and Limp Bizkit fans to make themselves known so we can keep an eye on all of you.
You're suspect
N Together Now and Rollin' are both awesome, and I don't give a shit how many of you milquetoast haters think otherwise. Now, Korn? I couldn't name a song from their catalog.
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3 minutes ago, statsman said:Yeah, I never understood the love for Burke. I figured him to be their “Neyor”- a key pickup, if healthy, who is just a sunk cost you absorb if unhealthy.
Marvin Jones Jr. is on his third team at OU. Crazy.
What OU is doing this year, hitting the portal hard for key positions and shuffling in dozens of new portal-ins from FCS (the “There is so much horseshit here that there must be a pony in there somewhere” theory of roster construction) is very reminiscent of Stoops year 1. That it is actually Venables year 4 is hilarious.It's an interesting comparison. I'm not in agreement with you on it, but it's not a bad notion. To me, a big difference is the level of evaluation talent on the two staffs. Look back at that Stoops staff, year 1:
-HC Bob Stoops - at the top of the defensive coaching ranks, trends and minds of that era, fresh out of a mentorship under Spurrier, preceded by one with Snyder.
-OC Mike Leach - at the top of the offensive coaching ranks, trends and minds of that era, fresh out of a mentorship under Hal Mumme.
-Co-DC Mike Stoops - had coached under Snyder for years, played under Hayden Fry. This is pre-burnout, hungry and focused, 37 YO Mike Stoops.
-Co-DC Brent Venables - 28 YO, mentored under Snyder for 6 years after playing his way up through JUCO and then to KSU.
-DE Coach Bobby Jack Wright - this dude was hired for connections in Texas and throughout the small high school world and juco hinterlands, not as an evaluator. He opened the door to so much random tape that most schools were ignoring that it isn't even funny. He was the guy that connected them to Snow College and Heupel, if memory serves. Even the worst coach on the staff was invaluable for their original set-up.
-TE/ST Coach Jonathan Hayes - long time NFL TE and played with Stoops under Fry at Iowa. Coaches for 15 years in the NFL after 3 years at OU.
-RB Coach Cale Gundy - dude evaluated and recruited some legends at RB for OU, and then did the same at WR coach. Evaluated and recruited Quintin Griffin, who was a midget that big schools ignored.
-WR Coach Steve Spurrier JR - mentored under his father for all of his early life. 28 YO and hungry.
-OL Coach Mark Mangino - multi-year OL coach under Snyder, his mentor.
-DL Coach Jackie Shipp - Coached all over the country in various programs learning the ropes for a decade before being called home by Stoops.
That group was young, energetic, and educated. Some of those guys became famous evaluators of talent. Their classes were almost always under-ranked in the early days. What they did heading into 1999 and then again in 2000, without a portal and not utilizing bags effectively, remains impressive. I can't even imagine what they would have done with the portal and some NIL money. Ugly.
Now compare that to the trash heap currently comprising the OU staff under Venables. You keep the time machine, I'm fine here in 2025. Jay Valai, Demarco Murray, Joe Jon Finley, etc.
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Sanders is like Anthony Richardson when he was coming out. He looks like a laughably obvious bust. I said it about Richardson at the time and I'm saying it about Sanders now. I know that does not make me unique, just part of a camp that's done both, but it's not nearly as big of a camp as I figured it would be, honestly.
I also like how Cam Ward feigned entering the NFL last year, got a mediocre grade and then went to Miami. Now he's going to be the 1st overall pick? Okay, then. I watched him play like a fucking idiot in multiple games. I never thought he looked like a 1st round pick or anything close to that. I'm interested in observing how truly wrong I am, I guess.
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21 minutes ago, texifornia said:
Man, that is just not a frightening group of players.
I follow OU football. Without looking it up, I cannot remember who “RSJ” is. It’s a grim list.
On their sites, they seem to be singing in unison that Burks got high 6 figures/low 7 figures. That’s insane. He quit on them last year and he wasn’t some worldbeater when he played. They love him because he beat their own defense’s ass in the spring.
R Mason Thomas can fuck up an FCS team. He can really get after a G5 team on the schedule.
Marvin Jones JR is a JAG who has now made over a million dollars due to his parents being smart with how they named him and lazy recruiting ranking evaluations.
They have like 10 guys on their roster that I would trade someone for, and even those guys don’t look like they’re getting developed.
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1 hour ago, graemakin said:Texas getting neither. Gonna be Edwards and Lattimer for this class.
Your certitude is lacking in foundation, distracting and lazy. If Texas truly decides they have to have one of those guys, they’re getting one of those guys. Some of you guys have learned nothing.
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47 minutes ago, Newy25 said:
OU will have much better QB play next year.We’ll see. Mateer was dogshit against top 60-ish defenses last year. He’s going to face a bunch of those this year. Same for his OC.
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1 hour ago, CycleTex87 said:
How many two sport athletes ever chose baseball as their sport rather than football? Name me some because I can't really think of any high profile potential football players that opted for baseball. I may just be talking out of my ass but seems like football appeals more to the young ego driven athlete. I get that baseball is safer long term, but the immediate sex appeal of playing a high profile role on Saturdays and Sundays trumps the longer road to make it in baseball. You really can't know which sport is more lucrative, because you can only choose one, and go down that path. Bo Jackson notwithstanding.
Darnell McDonald, Chip Ambres, Quan Cosby, etc., etc.
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2 minutes ago, victory88 said:
Man, I’m seeing big Cam get mocked in the 5th. When he entered there were guys saying he could be a 1st round pick and probably 2nd round. Dude should have come back.
It seems kind of obvious in hindsight. I didn’t feel like he was a 1st round lock, but assumed 3rd round would be the floor. Thinking about it, how much film is out there on the guy and how much is positive? He committed a ton of penalties, he whiffed on assignments regularly, he was hurt and ended up coming across as out of shape, in part due to injury.
He would have gotten a comparable pay deal in 2025 had he come back versus being a 5th or 6th round pick. I think he could be a steal there, given how inexperienced he is. If he keeps ratcheting up the learning curve and hones his body into better shape, he could play for a decade+. Unlike people fading Banks, I do understand why folks are moving Williams down.
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2 minutes ago, Iceman said:
He overplayed his hand, most likely upon advice from his immediate circle of advisors/ Dad/ Uncle. This is after the alleged bullshit he pulled late last season with Tennessee. I'm all about the players getting what they can get, but you don't get to play the sympathy card either. STFU. That's what the money is for.
To build on this and to remind from further up thread - we discussed this guy contemporaneously during his recruitment as a fucking mercenary that most programs wanted no part of once they dug into to his details. He checked all kinds of red flags - multiple HS’s, talked about money first, had a helicopter dad, didn’t make multiple progressions on film, known as a “me first” guy in recruiting circles.
The dude is not a “kid”. He’ll play as a 21 year old this year. He was directly involved with this whole debacle. He thinks he’s way fucking better than he is. He’s as likely to be a flame-out cancer in the locker room at UCLA as he is a productive starter. He’s not a victim.
I’m going to enjoy actively cheering for him to flop at UCLA.
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45 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:
Neuheisel was just making a point on Full Ride that I thought was poignant. We criticize kids like Nico for being a mercenary. But 70% of the transfers are the schools recruiting a player who they think is better than the player they have, essentially telling them to either take a back seat or transfer. These kids are often forced into the portal. Certainly not in Nico’s situation, but it definitely works both ways.
Neuheisel’s full of shit on the one. Most guys entering the portal think they can make more elsewhere or are just doing what players have done for over a century - trying to find a sweeter depth chart for PT.
Guys have been trapdoored for forever and a day. Guys haven’t been constantly asking for raises or putting a gun to the head of a program for more money each semester for over a century. That shit is new, it is built for mercenary exploitation and the players and their camps are the cause of it.
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4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:
...opening the door for an arky to buy the team, fire the Longhorn legend at coach, trade Herschel Walker for an entire multi-Super Bowl winning team, then fire THAT coach in favor of He Who Must Not Be Named, win another SB out of sheer momentum, and... well, that's the last time the Cowboys were really relevant.
fuck Jerry Jones
I don’t get all of the hate for Jerry Jones around here. I fucking love that guy and I hope he lives forever.
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15 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:
Soreness is caused by something, whether inflammation, a tear, or whatever.
You don't just leave a game with soreness as a pitcher and return in any reasonable amount of time. Whatever is causing the soreness has to be solved, whether by extended rest or surgery.
We have a month until Hoover and 5 weeks before a regional. In the absolute best scenario (no structural damage), he probably isn't picking up a baseball for at least 2-3 weeks, then has to ramp back up to be ready to pitch in a game. That still puts a return this season very much in jeopardy.
The fact that they are getting additional testing tells me it probably will not be a 'Rest for 2-3 weeks' type of injury.
Sometimes pitchers just get dead arm for a bit. Nothing’s torn, but they’ve just pushed their body beyond its point of tolerance. In that kind of a case, dude’s have been out of 2-6 weeks and then can magically pitch again. Not always, but it happens.
Not saying that’s the case here, but you don’t need a battery of tests to identify a torn UCL or rotator cuff. Maybe there’s a a small blood clot issue or something. It’s odd that they’re going in for further examination if it’s already known to be something legitimately structural.
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2 hours ago, Fud said:
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here, but I've heard several major draft analysts talk about how A&M bulked Scourton up to the point that he looked fat and made him much less effective. He's since shed the weight for the draft process and reportedly now looks much better running around
Texas and other schools should use this as negative recruiting for edge prospects
They talk about and so did LZ, apparently. I know we’ve all had a good laugh at what Elko and that old ass S&C rube are doing, but it really is unbelievable. They want an overweight roster, I guess to fit the image of their head coach.
41 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:Definitely possible. There are a number of freak athlete DEs who just weren’t good at football, but his biggest issue is poor hand usage, which is by far the most coachable aspect of pass rush. When you watch his film, it’s all just long arm rush with no counter or ability to disengage, and his hand usage is absolutely terrible. Similar dynamic with them bulling Scourton up way too much to the point his pass rushing opportunities became much worse.
He hasn’t been developed well at all, and Elko’s system limits his true pass rushing opportunities significantly. It doesn’t appear their coaching staff prioritizes DE pass rush in their coaching or scheme.
What’s headscratching in all of this is why they insist on getting involved with, and paying top dollar for, pass rushers. There has to be some delusion in there somewhere.
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31 minutes ago, statsman said:
I am now reading that the reduced contract was instituted before Nagy, under the Venables regime, and that Nagy cleaned the mess up, realizing what a black eye this is.
A couple of comments- NIL has verbs few rules, but one rule that exists is that it can’t be performance-based, yet that is exactly what OU gave Stone initially.
For all the complaints the Sooners had about other teams tampering with their roster- Nagy absolutely tampered with the RB, Ott, before the portal opened, and they are all fine operating that way. Ethics, in Soonerland, are situational, as they always have been.
it is almost 20 years since the Sooner Big Red Auto scandal. Stoops got a lot of mileage out of kicking his starting QB, Bomar, and his backup OL off the team as a consequence of getting paid for little work. It never gets mentioned that AD Peterson and his father were also getting (bigger) pay for no work from Big Red, and there were no consequences for them. The truth is- they were kind of ready to move on from Bomar,or at least, they weren’t ready to go to the mat with the NCAA over him.The same people saying that the Stone deal was screwed up before Nagy are the same ones who were claiming a few days ago that this was all intentional and that Nagy was fine with him leaving.
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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:
That took long to find
The 2024 NFL Draft was considered deep, particularly at certain positions like defensive tackle, edge rushers, and wide receiver. While quarterbacks were also a focus, some analysts felt the top of the quarterback class wasn't as strong as in previous years.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024-nfl-draft-class-among-best-ever
Like I said 2024 was a deep draft class. I did not think that was controversial , but there is always someone.
I know this kind of thing is hard for you to gather, but the conversation was around 1st round grades and how it’s a take every year that there is a shortage of them. You misread that as an invitation to tell us about overall draft classes. Some are deeper than others? Really? Wow.
No one asked you to find anything. There is always someone, and that someone here is you. Utterly oblivious but never in doubt.
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28 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
Last year they talked about the depth of the draft. Perhaps we are seeing the Covid effect come to an end and transitioning back to normal cycles
Last year they whined about the lack of first round grades, as always. What in the fuck are you talking about?
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5 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:
He'll be done with baseball by June 23rd. Plenty of time for summer camp to start.
Given that Texas is loaded at safety, I’m going to be really surprised if Williams is in store for much PT this fall outside of special teams. I guess if Filsaime just doesn’t come along and they have a rash of injuries, things could change.
Seems like he should be just fine playing baseball through the CWS finals.
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7 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:
Not to be a party pooper, but it’s probably the guy with 9 ABs that’s going back to the bench when Belyeu returns
Did you watch the games, or are you doing that thing you do with recruiting sometimes where you stared at the stats long enough for them to tell you how to feel?
Some guys have it. Maybe JW turns out to be UT’s version of Gregg Jeffries or Carlos Hernandez or something, but in the first two games I’ve seen of the guy, his talent pops on the tv screen.
We can decry small sample size, but the guy was planning on signing as a top 10 round pick in this upcoming draft until he had one really bad showcase camp last summer, thankfully for us. His raw tools as a HS sophomore and junior were viewed as elite.
That and $5 might get you a cup of coffee these days, given how MLB is viewing HS talent, but it’s also enough to tell us that, maybe, wait for it now … good college coaching might develop that elite talent into a quality college starter or better.
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Are you a Titans fan or something?
Joe Burrow and Cam Ward have almost nothing in common. I find that comparison comical. Do you think that Ward has a lightning quick release, is a witch at going through progressions in the pocket and wields a fucking cannon? I don't see any of that.
Daniels is also a guy that can see all the layers of a defense and limited mistakes in the passing game. The dude went 57/7 in his last two years throwing the ball while rushing for over 2,000 yards. Ward threw 7 INTs this season and was not a rushing threat out of the backfield. On top of that, Ward is shorter, with smaller arms, and tiny hands. They're both black QBs, and that's where I see the similarities ending.
Tyler Shough had his only healthy season last year in a pass happy offense and a shitty conference. The fact that he's being mentioned as legitimate draft pick in this cycle is laughable. Who gives a shit what he'd do in someone else's offense?
Miami got out of several games through rigged officiating and should have easily been two losses worse last season. They played in a miserable conference and still didn't make the playoffs. The "Cam Ward is a leader of men" narrative has the ACC doing a lot of work for it.