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Posts posted by quigley
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3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:
Oh I’m sure it’s complicated. But if you’re going to run something complicated, you better have great assistants teaching it. It’s like Jimbo Fishers “complicated” offense being run by incompetent assistants and bag men. Good luck with that.
We agree.
Either be really good at teaching it or run something basic (like TCU is) and master it.
They're progressively worse over the last 3 weeks. Appears that the spirit of the team has been broken, possibly by the coaches themselves running the players down.
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4 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:
Lol with the Saban like complexity. He hired Ted fucking Roof to run that defense and Jay Valai. The way he built that staff was as big of a red flag as Strong hiring Shawn Watson. Just inexcusable.
Also it’s a lot easier to make the “perfect call” when you’re stealing the other team’s signals. That seems to be the thing he’s best known for. Credit to him for being great at it, but he’s not catching anybody by surprise with that any more.
I'm quoting other coaches who say his defenses are complicated. Sorry if I trust their opinions over yours. Getting defensive calls in late is something Saban and Venables have both been known for.
I agree with you're point about Roof and Valai. I was dumbfounded by both hires.
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19 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:
OU is going to be terrible until Venables is gone and they hire a top coach, though. Venables is not a good coach. He was the guy originally responsible for OU dropping from the top defensive team in college football to winning 49-45 shootouts against the mid tier Big 12 opponents. Somehow he was hired there after being fired as a coordinator, like if we hired Greg Davis or Manny Diaz to be head coach.
His time at Clemson was a mirage. Oh, he had a good defense with four 1st round defensive linemen playing against Boston College and Duke? NO WAY!!!! They won games against real opponents because of Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence.
Yawn. This has been covered, and you're completely wrong.
Advanced stats (SP+, FEI) had Venables defenses at OU in roughly the top 15 every year and mostly better.
Calling a 10 year run of top flight defenses a mirage is rich.
Since your particular complaint is that he didn't see good teams in the ACC, let's see how his defenses at Clemson did ONLY versus elite teams, in college football playoff games.
Year Semi-final Championship
2016 vs Oklahoma 17 vs Bama 45
2017 vs Ohio St zero vs Bama 31
2018 vs Bama 24
2019 vs ND 3 vs Bama 16
2020 vs Ohio St 23 vs LSU 42
2021 vs Ohio St 49Semi-final average 19
Championship 33
Overall average 25You may be right, Venables may be a terrible head coach at OU.
But it's not because he was a bad coordinator at OU or Clemson.
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22 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:
This is exactly wrong. In the last decade Texas has had multiple defensive coordinators who came in and had a good first season that then got worse as the league figured them out.
TCU's relative competence this year with a new defensive coaching staff and lesser recruiting talent supports your point
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15 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:
I’m not sure what Riley taking Caleb Williams has to do with their defense being completely fucking terrible.
And I don’t understand the whole “needs more time to install his defense.” What does that even mean? Practically every player OU has on defense was recruited by everyone. They have talent. As I said earlier, if what makes Venables’ defensive system work is having 5-star guys at every position and/or guys who have been in the system for 4 years then his system fucking sucks.
It’s not like they are having a few busts here and there… the defense has been completely mauled in 3 conference games.
He was supposed to be the guy who fixed *the defense* and it’s the worst part of the team by far.
Gabriel isn’t an elite QB by any means, but the offense was at least functional with him running it. Most teams are going to have a bit of a drop off to their backup QB, so I’ll cut them a little slack there.
I agree with several of your points, but there are nuances here.
1. Offense getting worse doesn't hurt the defense: True, but Lebby's brand of hurry-up to get 3-and-outs does hurt defenses. Plus, OU's explosive offense's under Riley also put pressure on opposing offenses to score. Riley purposely slowed his offense down to protect his defense.
2. "needs more time to install his defense": Also agree! But Venable's defense is very complex. He, like Saban, has many calls and wants to get to the perfect call. That said, why hasn't he simplified his defense and calls to come to his players level?
Also, let's remember, this is going downhill. The OU defense performance vs K-St was at least partially Adrian Martinez playing the game of his life. Venables response do this was to rip into his defense and create more physical practices. BAD IDEA that shows he lacks a basic understanding of psychology. The last 2 weeks have been the give up periods vs offenses that are increasing in proficiency.
3. "Gabriel isn’t an elite QB...I’ll cut them a little slack there.": Also agree that Gabriel's performance on 3rd down specifically vs K-St was the difference between OU winning and losing (there were several other ways for OU to win that game, but this is one). But I don't cut OU's offensive staff any slack for having NO BACK UP AT ALL READY to play. If there were such a huge drop off from Gabriel the other guys, the other guys should've played more during the 3 non-con blowouts. They should've had packages tailored for them specifically.
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The longterm viability of the OU program isn't dependent on one coach's success. The 1990s proved this (Gibbs-meh, followed by 4 yrs of awful). OU's still going to have tradition and border Texas.
The primary risk to OU's program is the unwillingness of the fanbase to get behind a big boy NIL program. The reasons for this are many and are rooted in the relative poverty of the fans and their entitlement due to two decades of continued success.
OU fans may need to taste several years of losing to appreciate the value of the work of recruits and team members.
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7 minutes ago, Skipper said:
Rattler as well. This shows how important it is to somehow/someway manage to keep a competent backup QB on roster at all times. We are lucky with Card this year and presumably Manning ok sitting as backup next. But probably needs to get to the point where teams that can pay a guy that could start at a lesser program NIL $$ to stick around. If you go into a season where former 3rd string at Pitt is your backup yesterday is what can happen.
Caleb Williams
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Mario Wms
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4 hours ago, Duane Moore said:
Throw Josh Heupel in there as well. 18 months out from inheriting a smoking crater in Knoxville and they are hosting a matchup of undefeated top ten teams next week against Bama with a real shot to win it.
Heupel is an example of what OU fans should be hoping for. Heupel was objectively a poor OC for the Sooners in the early 2010s (despite beatdowns of UT in the RRR). He was a safe, nepotistic hire. I was among many who wanted him gone (Riley replaced him).
Heupel integrated components of the Briles system into a coherent offense at Missouri. He parlayed success there into the UCF and Tennessee jobs.
Heupel grew as a coach. OU has to hope Venables grows as a coach too. Brent seems humble. There are obvious things he can do in one offseason to make big changes. Let's see if he's able to do them.
BTW, Heupel's probably NOT coming back to OU. There were apparently very hard feelings from his side when he left. I haven't heard anything about them being repaired.
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27 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:
Nah, rigged Midway rims/basketballs.
Those carnival games are always rigged. Lulz.
Look at his shot. It's not the rims.
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23 minutes ago, Bamboozled73 said:
Still can’t connect on the long balls…too soon?
Why's he jumping? Why's he jumping forward? Why's he turning his body?
Ugh
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Was working so didn't get to watch the game but followed the ass kicking on my phone.
Congratulations.
@Spider2YBanana : I think you're going to be able to collect soon.
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1 hour ago, taybo20 said:
OU was down 34-10 when Gabriel went out. If Bowman was that important, why was he returning kickoffs?
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23 hours ago, camel at sea said:
I think the two biggest areas of weakness are the interior of the OL and the LB group. The interior of the OL just isn't physically talented enough to be starting at a program like OU. Physically overmatched players make mistakes and commit penalties trying to compensate for their limitations. Bedenbaugh's reputation has been coasting off of those '17 and '18 OL groups for a long time now but I don't think BV/Lebby will put up with a unit like this year's for long. If you look back at OU's OL recruiting history, BB whiffed on every single OL recruit in both '18 and '19. Three current OL starters are portal guys. It's not a good situation and it's baffling that the OU fanbase overall keeps praising that guy so much.
The ILB thing is the opposite problem. The players are plenty talented physically but they haven't been playing Venables' scheme for long enough yet. K-State gave a blueprint for confusing those two guys. There's some hope that spot gets much better at some point but it might not happen this year. Both the ILBs were missing run fits and taking bad angles all night against EMAW.
You aren't the first to say this, but all of it rang true today.
Overall, the defense looks confused and defeated. There reports that that Venables yelled at them all week. It's not the right approach if you want to teach. Very early on, the team's at a crossroad.
TCU's not that good, but way better than OU.
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12 minutes ago, Pdawg88 said:
Go ahead sir.
OU sucks.
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5 minutes ago, Constant said:
Is TCU going to score 80?
at least
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7 minutes ago, Horn80 said:
It’s good for them
Laundry gets done early on Saturday.
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1 hour ago, lilMAC25 said:
McKade crushing Horned Frogs on that TD run.
OU sucks
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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:
My prediction is that they'll play boomer sooner a bunch regardless of what's happening on the field. Also fuck ou.
Do you like the Pokes' chances in Waco?
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4 minutes ago, ztejas said:
So according to an OU podcast their offense and defense is both terrible and OU should win convincingly.
The hosts are homers but are balanced. They've picked against OU and stated that the KSt game was a pick'em.
The Frogs advanced numbers are bad too. SP+ has OU -10, and FEI has OU -14.
They seem to match up poorly versus OU. I believe OU's average to good at all three levels on defense, but average DL should be enough vs TCU. If OU DL doesn't win the line, TCU's skill position strength may dominate. and my assumptions would recalibrate.
OU's offense has been good every game. TCU's defense doesn't match up well.
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1 hour ago, Pdawg88 said:
Bruh! Their QB is pretty mobile, that is why has killed us. If we only give up 21 points this weekend I will jerk off
The difference is between late pressure with blitzers who didn't get home and early pressure rushing 4.
Against KSt, OU rushed 4 or more and got zero sacks and few pressures on Martinez, who had his best game ever, outrunning OU DBs and dropping dimes.
Gabe and Teddy were comparing TCU's OL to Nebbs. IF the Frogs OL is that bad, the Sooners should be able to flush Duggan early. It'll be up to OU's LBs/safeties to clean up.
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5 minutes ago, Constant said:
We’re going to kick their ass.
Per the Ikard-Lehman podcast, the TCU OL is bad. Venables, historically and this year, has punished bad OLs. Per the same podcast, TCU's defense is trash, basically at all three levels. The Frogs are 94th in defensive FEI this week.
Sooners 56-21.
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44 minutes ago, utee94 said:
^^^^^^^
I'm just kidding by the way, I don't actually root for injuries on ANY team...
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