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Captainant

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  1. 3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    Think what you want of me but don't fool yourself - withdrawal is not a winning strategy.

    I completely agree, I'm not saying the best course is to withdraw. I'm saying we shouldn't concede every point and excuse their blind hatred and affirmative votes for a modern Kristalnacht. It's happening in Minnesota right now. If they're any sort of "aw shucks" about that, fuck them and they are lost.

    Don't retreat from engaging with them, don't concede that because they FEEL a certain way that it must be so, and don't give them room to weasel. Giving them so much rhetorical weasel room is exactly how you end up in this position.

    7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    I'm not apologizing or anything like it. I'm saying this is part of the human condition. If it was not that way we could say that the Nazis were an expression of the defects in the German character and that it couldn't happen here.

    You're literally excusing their choices as "the human condition". All are equal, but they must be more equal than others if their privileged human condition gives them license to be fascist without contempt from you.

  2. 1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

    Avoiding CR but if Trump is successfully able to get the credit card companies to lower their interest rates, who are the winners on the stock market? I assume this will cut deeply into the the revenue of banks, so will this push money towards non-banks who pay a similar dividend to investors?

    Lulz if this happened 18 months ago it would be a fucking five alarm fire in this thread about the government telling private businesses how to run their interests. It's pretty funny how all those rhetorical positions have been aggressively abandoned now. I wonder what changed...?

  3. 21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    But it’s not an abstract proposition. That’s my point. It’s really not your fault. You were a product of your environment, upbringing, history, etc.

    I was raised in a different environment full of socially conscious lefties. That doesn’t make me better or worse.

    Over time my views changed as I became my own person and so did yours. But that process happens to everyone on a different timeline and for different reasons.

    Follow that line of thinking and you would be an apologist for most Nazis, as they were simply just a product of their environment. Poor helpless and without agency! They have no choice but to pick the most hateful and damaging narrative because, aw shucks, they're just too busy being business leaders to pay attention to those ugly politics

  4. 1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    I’m not making excuses, but it’s simply a fact that there is often a huge disconnect between their personal behaviors/values and their politics has never been bigger.

    Most people simply don’t think about politics beyond tribal membership.

    “They know not what they do.”

    And what's that disconnect driven by? Why do you give them so much grace and perpetual excuse for their own choices? They don't think about politics beyond tribal membership precisely because of this sort of kids glove treatment.

  5. 4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    You are right of course, but sadly what I have found is that very many MAGA true believers are decent human beings who simply do not see the connection between the politics they support and the consequences for the people they know and love, or even themselves.

    I went to high school with the mother of a nonbinary teen. Her ex-husband and his family are fundamentalists who have mistreated the child and abused the mother. Both mother and child have been ridiculed and cyber bullied in their own exurban community, leading them back into Dallas proper and seeking fellowship and resources in the queer community. Which, of course, has received them with open arms. About half of the mom’s posts on social media are about acceptance and equality. The other half is stuff like this:

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    Yeah at a certain point the "stupid" explanation doesn't work anymore. That's just plain old hate if they keep getting the consequences of their choices and opinions shoved on their face, and they refuse to reconsider

  6. 9 minutes ago, Chopper said:

    Trump is too incompetent and reckless to manage even the Kennedy Center or a building renovation. I don't think stealing VZ's oil is going to go so well. Call me crazy.

    He's great at knocking things down, and pretty shit at building anything to last

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    Edited by Captainant

    Just now, Mitch Cumsteen said:

    There is zero justification for this shooting. None. Zip. Zilch.

    Also, you have to be stupid as hell to antagonize an ICE officer in particular, or anyone in general, who is packing.

    Her last words before getting shot in the side of her head and called a "fucking bitch" were "it's ok, I'm not mad at you".

    This is some insane victim blaming, unless I'm reading you completely wrong

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