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  1. 1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

    I doubt he is some mouth breathing, election denying, texags dipshit and prior to this week has always seemed to handle himself professionally - not injecting politics into his job - at least from what I can tell as an unconnected observer. But simple demographic probability and his track record at UT suggest it's unlikely he is any kind of progressive.

    Considering that track record includes pre-emptively calling in a company-scale deployment of state troopers to put down a protest because he didn't like their speech and was scared of something happening in CA and NY.... He's got some major fascist points on the board.

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  2. 3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

    Yeah, no. Our student athletes asked for the university to act. Calling their concerns nonsense is arrogant, and patronizing. 

    And interestingly, the LHB director at the time of the Eyes controversy, Scott Hanna, made all the same mistakes of inaction and over-politicking as Hartzell did. They even look the same, which is pretty weird

  3. 2 minutes ago, troph said:

    not even close to what I'm saying. if hartzell is the fascist, hang him by his sagging scrotum. I'm not sure he's the fascist though. I certainly would like to find out more.

    IMO, it is completely fucking irrelevant however he felt while he requested a fucking COMPANY of DPS officers to come into his campus to deprive his students of their freedom of speech. He fucking ordered the code red. 

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  4. 10 minutes ago, lucious leftfoot said:

    So?

    There's also a large portion that have about as progressive views as you can. I thought diversity was a good thing. I would put diversity of thought in that bucket as well.

    In an ideal world, universities encourage that sort of thing.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

    We should not seek out and internalize all thought and ignore our own values just because it's different from our own. Society will invariably bend towards the wishes of those who wish to exclude and rule over others. 

    Which wouldn't ya know it, is exactly what fuckin happened when Hartzell invited the jackboot riot cops into campus a day before the event and had em lining up before any protesters even started to arrive

  5. 1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

    The reality is that Hartzell doesn't call the shots. The BOR calls the shots. I can't speak for how he handled firing a bunch of folks, becuase I have no personal knowledge of that, but your story sure sounds like it was fucking shitty. But he was told to shutter DEI, or lose his job. I know Hartzell loves UT and wanted it to be his last job. But I have to wonder if we'll be seeing that guy take a job as Presdient in...some other state. At the end of the day, this is a microcosm of everything else that is happening in Texas, right down to the people who are making active plans to GTFO of this place at some point in the future. 

    Sorry I didn't quite make it clear, Hartzell had told the soon-to-be-fired DEI staff that they would find a place for them in UT so they would not lose their jobs and livelihood. The DEI program was going away no matter what, but he welched on his commitment to keep them in jobs somewhere at UT.

  6. 34 minutes ago, Red Five said:

    What’s with all of the hypotheticals that have nothing to do with the case in front of them? Considering the urgency here, or what should be urgency I guess, why not say something like “We can address all of these hypotheticals at a later date, but for now, no, a President does not have immunity for failed coup attempts.”

    My guy, the supremes have issued entire rulings constructed whole-cloth out of hypotheticals that have nothing do with the case in front of them.

     

    It's what fascists do when they don't have facts on their side: stoke grievances with hypotheticals. See: DT pro-Palestine protest thread

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  7. 8 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

    I get your point.  But the DEI shit foisted upon Hartzell by the government.  He had no cards to play and was genuinely supportive of the DEI mission.  This was altogether a different animal.  This was 100% architected by Eltife, Longoria, and Abbott. But Jay went along with it.  And we will likely never know why.  

    The DEI stuff was compounded because (according to my mom who's an AD for UT student services) hartzell made a big show of telling the staff and faculty that nobody would be losing their job and livelihood over the DEI programs getting shuttered - and then he fired all sixty of em. The staff and faculty have already been mad at hartzell because he went back on his word about protecting the Texas family from State interference

    That's what the Tower protest yesterday was originally supposed to be about, but they ceded the site to the second day of the peaceful pro-Palestine protests

  8. 2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    That is actually a good question - I don't think I've stated where I stand. Hate rallies when they are a minority are good for free speech. Hate rallies when they are a majority are problematic. You went to the BLM rallies. What if there were rallies that BLdidn'tM? Fine. Now what if those rallies were 20 times larger than the BLM groups? We have a problem. I hate to play the Nazi card, but that has actually happened to jews in the recent past - when my parents were being born and when some of my grandparents were of fight or flight age. So, when there is now a mix of anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment, is it just the current conflict or is there something deep seeded? It is debatable. So when the jewish fraternities and sororities side with breaking up the rally and preventing some of the shit that is going on around other college campuses while having to increase security at their houses - all I can say is that I'm conflicted. Some of this needs to be nipped in the bud before it sprouts - leaders should be leading. In the absence of that, I'm not sure what is the best way to make change happen. How do you feel if things get out of control around the US? What about around the world? When do you stand up?

    None of what you are talking about is descriptive of what happened on Wednesday at UT. Why do you insist upon talking about everything EXCEPT what happened at Texas?

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  9. 2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    It's not just state politics. It's internal politics as well.  He's getting heat for what happened but imagine the heat from those cutting the checks that actually matter if he would have let UT campus turn into Columbia

    So you think it's appropriate to invite fascism and the trampling of free speech at The University of Texas because he was scared of something that happened in New York?

    Gee whiz, what a fucking LEADER! Wowie zowie!

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  10. Just now, BeardIP said:

    It's not right. And I don't think they have the right.

    But it's what they do.

    And everyone, in 2024, knows it. The reputation for cops as thugs, bullies, etc. with little to no accountability. It is known.

    The fucker you voted for did quite a lot of heavy lifting to normalize cops using force as a first step. 

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  11. 32 minutes ago, troph said:

    you jump to conclusions too much and it prevents you from seeing the nuance. I do not support Hartzell's decision, I do support the right to assemble, I think Abbott is a power thirsty thug and I think the DPS is mostly full of goons. I also don't know have the full story on what really happened that led to Hartzell's decision and neither do you.

    I hear you on jumping to conclusions, but this is not a time for nuance. The governor deployed shock troops onto campus to shut down speech he didn't like. Our university president consented to that abuse of our campus and student body. He put his political future and personal goals ahead of the good of The University of Texas. 

    I just think that the fascists make the most progress in their goals when reasonable people treat fascists like they're also reasonable. Abbott and anyone who would answer to his orders to march into a peaceful protest and assault them to silence their speech are goddamn fucking fascists. 

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  12. 4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    Sorry to have to spell it out: It's a figure of speech. There is a meme going around that a keffiyeh on an American college campus is just a hipster swastika

    Sorry that 4chan sucks? That's a bit of a jump to soft claim that meme culture is why hartzell had to call in riot cops for a few hundred peaceful protesters in a designated public speech area

  13. 1 minute ago, troph said:

     

     

    jesus christ on what planet do you think I'm defending abbott or DPS? get the fuck outta here with that shit. fuck them.

    I don't think you're defending them, but I do think you're giving them the benefit of the doubt because you won't look for yourself 

  14. 17 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

    Thanks to the 2A, if this is the reality, your guns help ensure rights encroached by the gubmint.

    Well we know that if a single AR-15 were there, DPS would still be waiting to enter campus

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  15. Just now, troph said:

    I hear you, I think you are reasonable, I think your position is reasonable. I just don't know enough. free speech (and more accurately the right to assemble) in and of itself is complex area of the law, so it's not every really black or white. AND, fuck DPS and the goons that used bullshit tactics to get the assemblers in trouble.

    How about: Abbott signed a law in 2019 to specifically make every public university a legal place for peaceful protest and demonstration. He violated that law yesterday because of fear of what happened in California and New York. 

    Goons did not use bullshit tactics to get assemblers in trouble. The police showed up at 1130, before the protesters did, in full on riot gear. There's fucking video from Fox7 (before their cameraman was RKO'd and arrested by DPS) of students in yellow vests clearing a path through the protest for the police, who then turn around and teakettle and start arresting them. 

     

    Please, go look for yourself what happened. Don't take abbott's word for it. 

    He's counting on you to take his word and not be curious enough to look for yourself. 

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  16. 1 minute ago, Bevo said:

    I never thought about it but I think you are correct. Maybe the jewish community is delusional. Have you thought about presenting your thoughts to the Anti-defimation League?

    How the surge in antisemitism is affecting countries around the world

    By Reuters
    October 31, 202310:25 AM CDTUpdated 6 months ago
     
    The following are details of how the surge is affecting countries, compiled by Reuters reporters around the world:

    UNITED STATES

    Jewish advocacy group the Anti-Defamation League reported last week that antisemitic incidents had risen by about 400% in the two weeks following the Oct. 7 attack, compared with the same period last year.
     
    Government officials met American-Jewish leaders on Monday to discuss steps to counter what a White House official described as an alarming uptick in reported instances of antisemitism on university campuses.
     
    After a man screaming "Free Palestine" and "Kill Jews" attempted to break into a Jewish family's home in Los Angeles on Oct. 25, Mayor Karen Bass said police would continue stepping up patrols in communities throughout the city.
     

    CANADA

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke on Oct. 17 of a "scary rise" in antisemitism in Canada, citing incidents at a Jewish high school in Toronto as well as escalating inflammatory language online.

    ARGENTINA

    Scarred by two attacks in the 1990s on the Israeli embassy and on a Jewish community centre, which killed over 100 people in total, Argentine Jewish leaders have been advising community members to exercise caution and increase vigilance.
     
    A well-known Jewish school in Buenos Aires asked pupils not to wear their usual uniforms, while some teams pulled out of a table tennis competition being held at a Jewish club for fear it could be targeted.
    Local media reported last week an Argentine man was arrested after calling on social media platform 4chan for attacks on Jewish children in schools.

    BRAZIL

    Jewish leaders have noticed a rise in antisemitic discourse online, and incidents such as graffiti defacing a synagogue in Rio de Janeiro. No instances of physical threats or assaults have been reported.
     
    "We are very concerned. We have increased the security of our institutions," said Ricardo Berkiensztat, executive president of the Jewish Federation of the State of Sao Paulo.
    He said he had seen comments online such as "Hitler didn't finish, he should have finished killing Jews".

    BRITAIN

    London's police force said there had been a 14-fold increase in incidents of antisemitism since the Oct. 7 attack.
    The Community Security Trust, which collates reports of antisemitism in Britain, said the number of incidents in the three weeks following the attack was the highest for any three-week period since it started collecting data in 1984.
     

    FRANCE

    Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said on Monday that since Oct. 7 there had been 819 antisemitic acts. That compares with a figure of 436 for the whole of 2022.
    Darmanin said there had been 414 arrests in connection with this trend.

    GERMANY

    A survey by a civil society observatory, the RIAS, found a 240% year-on-year increase in antisemitic incidents in the period of Oct. 7-15.

    NETHERLANDS

    No official figures are available yet, but Eddo Verdoner, national coordinator for combating antisemitism, said a sharp rise had been observed and anxiety was high in the Jewish community.
    He said Jewish parents had reported their children had been harassed at school, with comments such as "Hamas were right" and "they should have done it earlier" directed at them.

    SOUTH AFRICA

    The number of antisemitic incidents in October is nine times higher than the average recorded for that month over the past decade, according to David Saks, associate director of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies.
    In one incident, a woman who shared a link to information about a protest calling for the release of Israeli hostages being held in Gaza was abused online, including a post that said "we'll come for her babies next".

    RUSSIA

    After an angry crowd stormed an airport in the Dagestan region searching for Jews to harm after a plane arrived from Tel Aviv, the president of Russia's Federation of Jewish Communities called on the authorities to harshly punish the organisers.
    Rabbi Alexander Boroda said the airport riot "undermined the basic foundations of our multi-cultural and multi-national state".

    CHINA

    No figures are available on antisemitic incidents. On Oct. 13, a staff member of the Israeli embassy in Beijing was assaulted and a suspect was arrested.
    Chinese social media is awash with antisemitic content, including posts suggesting the Nazi Holocaust was justified and likening Jews to parasites, vampires or snakes.
    A foreign ministry spokesperson said the law prohibited the use of the internet to propagate hate speech, but there were no discernible efforts by the authorities to curb antisemitic activity online.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Perhaps, now is the time to give everyone a thumbs up for their contributions to bringing the Cloak Room to the Daily Texan. Nice job all around guys.

    Stop insisting that what happened at Texas on Wednesday was about antisemitism. You are doing abbott's propaganda work for him. 

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  17. 36 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

    I know it hasn't gone fully Aggy maga stupidity yet but it's still the university of Texas. The flagship university in one of the most backwards ass maga states in the country. It's going to be influenced by those shitheads until and if maga can be run out of Texas politics. 

    Are there numerous videos of the protests? Were the police the clear instigators attacking people who were not being violent or aggressive? This right now is the first I've read or heard about this so I don't know any of the details. 

    First couple pages of the DT thread before the fascist apologists show up have most of the contemporaneous video and journalism on what happened 

     

     

  18. 2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

    They need to fire everyone who turned their search algorithm to shit.

    [Laughs in advertising revenue]

  19. 4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    This is a discussion thread. I am discussing the humor in one group, just months before, wanting a shut down, and later getting shut down, just in the unintended way.

    Yes, I know you take joy in seeing protesters brutalized, and ideally, shot in the streets. I too posted on surly in 2020. I just think it's disgusting to take joy in seeing it done to the Texas student body to appease a fascist movement. Especially when the same governor """standing up to antisemitism""" had no problems with no shit neonazis marching down congress wearing facemasks to demonstrate on the state capital. 

    It puts the lie to their bullshit statement they released yesterday that is eagerly being mindlessly repeated by useful idiots. 

    8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    You are not the thread police. You are not an appointed judge. You are a little activist LARPer.  Stay mad.

    Ok and you stay happy about this, ya sick fuck

  20. 6 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:

    Was it not you that started the name calling?

    I think the worst "name calling" I've done in this thread is calling someone a boomer, unless you think calling someone who is supporting fascism a "fascism supporter" is a bad thing?

    If you'd like to litigate my posts so that you can distract from the fascist attack on our campus, let's take it to another thread so we don't derail the focus on what happened at Texas on Wednesday. 

     

    Which to be clear, was a fascist crackdown on free speech simply because the State did not like the content of that speech. 

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  21. 8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    Which people do I like, and which people did I ask to be censored? Didn't you suggest that I gave no shits to either the Israelis or Palestinians?

    I know exactly what happened after the palestinian group begged and "demanded" for another group to be shutdown: something that made you cry. Pissant.

    We've been over this in the thread. They were asking UT to not officially sponsor the anti-palestinian, pro-zionist group that was calling for Palestinian genocide. That is the speech that I am inferring that you wanted to see, mainly because you're so happy to see their opposition met with outrageous violence. 

    There is an important distinction between being not allowed to say anything at all and being teakettled in a designated public discourse space, and between wanting UT to not endorse pro-genocide speech. Nobody was trying to silence the pro-zionist speech, they just didn't want it wearing a UT logo. 

     

    And yet, you choose to not see this key distinction and instead lean on name calling to attempt to derail the thread. 

  22. And for what it's worth, the big stat from hartzell that the fascism apologists are hanging their hat on is misleading at best. If 26 of the arrested people were unaffiliated with the university, then a bunch of them were released without charges because there was no probable cause to justify their detainment and deprivation of rights

    https://www.kut.org/crime-justice/2024-04-25/ut-austin-palestinian-protest-charges-dismissed-israel-gaza-war

    Call me whatever names you'd like, but hartzells numbers and statements he gave to justify inviting fascism don't add up with the public and verifiable information we have. 

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