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  1. 13 hours ago, royiv said:

    Because BYU is a pain in the ass to schedule around

    Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    they have an inflated sense of their value, they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members and there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university. It's like bringing Liberty University into your conference.

    We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members

    Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university

    We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

    You seem bitter about something lol.

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  2. 3 hours ago, locodos said:

    Better farming than sitting in that sunblasted hell hole at noon.  I can only imagine what those metal bleachers would feel like.

    Went to a game at Florida State in early September once and was sitting on those metal bleachers. Felt like I was sitting in one of those metallic sun cookers. 🥵

  3. 4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    By this list several Ivy League schools, North Dakota State, Mount Union, St. Johns, Grambling, Wittenberg, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Linfield, Pittsburg State, and more are in the top 50 programs. Not a single remaining B12 school is on that list except WVU, btw.

    4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    Boise State, Princeton, Yale, Syracuse, and Illinois are on the list of top 30 programs. 

    4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    Congrats to the dozens of teams that won a lot of games in the early 1900s and are now meaningless in college football.

    Your lists are irrelevant. 🤡

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  4. 10 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

    They have a factory that makes magic underwear which is what people in Utah rely on instead of a hospital. 

    Good one...

    Just FYI the current president of the LDS Church is a former heart surgeon that was a pioneer in his field, was a director of the American Board of Thoracic Surgery, and was offered the job as head of the dept of thoracic surgery at the University of Chicago, but turned it down. 

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  5. 1 hour ago, camel at sea said:

    It was always implied that BYU overplayed its negotiation hand with the Big 12 and it's hard to believe that the Sunday thing was a dealbreaker by itself because it's a pretty easy workaround.  Maybe somebody with a better memory of that than me can say what happened.  Either way, everything was a lot smoother between both sides a decade later.  

    I think that's hearsay. I've never seen more than rumor/conjecture on this during the fog of realignment war. The only other thing I can think of where we may have asked for some unique handling is BYUtv.  But if anything, I would think that BYUtv would be an asset. In the WCC, we broadcast mens and womens tournament games that otherwise would not have been broadcast. I'm sure we offered it up as something that could serve the conference, when needed. 

  6. 2 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

    I thought the limiting factor was always that BYU refuses to play on Sundays and no one wanted to accommodate that.

    Who gave in here, BYU or the Big12?

    The "BYU is difficult to work with" is such BS. The only limitation is the no Sunday play, which is admittedly non-negotiable and perhaps that's what some people mean, but we are a team player and are willing to work together in every way. 

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  7. 3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    I can only speak to it regionally. Any ranked Big 12 matchup should could get a pretty good number in Texas and Oklahoma. I know I'll be watching. 

    I doubt the Coasts and Chicago will give a shit, but hey they never did unless it was Texas - OU. 

    Outside of ranked games, I'd be interested in following games : 

    BYU - Baylor. Both really weird schools that shotgun caffeine free Dr. Pepper at tailgates. 

    K State - Kansas. Decent rivalry for flyover country. 

    Tech - TCU. The Battle for the Vacant Corner Office. 

    Iowa State - Okie State. Surly Realignment Thread Blood Feud. 

    Cincy - UCF. The Happy To Be Here Bowl. 

    I guess TCU - Baylor if the Bears get good again. Usually a competitive game. 

    Coug High vs... Nope I just can't get there. 

     

    That is pretty dismal. Yet some in the thread will argue it's better than the ACC. 

    BYU v TCU games could get spicy. We have history and beef there. Both teams would need to be ranked and the game would need to have some implications, but there is potential.

    BTW, caffeinated sodas are now available at BYU.

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  8. 4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

    Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State and very few other schools have always maintained a policy of being willing to play anyone, any time, and they continue to do so. None of those schools have had a FCS school on their program in a very long time outside a random occurrence that was a one-off in the first place. Texas had SHSU on theirs in 2007, the only one in 30 years, due to another school bailing on a game late in the process. 

    Shame on OU, UCLA, the SEC, Michigan, the ACC, Nebraska, and other historically notable programs who have begun the practice of going after OOC cupcakes and FCS games. At least UCLA and OU held out until recently, I guess. 

    I do respect that anyone, anytime, anywhere mentality. Hat tip.

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    Alabama almost never plays anyone west of the Mississippi and usually pads its record with 1 FCS team and 1 bottom-feeder FBS school. Always thought that was lame, but they won the big games so it worked for them. It boggles my mind that FBS teams are still allowed to play FCS teams and have it count. My team started doing it in independence, but I want to be done with that. 

  9. 13 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

    Trojan Man explained it well, but since your cognitive dissonance is seemingly impenetrable, I'll take another shot.

    Your worldview revolves around playing schools that are close to your school and similar to your school.  We get it.

    Understand this: UT and USC want to play schools that are similar to our schools.  Those schools are named UGA, tOSU, UM, Bama, ND, LSU, etc.

    UT's most important rival is in another state.  

    USC's only true rival is in the Midwest.  (UCLA is an annoying little brother.)  We've been traveling across the country to play for almost 100 years.

    UT and USC folks don't give a fuck about the schools that are close to us because we want to compete against the best.

    We'll happily trade unexciting matchups in the B12/PAC (that make up the majority of the schedule) to play unexciting schools in the BIG/SEC (that make up a smaller part of the schedule) because we get to play other bluebloods and near bluebloods.  Games that we will be excited for and that will be memorable.

    When you're sitting on your tractor making a list of divisions that looks almost exactly like the way things were 50 years ago and acting like it would be some kind of CFB nirvana, you're only looking at it from your point of view.  You somehow can't understand that your pov is very different from the pov of someone who has seen his team win multiple National Titles  and lives less than 20 minutes from an airport that has nonstop flights to any road destination that we would want to visit.  

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    Short version- for USC and UT, we don't care about travel because we're going to be playing more schools that are our peers, and we don't care about playing schools that are closer to us because we have never cared about playing them.  

    We're going to have more games that are exciting to watch, make more money, and have better exposure for recruiting.  It would be crazy not make the BIG/SEC move.

    Did you feel this way before the expansion to a 12 team playoff? More big time matchups could mean more losses, but getting into the playoff will be a bit easier now, so that dynamic has changed. 

  10. 59 minutes ago, Satchel said:

    According to McMurphy, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, and Virginia Tech are calling themselves “The Magnificent Seven,” which is referring to a report from Sports Illustrated’s Ross Dellenger that talked about seven programs that are trying to find their way out of this awful TV deal.

    A subset of seven schools in the 14-member conference has coalesced over what many of them describe as an untenable situation,” Dellenger writes. “Officials from the seven schools, led by Florida State and Clemson, have met a handful of times over the past several months, with their lawyers examining the grant-of-rights to determine just how unbreakable it is.

    It appears that the ACC might not be sitting on solid footing right now if the reports are true. Outside of the Big Ten and SEC, conferences seem to be dealing with all kinds of fluidity as they try to do what’s best for their respective futures.

    The Big 12 is in the best shape of the remaining three power five conferences, with expanded members and the best TV deal of the trio. Plus, if they can add a couple of pieces out west, they might even get a better number. The only thing that is certain is that things will keep changing as the conferences position themselves moving forward.

    This summer is pivotal for the landscape of college athletics, and will certainly be one of the top storylines to follow as we inch closer to media days in a couple of months.

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  11. Interesting comments on B12 vs W10 from Brock Huard: link

    “I was in Arizona on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I got to see Kyle [Whittingham] and his wife on Monday night at dinner,” said Huard to the KSL Sports Zone’s Hans & Scotty G. “I got to mingle with a lot of the coaches and the ADs and the Commissioner (George Kliavkoff), and then we did the same the next night with the Big 12. And I will tell you, you could not have had two different environments.

    “The Tuesday night get-together and shindig with the Big 12, there was so much momentum, so much energy. You know, the first-year Commissioner (Brett Yormark) is a driver. He is an expansionist … aggressive, and you feel it. The conference is following that lead as they got their TV deal, and they’re not done.”

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    “On the flip side, the night before with the Pac-12, I’m not going to say survivalist, but it was not a lot of vision cast,” Huard said. “And how could it be with so much unknown in a media deal that, as one AD told me, ‘It’s close.’ But close is good for horseshoes and that’s not good in this business because we’ve got to get this deal done.”

    Like the Big 12, the Pac-12 lost two bell cow brands when USC and UCLA announced they were going to the Big Ten. Since that day on June 30 last year, the Pac-12 has been working to secure its future. Huard, who is part of the Pac-12’s Football Alumni Council, shared his thoughts on the vision he heard from the league’s commissioner.

    “Well, it was hard for me to listen to George Kliavkoff. I’ve been around him probably half a dozen times, and I sit on their alumni council. I’ve actually really appreciated much of his tone and tenor. I thought last year at Media Days he was bold, borderline gruff. … Showed his disappointment in USC and UCLA leaving, and all of that. I thought he handled it really well. This is the first time Monday night, where I’m like, ‘I don’t like the sound of that.’ I don’t need to hear about the water polo team and that you guys went 19-2 out of conference.”

    “What they need to hear is the direction; what they need to hear is that we’re close to a deal. And now, obviously, [Kliavkoff] can’t do that publicly and you don’t negotiate through the public and all of that. My gut and my hunch, Scotty, is that there is a deal there. But it’s not at the numbers anywhere near the number they want. It’s likely a deal that’s going to be spliced amongst a bunch of the networks. I thought the company that I worked with at Fox was out. I got a sense over this week that they’re not because right now, I think a lot of these networks are feeling some blood in the water that there may be a number now that, at first, the Pac-12 scoffed at. But now may have to live with and it may be a number that doesn’t compete with the Big 12 but is a number that at least keeps this group together.”

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  12. 54 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

    The most noteworthy thing about this coming from a BYU guy, instead of a Utah guy, is that the article is not likely a Utah-led effort to begin preparing the way for their fans to accept a change of conference scenery.  If/when Utah decides internally that the PAC isn't going to work, you'll start seeing Utah-led media efforts to push their fans toward acceptance.  

    It's a good article in any case.  A lot of it has been said on this board for years, but the author did a nice job compiling everything.  

    Exactly, thank you.

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