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  1. 24 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    See this is where you, and probably others, don't get me.  This isn't the big brain argument.  This is the "this is the way the world is" argument. 

    My big brain argument is probably closer to yours, so call it submitting, or giving up, but through my study of history and philosophy, I've come to the conclusion that shit ain't gonna change so I prefer to work within the system, not against it.  

    In my early 20's I was a pro America, pro Texas Navy man who genuinely thought I was saving the world and protecting democracy around the world.

    Then from my late 20's to mid-40's I was an uber liberal who thought I was saving the world through love, peace and recycling.  Then Trump happened, and I realized this is all just tribal war, governments are organized crime, and I just don't have time for it anymore.

    I have a lot of thoughts on how things should be, but unless there is a global disaster that wipes out all governments, I don't think any of them can be put into practice.

    JFC so you're a burnt out finance genXer nihilist. No wonder you don't give a shit about people's rights being taken away and think that protesting is pointless. 

    Read a fucking history book. Jesus Christ. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

    Pretty rich for the guy calling this fascism....please define fascism and let me know if you think it still think it applies here.,

    You clearly haven't read or clicked through the DT thread, but asked and answered as far as what I tend to use

    Umberto Eco kinda fuckin nailed it, IMO

  3. Just now, DixonHur said:

    But then they started setting up tents....that's just simply not allowed.

    What do you do when a protest turns into an occupation?

    That's not what happened on Wednesday. You are being a sockpuppet for hot wheels when you continue to insist what happened in NY and CA is what was happening in Texas. 

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  4. 2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    The riot cops were there, in full gear, from the start.  

    And answer the question.  What should the administration have done?

    They should have done what they did on Thursday. Absolutely fucking nothing. 5x the number of protesters came down and demonstrated and it continued to be peaceful without DPS goons showing up. 

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  5. 2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    The embarrassment is the overreaction on this board to something that has happened dozens of times before without resulting in fascism.

    You haven't even watched any of the timestamped videos in the first page of the DT thread that was being compiled as it happened. You have no idea if it's an overreaction or not. 

    You're just so up your own ass about being in the middle that you're assuming that you must be the only reasonable person, and completely ignoring the bare facts in front of you. 

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  6. 2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    So are you proposing that the cops and the University didn't try to get the organizers to break it up / leave before using force?

    That's literally what happens in the video footage from yesterday? Protest organizers were working with the police and making lanes in the protest so police could move in easily. 

    They were being fully compliant and peaceful, and then the riot cops did what they put on all that gear to do. 

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  7. 2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Wow, some of you need to dial back the rhetoric a smidge.

    To read this thread you'd think the cops came goose stepping through campus busting heads.

    They arrested a couple dozen people who were all released within hours. 

    I think Hartzel was just worried it would become like Columbia University and didn't want that on campus.  Abbott seizing on the opportunity for political reasons is a different situation entirely.

    Dude that's what fuckin fascism looks like. It's an early stage, but that's fucking IT dude. 

    Those students were denied a common public space to hold peaceful protests. Their words were met with violence from the police. 

    Why in the fuck are you making excuses for this fucking embarrassment?

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  8. 4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    From the article:

     

    Yes, and as was covered contemporaneously, they did not put any specific rules or restrictions in place or publish any prior to the event. I admire you clicking through the link, but it's not the gotcha you're hoping for

    You should really get informed on what happened by reading the first page or two of this thread, or at least before Incredulity did the first threadshit. 

  9. 3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Just generally clearing out a crowd that didn't have authorization to be there and was asked to leave...presumably for the previous 1.5 hours.  That's pretty standard practice.  They weren't swinging clubs or anything as far as I saw.

    This is not an accurate description of what happened yesterday. They don't need authorization to be there because of the 2019 law signed by Abbott that turns public universities into designated public discourse spaces. The police didn't ask anything of the protesters, the just started kettling protesters and forced them into streets so they could be arrested for blocking the street. 

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  10. 10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Thanks.

    Probably an overreaction, but it doesn't sound that bad.  I mean it's not like it was Kent State Pt. 2 or anything.

    It's moreso what Hartzell has been doing, completely selling out his student body to the culture war and now threatening academic punishment against legal peaceful protesters. That sets a precedent of punishing and ejecting students extrajudicially, and gives a strong weapon to a leader with ill intent in their heart

    Edit: not saying hartzell is that person, but whoever comes after him is gonna have abbott's hand up his ass

  11. 1 minute ago, immamac said:

    Or you could frame that exact same thing in a way that wasn't outrage and was making fun of Hartzell being a fluffer of the fascists or something else that uses more than 1% of the brainpower you have and is just pooped out raw emotion on a keyboard. 

    I'm not saying it's funny, I'm saying the way surly in particular can and has framed stuff that is serious in the past is with a lot of irreverence with an underlying tone of seriousness and gravity that isn't lost on the posters. 

    Heard, and I'll try to calm down a bit, but it's hard when a good chunk of this thread is people trying to distract from what happened at Texas by introducing what happened on the east or west coast, or just straight up applauding the action by abbott and hartzell. 

    1 minute ago, immamac said:

    I mean it used to be so goofy that we had to use a [SERIOUS] label at the end of Shaggy/beginning of surly because people were goofing TOO much. 

    Yeah but those were fun shenanigans. These shenanigans are cruel and tragic. 

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  12. 6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    Yall need to go back and read @immamac's post about actually attempting to interject some humor instead of constant outrage posting. Maybe someone else will get it.

    I'm not sure what's such a laughing matter? Like yeah it's from the Big Lebowski. Hawr hawr hawr! Do you think that's really appropriate in the face an honest to God fascist action on UT's campus at the behest of its own president?

  13. Just now, Skipper said:

    Their revolution is over. Condolences!  My advice to them is to do what their parents did - get a job!  The bums will always lose! 

    It's completely inappropriate to academically punish students for peaceful and legal expressions of free speech. 

    It's horrifying how amped you are to punish these students for having an opinion you don't like. 

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  14. And the escalation of fuckery and punishment of students for speaking the wrong speech continues

    https://www.kut.org/education/2024-04-26/ut-austin-says-arrested-protesters-including-students-will-not-be-allowed-on-campus

    Protesters arrested for trespassing at UT Austin this week will not be allowed back on campus despite charges against them being dropped, a university spokesperson confirmed Friday.

    The spokesperson did not respond to questions about how this could impact students who have final exams and plan to graduate in a couple weeks. A spokesperson told KUT the Office of the Dean of Students determines penalties for students, including how long a ban is in place.

    Fifty-seven people were arrested Wednesday during pro-Palestinian protests on the university campus. UT Austin said roughly half of those arrested were students.

    That includes Jumana Fakhreddine, a senior and pre-med student. The 22-year-old said she was arrested Wednesday afternoon, about 10 minutes after joining the protests. Fakhreddine said four to five officers lifted her off her feet and put her in zip-tie handcuffs.

    The charges against her were dropped and she was released from jail just after midnight Thursday. She said since her release, no one from UT Austin has contacted her. She found she was not welcome on campus through a flyer circulated by the university.

    “We thought that because the charges got dropped, we would be able to go to campus because we felt like that proved we didn’t do anything wrong,” she said. “But I guess that’s not true.”

    UT Austin warned students before the protest that they could be disciplined for participating.

    Fakhreddine said she's not sure if she'll be able to take her organic chemistry final on campus next week. She doesn’t need the class to graduate, she said, but does need it to apply to medical school.

    “Initially I was angry about the whole thing, but I’m sad about how an educational institution is treating its students,” Fakhreddine said. “It just feels like such a betrayal.”

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  15. 3 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

    It’s not that fucking hard. Protest all you want but don’t set up camps, hold college campuses hostage, disrupt classes and crash graduation ceremonies. Go have your protest on west mall and leave it there.

    That was literally met with 100 riot cops and horse cops and a fleet of cop vehicles. They were pushed off of the South Mall and then arrested for trespassing. Have you watched literally any of the footage?

     

    Greg Abbott and the State of Texas violated those students freedom of speech and would not allow them to "have your protest and leave it there"

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  16. 11 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    You are a really productive and articulate poster and a great value add to every discussion.   Always bringing up new, unique and non-inflammatory talking points to drive intelligent discourse.  Keep on being great.

    You care to revisit your stanning of hartzell's statement about how he was completely justified because they bagged a couple dozen folks that weren't officially affiliated with UT?

    Did you see the AAS article upthread outlining how all 57 trespassing charges have been dropped? And that their probable cause affidavits were literally just copy/pasta?

    It's crystal clear what happened on Wednesday. I don't understand your shared impulse to talk about everything except what happened on Wednesday at Texas.

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  17. Oh also Stateman just dropped. Charges dropped for all 57 people arrested.

    https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2024/04/26/ut-austin-pro-palestinian-protest-charges-dropped-against-all-57-people-arrested/73468467007/

    All charges have been declined against the 57 people arrested in connection to the Wednesday pro-Palestinian protest at the University of Texas.

    The Travis County attorney's office said all 57 arrests, which were all criminal trespassing charges, lacked probable cause.

    County Attorney Delia Garza, whose office handles misdemeanor cases, told the American-Statesman on Thursday that her office agreed with defense lawyers that there were "deficiencies" with the probable cause arrest affidavits, which are the documents filled out by law enforcement to justify an arrest. At that time on Thursday, 46 of the 57 had charges declined.

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