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Posts posted by quigley
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3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:
He has. Can I see the entire quote about the firing squad?
"She's a radical war hawk," Trump said of Cheney. "Let's put her with a rifle standing there, with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face."
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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:
And your side was claiming Trump wanted a 1. national abortion ban and to have 2. Liz Cheney executed.
1. Trump may not want a national abortion ban, but a significant group of his underlying are interested in it. Comstock Act will be discussed and there's a significant chance it's implemented.
2. He's literally talked about putting her in front of a firing squad.
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2 hours ago, Pancho said:
I wrote a paper about this in grad school because I didn’t understand it either.
One word: exoticism
This paper also got me into researching why they call it “Ole Miss” and that led me to never calling it that again and always calling them their government name: Mississippi
If you have time, please expound on this, here or elsewhere. Is my hypothesis of changed "in group" wrong?
RE: mississippi: same
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10 minutes ago, Incredulity said:
…and everyone stood up and cheered.
I don't understand the text or context of this message.
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32 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:
Didn’t OU integrate with Gault, but then segregate after for a bit because their white players demanded it? Could have sworn I read that somewhere.
Prentice Gautt integrated OU football in the 50s. There are several stories of his teammates sticking up for him.
I don't know of stories saying teammate demanded segregation.
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16 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:
lol. No blacks because they weren’t allowed buddy. And we paid pretty well at OU without all the confederate flags.
edit: imagine hanging around where your parents and grandparents were enslaved. JFC
Umm, you're supporting my point.
OU still had/has a lot of racism but was providing opportunity in the early 1970s. Switzer's success at that time was predicated on Texas football powers under-recruiting Black athletes in Texas. By the late 70s, Earl Campbell, et al were fueling the restoration of UT football to a nationally relevant program.
Your point about Black athlete anxiety about going to the South is correct. There are several histories of the USC-Alabama game that describe this.
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Just now, ChiTownDoc said:
Not today. Going back a generation. I said I get why they play in the SEC today. 50 years ago things were much worse and you had many children of actual slaves alive.
1960s: no Blacks in SEC / SWC
1970 and onward: Famously, they were getting paid to play in the SEC / SWC.
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47 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
Oh god dammit. I’ve been agreeing with a god damn sooner this whole time? Well now I have to rethink everything.
JK…but I do hope yall lose every game in everything forever.
OU's a softball and gymnastics school now.
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41 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:
I’ve always been fascinated how the Deep South can attract so many black athletes. Now in today’s game that’s the best football and highest chance to get you into the NFL. It wasn’t always like that and the racism was much more virulent, yet so many black athletes were still committing to entertain those fucksticks.
36 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:Definitely a big part of it I’d bet. And lack of education, sadly. Maybe some Stockholm Syndrome…
lucky guess…edit:
Stockholm syndrome (STS) is a theory that the relationship between a slave and a master can evolve into feelings of gratitude and positive regard. In the context of the African-American experience, some say that the relationship between slaves and masters in the US became one of dependence and childlike attachment. They argue that the educational system can help to reduce the effects of this relationship, but only if it reflects an Afrocentric perspective.
This isn't Stockholm Syndrome. It's a change in identity, a change in who athletes self-perception of their "in group." And it's not just Black American athletes. Famously, Neymar is a Bolsonaro supporter. It's similar to Black police officers who'll tell you they aren't black any more, their Blue.
The in group for Black athletes is monied interests with status.
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13 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:
My uncle just went through all the documentation. He was getting dementia and had a legit case from where/when he served. My aunt, a retired education administrator in California, tried to help him navigate through all of the different doctor clearances and red tape. He was finally approved a month after he died. While she was angry, really she was just more sad. I think she did receive a folded flag though, so he was given a military burial. The system does need reform, but Trump isn't going to care since the wounded and POWs were losers in his book.
I 100% agree with you both. I also am very familiar to the VA system. To me, VA benefits should be given to all who served without means testing. We WANT to care for our vets because they cared for us.
I used to be a great example of a unified health care system. That was back in the 1980s. The erosion begin in 1990s when we thought that one of the spoils of winning to Cold War was going to be no more wars so smaller military. Yeah, right.
The VA has been in a death spiral since. Unable to hire because poor pay so vets don't come so smaller visit numbers justifying further cuts in services. This splashed onto the scene in 2013 and 2014 with tragic deaths due to delayed care. And the response with the Veterans Choice program which pumped more money into the program initially but also allowed veterans benefits to be used at non-VA facilities. John McCain spearheaded the Choice program as a stopgap, but because our politics is broken, it was obvious that this would accelerate the demise of the VA.
Trump made it easier to go outside the VA for care in 2017, and his administration is going to kill the VA, which is bad. Veterans have special needs, and the VA had served those needs well. Another terrible decision for those who voted for the "face-eating leopards party" (FELP).
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1 minute ago, G650 said:
Definitely.
My Sooners are making it really easy to check out on football and basketball right now
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2 minutes ago, Hammerin Hank said:
Come on man. This is silly. Yes there are dumb fucks that are athletes and sports fans. There are also plenty of intelligent athletes and fans. Sports are for everyone.
Let’s get this thread back to leopards eating faces.
We all need diversions. Watching sports is a harmless one, but not an additive one. Additive diversions build value into your life. If you watch sports with a community it can be additive, but not as much as playing sports with a group.
I've backed off watching sports. I'm playing them more.
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36 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
Sort of a sidetrack here, but the amount of money spent on and in sports (I suppose this applies to other forms of entertainment, too) has always disturbed me.
What is really the opium of the people?
Non-Americans have long been perplexed by the American focus on sports. In the past, I used to say that sports was our tribalism. We had our fights between the lines on the field instead of in the streets.
Now that some people view politics as entertainment, I wish that the opium of sports was enough.
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Just now, G650 said:
Wat
A lot of "working class" people have 401k's with stock investments and feel good when they see stock indices rise.
My phrase is designed to alert them to the fact that their future returns won't address their current short falls, with rhyme.
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27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
It seems the single most insidious thing here is the thought that Republicans, and Donald Trump in particular, are good for the economy no matter what batshittery they propose.
Yeah, GOP is great for the economy, if you measure it by Dow Jones and number of private jet flights.
Democratic messaging needs to be
CORPORATE WELFARE PAID FOR BY YOU --- 50,000 times per day, by every elected official and surrogate.
When they say what about 401k, Dems say 401k ain't buying my eggs today and with inflation it ain't gonna be worth nothin anyway
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8 hours ago, Anastasis said:
I think that there are a lot of good public policy reasons to make it a tax credit. If you want to debate that it should be a refundable tax credit, I am open to the notion. Certainly a caregiver refundable tax credit would be better public policy than some of the other refundable credits.
The goal is to help the families who need the most help. The families who need the most help are the poorest, and thus frequently don't pay taxes. If you have an adult with disability, you likely making less money to begin with. Plus, stress of care is hard to measure and drains earning capacity.
Why not give direct payment for care provided? This is already done by some states and works really well. Harris's plan would've given payment.
I don't think Trump's plan, if his administration acts on it, will help the people who need it the most.
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3 hours ago, Anastasis said:
There is nothing in there about paying family members to be caregivers. That seems to a connection being made that is not explicitly part of what Kamala proposed. It doesn’t matter. It’s not a big deal. I just thought I missed something.
ETA: WRT to family caregivers, here is Trump's proposal to provide a tax credit to family caregivers:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/28/politics/family-caregivers-trump-tax-credit/index.html
Jumping into this conversation late.
Problem with tax credits is that disability drains families' ability to earn so they don't make enough money to really benefit from tax breaks.
If this has been covered, lo siento.
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15 minutes ago, linux said:
Yeah people are such dirty liars too, just say you want trump because he entertained you, don't say he "doesnt really mean that!" its like people gain satisfaction that they think they know Trump, that they are smarter than he is and he is funny! Like ideocracy squared.
I have heard several people say that Trump is entertaining and they like that in their politics. Truth be told, his first presidency didn't do much because they were so incompetent.
If they have a trifecta (pray no) + a compliant SCOTUS (which they do), it will be FAFO time.
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26 minutes ago, linux said:
Four -Five years ago I openly stated that any one of the democratic candidates in that podium would beat Trump the pandemic was RAGING, the important question was what came after, I opposed Biden because I saw him as weak and in love with the status quo, the chickens came home to roost. The failure was the presidency, the failure was playing the game with the economic elites, the failure was allowing republican blocking to shackle him. Biden needed to be the most "I will fight for you president in history!" instead he was "I will work with Republicans!" Now I even wonder if we will have fair and free elections anymore.
The funny thing is that "identity politics" got us Joe Biden.
I know one of the principles of a Democratic PAC. He openly stated they were supporting Biden because Dems needed an old White dude to beat the GOP old White dude. There was no one in that lane in 2020 other than Joe and Bernie. And Bernie ain't getting (or taking) PAC money.
Biden's mistake was not stepping away after the MID-TERMS. He was clearly declining physically. He could've gone out on top. Harris would be president for 2 years. I think Harris would have done a better job on Gaza and promoting the good policies the Biden administration achieved.
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20 minutes ago, linux said:
We need to talk about the only thing people care about, their pocket book, its the economy stupid in the 90s was about the stock market and macro stuff, but right now it is poverty. I hope Trump carries out the mass austerity Musk wants. Its the only way to jarr people to reality. the GOP is a pro poverty party, income inequality is now at a fever pitch.
One other thing that politics has become is entertainment. Having someone with comedic skills fits this environment really well.
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18 minutes ago, Incredulity said:
It was offered in earnest. Although I don’t begrudge the interpretation, as we are where we are.
Nah dude. We're constantly changing. Entropy around us and aging within.
Are you going to get worse, more cynical and jaded? Or are you going to try to be a helper? Someone who can make things better?
The goal is 1% better each day.
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7 minutes ago, troph said:
Very true. Hopefully most of us will reengage when the time comes but for now fuck it, fuck all of it. There’s not much to do for 18 months but cringe and wince and hope the worst he promised doesn’t happen.
The next 18 months is when you show up in your community to prove that you're there help, not just get the vote.
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26 minutes ago, Incredulity said:
Leftist Fan Fiction Storytime Thread: Come for shit that never happened, stay for the pants pissing.
You voted for Trump (I assume), a tremendous bullshitter. Because he's a bullshitter, does that mean everyone is a bullshitter? Do you constantly lie in your everyday life?
The conversation I had was tremendously banal. What makes it seem embellished?
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1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:
It’s unfortunate that the republican leaders and media can throw vitriol and be condescending to anyone they want and have little blowback and the Dems have to take the high road to win. But, same as it ever was.
Two answers:
1. The media ecosystem has allowed revanchist bullying. @RabidM is right. There needs to be a counterbalance.
2. @linux is on the right track with his idea about Al Franken (but Al's washed sadly). The way to beat the bully is with humor. There are plenty of lefty comedians who are smart and sharp. We need to recruit one to run for congress in 2026 and president in 2028.
The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread
in Cloak Room
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First, as has been pointed out, Biden was talking about moving the focus of the discourse back to Trump rather than to his leaving the race (reference below).
More importantly, you frequently use a rhetorical device know as "tu quoque." I don't know how to speak French or Latin so if I discuss this in conversation, I say "what-about-ism". It's a technique that's frequently used to avoid discussing weak positions.
I *wish* people, especially the lawyers here, would call you out on it because it hides 2 important facts:
1. you know your position is weak
2. you know your position is wrong
But people here let you slide. Biden apologized for his use of the word "bullseye." Did Trump apologize for any of his ridiculous claims? Trump's rhetoric was associated with increase hate speech and vandalism after his 2016 win. We're waiting for the repercussions of his stupid words just like we're waiting for his stupid policies.
I will call you out on your weak sauce rhetoric because it's boring. If you want to discuss things, man up and defend is dumb words.
According to Politico, Mr Biden had said on a private donor call: "I have one job, and that's to beat Donald Trump. I'm absolutely ceain I'm the best person to be able to do that. So, we're done talking about the debate. It’s time to put Trump in a bullseye."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1rzde0n4do