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  1. 31 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

    Texas and OU going to the SEC is going to put a squeeze on the level of talent that B12 schools get. Not only will TX/OU feast on the top guys in state, but A&M will also be right there getting their share of dudes, and LSU, Arkansas, Bama, Georgia, and a few others will also be making pushes into the state now that they will be seen on primetime TV every week.

    Other than Tier 2 schools losing developed talent to Tier 1 schools via the portal, I'm not convinced that much will change in terms of talent going to the top programs. Don't think high school recruiting will dramatically change. Texas and OU and the SEC got the best recruits, generally, before and they will continue to do so. The haves still gonna have.

    31 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

    It would not surprise me to see BYU rise to power since they have a niche pipeline of high quality talent and access to the west coast regions with far less competition there.  

    You are wise. With that niche pipeline, west coast talent access (especially if the P12 withers), better access to the playoff and better bowls, more money, playing for conference titles (not out of the CFB picture after the first loss in the season), etc., we should be able to expand our recruiting net and do better. Might make some noise in the B12. Probably take some time, though. Bout to find out. 

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  2. On 7/7/2023 at 9:35 AM, Hagbard Celine said:

    you DO NOT have a national following in football - quit saying that - it has been disproven repeatedly

    Ahem... 

    "I asked the former ESPN exec what pushed the conference to the higher end of the scale? He said it was "BYU b/c of their loyal national following. They were the money shot. ... "

    I'll go with the former ESPN exec versus Hagbard.

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  3. 22 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

    i know more about the history of your church and your people than you do - i seek only the truth - you should too

    "Nothing but the truth is good enough for the church to which I belong."

    - juanita brooks

    I'm sure you think you do, but I highly doubt it. I've read and studied quite a bit. You read Fawn Brodie's trash biography and other polemics and now you think you are an expert. Good luck with that.

    Anyhow, I'm not going to debate you on religion on a football board. 

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  4. 2 hours ago, 'stache said:

    Their 1984 national championship claim is also so fucking weak when you see their schedule. 

    Washington, ranked #2 after the regular season, declined the option to play BYU. They chose to play Oklahoma instead for more money. They got their money, but not the championship. They should have played BYU instead, but they didn't. Then at the beginning of the 1985 season BYU beat Washington 31-3.

    Baylor coach Grant Teaff, who played both BYU and Oklahoma that year, said: "We played both of them, lucky me, and I think BYU is better. We felt we had a chance against Oklahoma (ranked #2 before its bowl game against #4 Washington), but against BYU all I wanted to do was get the game over with and get out of there."

    Furthermore, BYU received the number-one ranking in ALL 4 NCAA sanctioned polls AP, Coaches, NFF and FWAA. Thus making BYU one of only 19 FBS programs which have been deemed "Unanimous National Champions".

    And one more point, a bunch of BYU players on that team made it to the NFL. 

  5. 2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

    your graduates are employed by the brethren network which has an extremely high concentration in tech and the military intelligence and enforcement complex because of their programmatic 'training' in childhood; aggy has a network and employs aggy; that doesn't validate aggy academics

    you DO NOT have a national following in football - quit saying that - it has been disproven repeatedly

    Brethren network? (Can you let me know how to tap into that?) Hired for our programmatic training? How about being attractive candidates due to high degrees of integrity, honesty, patriotism, and loyalty, stemming from a mix of growing up with an emphasis on Judeo-Christian values and formal participation by the LDS Church in Boy Scouts up until a few years ago? 

    When I say we have a national following, I'm saying we have a large alumni network across the country and we show up very well to away games all the time. 

  6. 13 hours ago, royiv said:

    Because BYU is a pain in the ass to schedule around

    Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    they have an inflated sense of their value, they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members and there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university. It's like bringing Liberty University into your conference.

    We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members

    Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university

    We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

    You seem bitter about something lol.

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  7. 3 hours ago, locodos said:

    Better farming than sitting in that sunblasted hell hole at noon.  I can only imagine what those metal bleachers would feel like.

    Went to a game at Florida State in early September once and was sitting on those metal bleachers. Felt like I was sitting in one of those metallic sun cookers. 🥵

  8. 4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    By this list several Ivy League schools, North Dakota State, Mount Union, St. Johns, Grambling, Wittenberg, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Linfield, Pittsburg State, and more are in the top 50 programs. Not a single remaining B12 school is on that list except WVU, btw.

    4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    Boise State, Princeton, Yale, Syracuse, and Illinois are on the list of top 30 programs. 

    4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    Congrats to the dozens of teams that won a lot of games in the early 1900s and are now meaningless in college football.

    Your lists are irrelevant. 🤡

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  9. 10 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

    They have a factory that makes magic underwear which is what people in Utah rely on instead of a hospital. 

    Good one...

    Just FYI the current president of the LDS Church is a former heart surgeon that was a pioneer in his field, was a director of the American Board of Thoracic Surgery, and was offered the job as head of the dept of thoracic surgery at the University of Chicago, but turned it down. 

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  10. 1 hour ago, camel at sea said:

    It was always implied that BYU overplayed its negotiation hand with the Big 12 and it's hard to believe that the Sunday thing was a dealbreaker by itself because it's a pretty easy workaround.  Maybe somebody with a better memory of that than me can say what happened.  Either way, everything was a lot smoother between both sides a decade later.  

    I think that's hearsay. I've never seen more than rumor/conjecture on this during the fog of realignment war. The only other thing I can think of where we may have asked for some unique handling is BYUtv.  But if anything, I would think that BYUtv would be an asset. In the WCC, we broadcast mens and womens tournament games that otherwise would not have been broadcast. I'm sure we offered it up as something that could serve the conference, when needed. 

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