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Posts posted by quigley
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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:
I am not a huge fan of PA per se and I have personally published peer reviewed research on the topic. Utilization management has a place though. It is part of traditional medicare. It is part of MA. It is part of every socialized medicine system in the world. You are rolling out simple talking points.
You say you don't like it, but then it's ok cause everyone does it. Spoken like someone that's never had to have care denied or delayed.
And bullshit quoting op-eds written by a FRAUD. OpEd was co-written by the CEO of Kaiser, someone who would directly benefit from expansion of Medicare Advantage. Oz is a snake oil salesman of the highest order. Did you buy his diet pills too?
17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:The single biggest obstacle to overcome will always be the lobbyists.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/15/industry-rfk-donald-trump-hhs-00189674
And more bullshit. You think the lobbyists are the ones who don't want RFK? The lobbyists LOVE THE GRIFTERS. The grifters will take their money and do their bidding.
You think you're this contrarian thinker when you're the one who's been blinded.
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19 minutes ago, royiv said:
And that’s fair. It was hyperbole on the margin side, but it’s not false that a single health insurance company has the largest profits of any company in the healthcare space. I’m never going to see eye to eye with you on insurance companies. I’ve spent 25+ years battling them and have never dealt with one that worked in good faith. There is a spectrum of super shitty to pretty shitty and, unfortunately the biggest one out there throws its weight around to make things super shitty for provider groups.
Getting back to Oz, if he really wants to make a dent he will continue the Biden administration’s program of negotiating drug prices with pharma companies and extend the pricing to the all Americans. That would be a huge benefit.
The other thing is, health insurers NEVER LOSE MONEY. It's like is a utility...but of course it's not.
And you're right about negotiating drug prices. I've commented IRL that I think this is going to be rolled back to because pharma will throw some coins Trumps away.
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8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:
Probably time to stop drinking man. “What if the GOP does Medicare for all?” is an obvious cry for help.
Medicare Advantage is a scam that enriches insurance companies at the expense of govt and patient care. Privatization of the Veterans Admin is a comparable scam.
Trump would be smart to propose it because it's great marketing gimmick and would make him the messiah of the insurance industry. Trump will get huge kickbacks while the health of the country suffers.
The poster you're responding to has either drunk the kool-aid or doesn't have experience with real-life the system and he's flooding the zone with bullshit.
@956 Worldwide The big distinction is traditional medicare vs medicare advantage. The advantage program is just privatization of medicare.
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Just now, ChiTownDoc said:
Medicare advantage is trash compared to Medicare. Yeah I make a little more as a provider. But they cut patient benefits off all the time and if you want to appeal you appeal to a doc hired by the Medicare advantage doc. I think I know a little bit about this. I run one of the ten largest groups in the country serving seniors. Just a few million visits a year.
Frequently you get a nurse who doesn't know shit about fuck and who just wants to talk for the 10 min they need so they can justify a denial.
The overall cost to the system is increased because offices hire extra staff JUST TO COMPLETE PRIOR AUTHORIZATIONS. Doesn't even calculate the delay in patient care. Who cares about the patient anyway.
Medicare Advantage = privatizing social security.
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23 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:
FFS people why are you arguing Doctor Oz’ policy ideas and playing into that deflection? He’s a celebrity TV doc and it doesn’t make a shit what his policy ideas are, he has no business running the nation’s largest social benefit program. “Well Bob Vila knows his way around a job site, let’s hear his ideas for HUD.”
You're exactly right. It's all deflection and distraction.
Assholes who spout bullshit, like someone with Jimi as their avatar and Oz, are stalking horses for really bad stuff. But I know firsthand that the impact of these stalking horses. Their greed and cruelty hurt real people. To see a poster here supporting the prior authorization process is infuriating because it adds to the cost of health care and suffering to enrich insurance companies.
American life expectancy is lower than comparable countries already, and these idiots are only going to make it worse.
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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:
Objectively false. But again these are policy debates to be had.
Let me google this for you:
I work in this space you. Let me tell you how much people like having to change doctors because their advantage plan dictates it or if they like having meds rejected because prior authorizations. They don't.
Hartford benefits from this people don't.
5 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:Yeah and they enroll in plans that have shitty reimbursements and since they are run by private insurance companies, will often deny coverage
It's marketing.
You're right. He's wrong.
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9 minutes ago, G650 said:
So if anyone is in Miami, there is a place called El Carajo that has unquestionably the most legit paella I've ever seen outside of Spain. Seriously over the top good. But that is only half the story. It's changed a lot since I first learned of it, but originally it was wild as hell.
I found this place during a sailing event on Biscayne back about 15 years ago. I drove down from Virginia, and a girl who was sailing another class asked if I could tow her boat down for her. So when my crew and I got down there, she took us out to dinner as a thanks with some other sailors. One of the local hosts picked a place that did real large pan paella, you call in advance, tell them your party size and roll in. She text us the address and we head out. When we get to the place on the map, all I see is a gas station, so I'm like shit, we are in the wrong place. As soon as I start to drive off, I see her come out if the gas station quicky mart. I think to myself, wtf. So we park and go in, and literally through a gas station store, past the motor oil and the pork rinds, is a doorway to the most majestic wood paneled room with hundreds of bottles of wine. It's absolutely mind bending. Turns out the best Spanish restaurant in the states was in the back room a Miller Mart.
These days they actually took over damn near the whole building so it's not as wild. Still phenomenal food though.
My cousin just bought a condo down there. Will recommend it to her.
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Just now, Anastasis said:
That’s a debatable matter of policy. Over 50% of Medicare beneficiaries enroll in ma. If you want Medicare for all, ma is one pathway to that.
Bullshit. It's more expensive and provides worse coverage. Fuck off.
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8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:
ACA is not Medicare. But other than that, good post.
My mistake on the ACA.
You're right. Trump is going to expand Medicare... ADVANTAGE, which is just what Hartford wants.
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6 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:
Now all the upper-class people brag about how they were raised poor. (scroll up for several examples)
I resemble that remark !!!
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41 minutes ago, Captainant said:
Someone has to actually work in Jackson
They're brown now, just like everywhere else out West.
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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:
Oz ain’t gonna burn Medicare down. He was an ACA supporter and a Medicare advantage advocate. If anything he is probably inclined to expand Medicare access by removing or reducing the age in.
Trump Admin expanding ObamaCare!!!
Hartford will burn the WH down.
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1 minute ago, Dnaguy said:
This.
People elected a reality show personality and want their reality show presidency.Hes giving the people what they want.
The nerds have been running the show too long. Now it’s time for a president that promises to eliminate homework and make Friday a half day.
Yeah, listening to "Rest is History" podcast about the 1968 election, Nixon just about lost it to Humphreys because the Dem shitshow was apparently captivating that year.
Kamala should have lit a blunt on the All the Smoke pod. (I was half expecting her to take a puff)
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2 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:
There is no longer any doubt - this is a bit. These picks are for entertainment value only. It turns out Trump actually does have a sense of humor.
I've had a couple of Trump voters tell me they want him to be president because of the yucks.
Assholes are measuring drapes for the White House and lapping up my progressive tears.
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3 minutes ago, G650 said:
Sheeit. Spain crushes it.
My favorite country in the world. Paella, cafe, flan is a great baseline.
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5 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:
I’ve seriously never seen a white guy lay concrete. Is that even a skill Americans have?All the people I poured with in Oklahoma were White. I can still frame and smooth (not white though so okay to pay me less).
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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:
So what occurred to me was how recent hispanic immigrants knew how to be poor. They immediately knew to hit thrift stores, garage sales, etc. They would outfit a kitchen and clothe their family in the basics for a few bucks. That is because they often came from a place/culture where REAL poverty was ubiquitous.
COMPLETELY agree with first part of this and will add that, when I was growing up in the 1970, it was OK to admit you were poor.
At some point, being one of the "poors" became bad.
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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:
being honest. A cheap eats thread would be good.
Grad school diet: arroz, frijoles in a crockpot y huevos. Lots of tomatoes, oranges and peanuts. Fiesta market in HTown on $42 dollars a week. Went to Whole Foods one time because it was new and was with a rich friend. More than 80. Embarrassed, I paid it and vowed never to go there again.
Now I spent $40 buck for lunch a few times a month. I buy fresh squeezed OJ from Whole Foods and drink it while waiting in the checkout line. I'm embarrassed in the other direction.
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21 minutes ago, Brew said:
I can easily agree that his quote is a problem and it’s not a line of thought that normal people would take, but stretching it to “he wants her in front of a firing squad” based strictly on what he said is a bridge too far. There are plenty of people that would agree that politicians often take individual lives for granted in other countries wars while they sit behind their desks which is really the point he was making. Hell, it was a premise of the Democratic Party for some time.
@Biff Tannen - I don't surrender on the Cheney comment. @Incredulity is wrong. Watch the clip on Fox below.
Trump clearly creates a scene with violence towards a rival.
So 3 points:
1. Why is it that "the quote is a problem and not a line of thought for normal people"? Shouldn't we expect more from people who have a platform and the power to actually implement a firing squad?
2. Trump is a performer unlike most politicians. His words are spoken, not written so their effect and context changes because of speaking style. If you haven't seen the clip, it's worth looking at for context (below, starts at about 40 seconds).
There's a pause between "Let’s put her with a rifle, standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. Okay? Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face." Then comes "You know they’re all war hawks..."
The performance is worse than the words on the page.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvPIQSom0UI
3. Now that he's in power. I'm going to stop listening to Trump's words. This is because now he has the power to do things. When he was out of power words were his weapons. Now he has like real weapons. That's what I'm going to be focused on.
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5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:
I didn’t ask you to go one by one.
surrender on the “nazis are fine people” bullshit noted
So this is another elementary rhetorical technique called the Strawman Argument. Trump didn't say Nazis are fine people. I assume you know that. He said "you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
Trump's words that day were SO BAD that this is one of the few times he's actually given something like an apology. If you want to die on this hill, bless your heart.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116973/documents/HHRG-118-ED00-20240417-SD006.pdf
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1 minute ago, Brew said:
You can’t cherry pick one portion of the quote from the entire message. You lose context. Saying that she should be in front of a firing squad is different than what he actually said. Right off the bat, you don’t get a gun if you’re in front of the firing squad. The the part of what he said is below.
Liz Cheney is “a deranged person,” the GOP nominee said, “but the reason she couldn’t stand me is that she always wanted to go to war with people. I don’t want to go to war. She wanted to go – she wanted to stay in Iraq. I took them out. I mean, if [it] were up to her, we’d, we’d be in 50 different countries. She’s a radical war hawk.”
He then said, “Let’s put her with a rifle, standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. Okay? Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face. You know they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, ‘Oh, gee, well, let’s send, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy.”
Cool. You didn't answer the question.
When do you, in your personal life, tell people to have guns trained on people? If my child did that, they would be corrected. Adults don't use those words.
I understand your point about Trumps words being mischaracterized. But his speaks is ripe for mischaracterization because it's so meandering and disjointed.
Trump is evoking violence against a political rival. Why Cheney should be subjected to violence is besides the point. "Nine barrels," to me, means firing squad. Maybe I watched too many Hogans Heroes or something.
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Just now, Incredulity said:
Yes, yes I know its always nuance, subtext, and finely curated interpretation when a Democrat speaks.
Deflect and distract.
When do you actually defend his words? Do actually support those words or can you admit they're wrong?
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15 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:
Can you not read? He’s saying she should pick up a rifle and go fight the wars her chicken hawk ass supports.
Are we okay with
"nine barrels shooting at her" ?
I gave you the whole quote. When do you, in your personal life, tell people to have guns trained on people?
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
in Cloak Room
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I spoke to my friend who runs a PAC (along with 6 others I learned tonight). His PAC does GOTV nationally and they had money left over. Learned some stuff that was news to me. Sorry if some or all is common knowledge here.
Prior to June debate, internal polling had Biden with a small but consistent lead over Trump. The day after the debate, his PAC, including him, met with Biden campaign, and the campaign was insisting that everything was fine. The key data that convinced Biden to drop out was internal polling showing he was a huge drag on House races. Biden purposely waited to drop out to make sure Harris would be nominee. GOTV operation was underfunded in battlegrounds. He said only 1m was allocated to all GOTV in Philadelphia. He thinks Harris campaign spent too much on broadcast ads not enough on targeted ads and GOTV (not surprised by his bias re: GOTV). The counties he was personally responsible for in FL Harris mostly won or did better than expected.
The difference between internal and public polling is huge according to him. Internal polling has voter lists that they use to target calls. Internals are in the field longer and more persistent with call backs. They ask better, more targeted questions. They have a much larger sample size.
He was very disappointed, not a surprise. I was surprised by how much he wanted to talk.