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Posts posted by Ricky Butler
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15 minutes ago, GabrielsHorn said:
Hypothetically, would you rather have Porter or Bagley? I think that'll be a tough decision for anyone if the top 3 goes as expected (Ayton, Doncic, JJJ). I think Bagley is much more proven, but his game will be interesting for the NBA.
I'd take Bagley, I think. I understand his possible limitations in the NBA, but man, his offensive game and athleticism is just so impressive. I don't know how anyone could be certain about his ceiling.
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2 hours ago, UT Lawnghorn said:
My problem with Porter is he’s not ever shown to be anything besides a scorer.
All the guys have a lot of development left, but an elite 3-level scorer at Porter's size is an insanely coveted player in the NBA. You're right that the injury is a huge deal, but if a team feels good about that, it's easy to see his value after pick 3 or 4.
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32 minutes ago, GabrielsHorn said:
I don't really think the Mavs are in the Doncic camp, and I don't think Carlisle is in the tanking camp for beyond this year. The Mavs were a much better team than what their record was this season, and they are a year away from getting rid of the Matthews contract. Making that trade would put them more into pure tanking for the next two seasons.
Doncic seems like the most Mavs player ever, and I'm ok with that. I'd give up just about anything to get him. He makes basketball fun to watch.
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On 5/1/2018 at 2:38 PM, DougO said:
So the major bust they traded a 4th round guy for is essentially worth the same as a guy off the street. They panicked and made a poor decision. Sounds familiar.
https://twitter.com/BryanBroaddus/status/1003630712979935235
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41 minutes ago, d2o said:
nbadraft.net has Trae Young at 3 too. I would LOVE for something like that to happen so one of the top guys fall to ORL.
Some team could fall in love with Trae, and if he hits, they'll look really good. I just don't want my team to take that risk.
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12 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:
i still don't get how doncic isn't the overwhelming top prospect in the draft. he's a 19 year old kid dominating against grown men in the 2nd best basketball league on the planet.
I don't agree with this, but I think it's questions about his athleticism. Namely his ability to get separation when good NBA defenders are on him.
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You can't fuck up a pool party unless there's no water in the pool.
Or no girls there.
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2 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:
Fuck the spurs. I hope the wheels fly off that entitled fan base that whines about everything then tells other fans that whining isn’t ok to do.
Finanlly something we can all agree on.
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16 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:
I think you are drastically overvaluing what we will get in return. I doubt we do better than Brown, Rozier and a draft pick. I'm not even sure if the Celtics would want to give up both Brown and Rozier.
I have no idea what his value is, but what if Boston and Philly are both in the running? Would probably sweeten it a little for the Spurs.
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10 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:
They certainly have the assets, and a player like him could put them over the top.
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2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
I understand your point..... Last summer, OKC didn't have any guarantee (and still don't) George would re-sign there yet they made a gamble. Teams can't "officially" speak with Kawhi at this time to understand if he would be open to re-signing so they'll have to make assessments about their situation. His team can put out whispers but a lot of times, guys don't know what they'll do until they're in their new situation. Sacramento is probably the least compelling of the teams mentioned (except the Knicks), but that's mainly because they're not one player away from contending for a title and their assets are meh..... except for the 2nd pick.
No you don't. The differences in franchises IS the point. OKC has a better franchise and had the reigning MVP. They probably thought the two stars could gel, and George would resign. Sacramento hasn't made the playoffs in 10 years and they are probably the worst franchise in the NBA. Also they are in a small market. They should not have delusions that any star would sign there long-term until they get there shit together.
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2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
We'll see..... Most experts think you're way off in value.
We can. Fultz's value is really weird right now. He can't shoot..... Talent but he would have to be rebuilt in some ways.
Correct. Kawhi is going to forgo the supermax....
No, you're misunderstanding my point. It doesn't make sense for the Kings. It absolutely makes sense for any team that can resign him... Boston, LA, Philly, etc.
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30 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
OKC gave up Oladipo and Sabonis for a PG rental...... It happened just last year.
OKC was a playoff team with a max player in his prime, and Olidipo's value was low. Also, Olidipo wasn't on a rookie contract for 5 years.
I think a more realistic comp to that is a player for player. Like CJ McCollum for Kawhi.
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4 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:
Yep. I'd make them also give up Fox and/or Bogdanovich and hopefully another future first round pick. Or maybe make them take back Gasol or Patty's contract.
Also, if this dude feels betrayed in SA, he really needs to go somewhere like LA where they don't/can't shelter their players like he's been sheltered in San Antonio. Dude has no idea what he's in for.
I don't think anyone is giving up that much for a 1-year rental. If a guy forces his way out of a great franchise like SA, why in the hell would SAC be able to keep him happy?
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2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:
Trade him for #2 and take doncic
I feel like Kawhi's agent would have to hold back laughter when the Kings ask if he'd be interested in signing a long-term deal in Sacramento.
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2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
The problem on this is the Lakers assets are great. Ingram hasn't been great, Spurs won't entertain the Ball non-sense. So who besides Kuzma, who would you take? I'm going to guess the Lakers offer Kuzma/Ingram and pick. I think the Spurs will explore trading him to whoever comes with the best package.
This is kind of shitty of Kawhi. If he refuses to sign an extension or be forthcoming with his medicals, no one will trade for him. He could just walk next year.
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9 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
We won't get fair value for him but basically you probably want 2-3 players and a lottery pick..... Lynch pin is probably a good young player under 25/26. Before the playoffs, I wanted a package revolving around Jayson Tatum but doubt the Celtics do that anymore but something like that.
I bet you're right. Boston has the picks and someone like Jaylen Brown to start talks.
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If you're the Spurs, what type of player would start the discussion for a Kawhi trade? Embiid?
If I'm forced to trade a star, I want as close to a star as I can get. Don't give me a bunch of "good pieces and picks"
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3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
I did not expect that. Sucks for Spurs fans if true. Welcome to the NBA, this is how we roll.
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If the Rockets choose to run it back (which seems like no-brainer sans Lebron), can they add pieces or are they pretty locked in? Do the CP3 and Capella raises make it hard to add?
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5 minutes ago, Post Oak said:
Give dallas Faried and 14 and that belt gets a little looser
I have no idea if Denver would do this, but I would love it for the Mavs. There is definite irony in teams dumping picks (cost controlled players) to save money.
Going to be interesting when the first salary dump happens. I think it will open the floodgates because teams need to find someone to take their money before they get stuck with the tax bill. Does anyone know when the luxury tax is calculated?
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59 minutes ago, closetojumping said:
Alabama doesn't win titles taking guys like this. Wisconsin and TCU are highly competitive with rosters built with guys like this though. I like the fact that Texas is showing elite recruiting capabilities with this staff and there are strong signs that they're doing excellent evaluations, so I'll take the combo until Texas is winning 10+ again and can dictate in-state and cherry pick OOS.
Be careful, they're going to come after you for accepting anything less than what 'Bama and Ohio State are getting. WE WILL RETAKE OUR SPOT AMONG THE ELITE, WE WILL NOT EARN IT!
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1 hour ago, fellside said:
Said it in the other thread, but I don't think Memphis wants to simply lose the pick to dump Parsons. They want to use a trade down to dump Parsons.
Moving from 5 to 4 isn't worth taking on that amount of money.
Memphis was tanking harder than any other team and embarrassing themselves in the process. They didn't do that to just do a salary dump.
Yeah, I always thought this scenario would include a player of value going to Memphis. They want to get off wasted money, but they want to win now.
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If Jimbo tries to succeed at A&M with pro-style, immobile QBs, I think it will prove difficult.
2018 NBA Draft
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I would do it because if you're right about Luka, you'll never regret what you gave up.