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  1. 47 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    Vaccine mandates work.  

     

    “In the heated debate over vaccine mandates, science and logic have often been lost amid politics and fear” 

     

    It’s like he’s talking about you PW. Although I’d add spite is part of what drives your positions. 
     

    Vaccine mandates work you cry, like the “I’m doing my part” gif. They work forcing people to take a vaccine. But it’s no longer necessary to force outliers to comply and it’s not worth the societal disruption, animus, and distrust it creates even among those already vaccinated. The conditions and data have changed, as laid out in the column.
     

    Unfortunately for you, you’re losing the argument. As an example the healthcare workers mandate re-instated but I can tell you at least where I work all hospital systems are just doing a check the box survey about your status. And two of the systems are part of national publicly traded companies. They’re handing out exemptions without questions. Is that because of manpower issues? Partially I’m sure. But I bet the CMOs that sit on the committees addressing national and local policy see the data and understand that the logic behind them no longer holds up. 
     

    If mandates are necessary and make sense then Biden should push hard on enforcement of the ones he’s instated and expand requirements further. Boosters work. Mandates work. Let’s mandate boosters. Let’s keep not fully vaccinated from air travel. Go for it. 

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  2. 3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

    Post fringe waco article. Get called out on it. Cry about it. 

    Why are you ant-vaccine mandate? Is it just Covid or does this include all vaccines? Do you think every person should be able to decide which vaccines are necessary and which ones are not? 

     

     

    I didn’t cry about it. I was laughing at her. 
     

    I’m not a fan of mandates generally, but the Covid vaccine is definitely a different animal than other vaccinations. 
     

    I started laying out why the Covid vaccine is different but then I realized a lot of the points were in the column I shared. I don’t feel duplicating a lot of it. Feel free to read and challenge the points included there.

     

     

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  3. 18 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:


    Peter Attia? Let’s check him out.

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    -Left medicine to work for fucking McKinsey
    -Makes a living as a “medical influencer” on social media and a podcast
    -Peddles junk pseudo-science and fad diets
    -Has been a “medical expert” guest of “The Joe Rogan Experience” and Gwyneth Paltrow’s GOOP podcast

    I think I’ll pass.

    When my priors are challenged, I go to a credential check first as well. Smart move. That way you never find out you’re losing the argument. 

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  4. 55 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    Also, from the "people are pretty much fucking over it" anecdotes, was at a musical at Winspear in Dallas over the weekend with my wife.  Both pre-show and during intermission, overheard numerous conversations among people bitching about Covid policies of "mask worn all times inside theatre" which meant you weren't allowed to bring drinks in which of course meant people had to pound them or waste them.  Noticed the bartender reminding people of the policy and asked if he had a lot of people wait in line and change their mind.  He said yeah but we had so many pissed off people trying to get refunds after not realizing until trying to walk in we have to tell everyone up front.

    Nonsense. Imagine how much safer it would’ve been if every man, woman, and child had to scan a QR code verifying their vaccine status before being allowed to enter.

     

    In all seriousness it is a great column. Very hard to poke holes in it. The only one I can think of that he didn’t address was the whole unvaccinated people are source of mutations argument. But again we’re talking about maybe 10% of American adults that are unvaccinated and not previously infected. How much more replication really occurs in them than the millions of vaxxed that are getting infected? It’s a such a small differential that you’re trying to stamp out. And that’s without mentioning worldwide unvaxxed populations that are a much bigger vector for mutation that remains no matter how many people we vaccinate here under threat of unemployment or being excluded socially. 

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  5. On 1/21/2022 at 10:18 AM, Shady Ray said:

    Well, I guess it is Friday, and apparently some of y'all find this stuff interesting, so I figured what the hell, I will just go straight to the best that I got. 

     

    Wife's mother is not even close to the most interesting story.

     

    Wife's mother's father is.

     

    Spoilered for those who don't care, and it is a bit off topic.

     

    TLDR: Between the years 1941-1948, wife’s maternal grandfather was a Red Army conscript, a German POW, a Wehrmacht soldier, a US POW, and a US Army employee. And he was the baddest motherfucker that I have ever met.

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    Let’s just call him Klaus. He was born in the late 1910s outside of Prokrovsk, Russia (Kosakenstadt in German), which is now known as Engels, in the Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. He was the 3rd oldest of 9 children…the oldest male. Here is the location of the Volga German ASSR.
     

     

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    As a young man in his early 20s, he worked in Engels as a heavy machinery mechanic, but with war breaking out in Europe, and being the Soviet cannon fodder demographic that he was, he was called up to the Red Army in late 1940/early 1941. When Hitler invaded, he was thrown towards the front and was eventually taken POW by the Germans at the Battle of Smolensk in July of 1941. As he used to say, up until that point in his life, the day he was captured was the most unfortunate day of his life, and for the rest of his life, it was the luckiest.
     

    Three weeks later, Stalin purged the Red Army of its Volga German elements (along with the Black Sea Germans) and sent them to Soviet work camps in Kazakhstan. During those same days, the Soviets came to the Volga German ASSR and forcibly deported the entirety of the Volga German population, including his family. They had less than 3 hours to prepare for the forced removals. His father was killed during this process, and his mother and sisters and his youngest brother were sent by open air train to Siberia in the most inhumane conditions imaginable, while his other brother, 3 years younger, was sent to the Soviet work camps in Kazakhstan. His mother didn’t survive the deportation and died in the cold en route to Siberia. They apparently threw her dead body off the train without stopping.

     

    Of course, he didn’t learn any of this until much, much later in his life, which we will get to. 

     

    They didn’t speak at all Russian growing up, as the Soviets allowed the German ASSR full independence to maintain their language, religion and culture. They didn't intermarry with the Russians and they were as German as anyone in the Reich. However, after Klaus had already left, Stalin decreed in the Fall of 1941 that German was banned and the use of Russian was made obligatory. Throughout his long life in Bavaria, he learned Russian because he maintained some type of far-fetched dream that he would some day meet his siblings again, even though those odds were essentially zero. Even when I first met him, he would regularly practice his Russian with others in the area, even going to a Russian Orthodox church from time-to-time down the street to keep sharp, and I always found it to be heartbreaking. My mother-in-law would always talk about what a waste of effort that was, particularly as he was never going to go to Russia, as until his last breath he feared that he would be forcibly detained if he ever visited, pursuant to Stalin’s almost rabid obsession to see all former Russian Germans returned from the west. Even when we talk about him now, years after his death, every single time my in-laws say, "Outside of Josef Stalin, nothing and no one ever scared him."
     

    Anyway, by late 1941, his status as a German POW had changed, and he had been conscripted into a Wehrmacht division comprised primarily of captured Red Army/Red Army deserter ethnic Germans from the Volga region and other non-German volunteers (Hiwis) and, while fighting as part of the Wehrmacht as they moved through Eastern Europe, he took a bullet through the right side of his upper chest, and one across the front of his neck, leaving a bad scar and a really raspy voice. Fortunately for him, he sustained those injuries within a month from Stalingrad kicking off, a battle which - given his regiment - he would have been in. He slowly recovered from his wounds away from the lines back towards Central Europe, and was then put back to work through the later stages of the war fighting through the Balkans. 
     

    When the war was clearly a lost cause, he said “fuck this” and found his way to Vienna, where he had a terrible time trying to connect with a distant relative whom he had never met, and then ultimately came on up to Bavaria. I never understood what caused this decision and I can’t figure out why he made this move. I hate that I don’t know. I have almost all of the records required to verified this entire deal, but why he chose Bavaria was one of the few things I never got the chance to clarify. All I know is that he hated the Austrians for how they treated him in Vienna during the latest stages of the war, and I imagine that perhaps moving on to Germany was a better choice for a volksdeutscher (Volksdeutsche being Germans from outside the Reich, Reichsdeutsche being Germans from within it).

     

    Anyway, at Stunde Null ("Zero Hour"), which is what the Germans still call midnight of May 8th, 1945 - the moment the war was over - he was in a new city, he had no home city to return, no way to know what happened to his family, and he now occupied the lowest of the German post-war caste… refugee Volksdeutsche. Stalin had revoked the citizenship of Russian Germans in the West, and the Reich hadn't ever bestowed it to them, so he was a stateless (until 1948), family-less man - in a country where there wasn’t enough food and housing situation was all blown to hell (German residents were forced by the transitional authorities/caretaker Allies to house and board other Germans, which was a socially tedious situation at the beginning, and it was even worse for those ethnic germans streaming in from Czechoslovakia, Poland or Russia, as no one wanted them).

     

    Klaus surrendered to the US Army in Landsberg, Bavaria in 1945, where he was held as a POW along with thousands of other ex-Wehrmacht. He was eventually transferred and spent 6 months in the displaced persons camp there before being hired by the US Army to do support tasks in the newly established heavy machinery shops in Bavaria. He had the mechanical skills and, due to his status as a Volga German, was deemed to be at very low risk of needing de-Nazification in the time before the de-Nazification process petered out, as to be honest, the Volga Germans didn’t really have a connection to the Reich the way the Sudeten did. They were just kinda fucking around over there just bein’ Germans in damn-near Kazakstan growing watermelons, as they had been doing since Catherine the Great.

     

    He worked for the US Army for three years, striking up close transactional relationships with some black GIs stationed there, where he basically thrived off of some type of side-hustle where he traded cigarettes that were rationed to him by the US Army (he didn’t smoke) for extra food, as calories were in terribly short supply for German men at the time. He said it was some kind of three way deal where gas/cigarettes and food were shuffled around on a barter economy between the black GIs and the local employees…I never quite got the full scope of that, as my German wasn’t completely proficient when we discussed this, but I do know that he really liked the black dudes that he met from the US and always spoke fondly of them. He said they were the first black guys he had ever met and they were apparently real characters.
     

    He appreciated the Americans more than we can even imagine...they saved his life, as he said, and with his US Govt paycheck and food rations, he went from the lowest of the low in German society, to a big swinging dick around the Displaced Persons scene in Landsberg, where he met his wife - my wife’s grandmother - who as mentioned had been displaced from the Sudetenland with her sisters and mother. He was a really funny guy who swore that the food the black dudes gave him was the key to get any woman in the camp. 
     

    Klaus was a born hustler and found his way to a BMW when it re-opened after the war and after his work for the Americans ended. He started there in 1948 when they started building motorcycles. He got a job on the shop floor, where he worked until he retired in 1980, rising to floor management and he counted his greatest achievements as working on the rollout of the BMW 502, which he said gave him the first real sense of pride he ever felt. He talked about the 502 as though it was the child that he himself birthed.

     

    Here is the 502. Fucking sharp looking ride. 

     

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    On the home-front, Klaus was the only man who wasn’t completely mind-fucked in his entire familial orbit after the war. He took care of a shitton of random little Sudetendeutschers that passed through his house for long extended stays from his wife’s side, as their dads were either dead or mindfucked. He worked like a sharecropper during the day, only to then come home and fix neighborhood cars for extra cash. The garage at his place, which is down the street from my own house, has a maintenance pit dug underneath with a ladder so he could pull neighborhood cars in and change their oil and do some limited maintenance, just like at the auto shop. Dude was relentless.
     

    When I met him he was in his 80s and strong as an ox, as he was until the day he died. He had no hesitancy talking about the war and, in fact, almost every story over dinner started with, “In 1940-something, we were in blah blah blah.” It was awesome and it drove my wife and in-laws crazy, but I could only imagine how jam packed with experiences those 4 years must have been, so I encouraged it and we would talk for a couple of hours after every meal, which usually occurred a couple of times per week. Every time, after his last bite, he wold put down his silver, wash it all down with a big gulp of weißbier, sigh, and say, “phhhhhh...In 194X, I was in...” and off he would go with a story that would lead to God knows where. Wife and mother-in-law would pull the “sigh…papaaa/opaaa, bitte nicht” and he would just calmly and lovingly respond “be quiet, mädchen", which they obediently did...because he was Motherfuckin' Klaus and he had a story to fuckin' tell. I loved it.

     

    In his mind, his "people" had nothing to do with all of the shit that went on, so he was just a participant in it and felt no guilt. He was completely resilient and spoke about the war as though it was just something one experienced. He would tell you a story about getting free ice cream at some spot along the Eastern Front in the same exact tone as he would tell you a story about burying a captain who had hung himself overnight. But he took me through his maps and his records and all of his awards and commemorative items and I loved every minute of it. 

     

    But I will close this out with the part of the story that I got to witness, which was one of the wildest things I have ever experienced.

     

    On his 90th birthday, three years before he died, we had a huge lunch for him at his house. All of the family came from all over Germany…all those little Sudetendeutschers who came in and out of his house in the 50s and 60s who had now become grandparents in their own rights and all their kids…it was a great experience. Klaus was so happy and was in his element…holding court in one corner of the house, only to then move to another corner and hold court a little more with the relatives from another place, only to go to his garage and show the men some vintage BMW hub caps that he took from the factory. Whatever he did, it was fun and it was interesting. There were probably 35, 40 people there. What Klaus didn’t know was that the Red Cross had contacted my mother-in-law two months before this party with the information that his younger sister, one of the ones who had been sent off to Siberia, had survived the whole fuckin’ Cold War in the Russian East and had migrated back to Germany as part of the German government’s initiative to allow them to come to Germany after the USSR collapsed. She had contacted the Red Cross to help her find him, which they did.

     

    After the party ended (it was a daytime ordeal), the immediate family along with a couple of the closer-knit “Münchener” branch went to a very nice local bierhall for dinner. We had a private room and when we walked in, my mother-in-law had set it up that his sister, along with her only child, a son, would be in there waiting for him. He walked in, saw her, wondered who the fuck the old lady was crashing his birthday party room, and then was told who it was. Klaus seemed to be happy every minute of his life…but that minute that he saw his sister who had been separated from him for 65 years was the happiest I had ever seen him. They laughed and cried and talked and talked forever… in Russian, thus vindicating his efforts to learn the language over all those years, as the Volga Germans were prohibited from speaking German and most of them lost the ability to do so. For the next three years until his death they spoke almost every day by phone, in Russian, meeting up multiple times per year. He learned what happened to his family, and he even was able to speak regularly by phone to his younger brother who had been shipped off to the Kazak labor camps, who the sister had previously found. The brother had remained in Kazakhstan after being released from the work camps and settled there, like many of the Volga German men who were sent to the camps did. He even got a picture of him in the mail and it was framed on his bedside the day Klaus died. I am lucky enough to have photos of the entire deal and it was one of the most noteworthy things that I ever experienced.
     

    But what I will remember most about that day was the drive home from the bierhall. We had taken two cars and I was driving my wife and mother in law. On the way home, everyone was tired after that long day and it was quiet on the ride. When we got closer to the house, I asked my mother-in-law if Klaus' sister and her son would be staying with my in-laws/Klaus at their place, as they have plenty of space for guests. 
     

    And in her little voice coming from the back seat, “Of course not. They’re Russians…they’ll steal our shit.”

     

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    thanks for sharing 

  6. 4 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

    The Fed turned off the $120 billion a month subsidy to the markets (in place since March 2020) and intends to raise rates several times this year to combat inflation (which hurts tech that relies on cheap financing).
     

    Chairman Powell (Repub) has turned hawkish. 
     

    I guess we could blame Biden for renominating Powell as the Fed Chair, but the nation made it clear they are scared of inflation.
     

    This is the inflation medicine - Paul Volcker style.  

    Yes, Volcker style. Lol. Imagine comparing stopping QE and then 3 forecasted rate hikes from 0% next year to what Volcker did. Hoo boy. This ain’t the medicine. This is a telegraphed, half assed attempt, but it won’t get too far. 

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  7. 6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    And the closest labcorp to CWP is 3 blocks away. They have appts available at 11:15AM on Monday. 

    Thanks Biden.  
     

    15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I haven't seen APH make this distinction.  If the data from other regions that do report it in that way are applicable here, probably 50/50.  

    I figured. 
     

    I can’t believe that 2 years in there’s still people and media outlets trying to alarm people about kids and Covid. 

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  8. 31 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

    Meanwhile Austin hospitals are filling up with kids with Covid. 

    AUSTIN, Texas — Austin Public Health reports that COVID-19 infections among children are rising and that in the past two weeks, 91% of the children admitted to our pediatric hospitals were unvaccinated.  

    APH said only 26% of children in Austin-Travis County have been fully vaccinated, compared to a vaccination rate of more than 70% in the general population of the city and county.

    Admitted for Covid?
     

    The kid fear mongering is so tired. Nobody that has half a brain or has had any kids that have had Covid is scared of them getting it. 

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  9. 3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

    It's almost as if they created broad, sweeping policies (think shotgun rather than rifle) to deal with an emergency situation, like, I dunno, a GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

    2 year in is an emergency? Others have adjusted. We haven’t.
     

    Why does CDC still recommend masking down to 2 years old almost 2 years in?

     

     

    8 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

    The incidence of myocarditis in young males is higher in young males who actually get COVID than that get it from the vaccine, as a Joe Rogan video upstream in this thread showed.  You might want to rethink this argument based on that data.  

    From the discussion I posted above.

    What still boggles my mind, is when you just do the simple math using the German studyof infection-hospitalization rates in healthy children, you get a 1/2400 chance a healthy 12-17 year old will be hospitalized for COVID-19 requiring specific covid treatment (this eliminates incidental hospitalizations) and, now with omicron, that is likely around 1/5000 risk (or lower) and yet the rate of symptomatic post vax myocarditis after dose 2 in this age group is around 1/3000 (see below) and yet so few seem to be questioning dose 2 for them (when mathematically it’s the wrong decision), let alone dose 3, which seems a clear mistake to mandate without evidence of benefit. And the most recent NEJM study of vaccines in children found dose 1 may actually alone have all of the benefit in terms preventing hospitalizations (see Figure 2, which is shown below). These are important details that should be used to minimize harm.”


    This data is all out there. 

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  10. 2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

    I'm not arguing for anything, other than when it comes to policy decisions on who should be vaccinated and whether vaccination should be mandatory, I want to hear what the scientists are going to recommend, and not some random person named after a Miami Vice character on a message board filled with assholes.

    Our scientists/policy makers are very questionable, or sussy if you have kids. Does anywhere else recommend masking down to the age of 2 like our CDC does? I don’t think so. Schools were closed here longer than most of the rest of the world.
     

    As far as vaccinations go, we just have blanket recommendations, vaxx and boost everyone the same. Except we haven’t recommended boosting 5-11 year olds yet I believe. But all over the world there are reasonable modifications around policy based on science. No shots in young children.  Not boosting teens. One shot after infection for teens. Recognizing natural immunity officially. No Moderna under 30. Do these different countries have bad science? Or are they actually following science related to a disease and vaccine that affects different portions of the population differently?

     

    Plenty of people can see that a lot of these things don’t make sense from just a common sense perspective like masking 3 year olds. Or keeping schools closed to protect adults. How does that affect confidence in policy makers? I’ll let you guess. 

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  11. A good discussion on evidence for masks, closures, etc. 

     

    25 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

    Immaculate will continue to post anti-vaccine bullshit forever. The end game of Covid is his time to shine 

    I’m anti-mandate, anti-vax pass, anti blanket policy for all ages and populations.  I said the vast majority should’ve been vaccinated rather than waiting to contract Covid naturally first. I doubt these are considered anti-vax positions much outside of CR. 

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  12. 2 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    Documented COVID.  Do you not see the issue with that given the testing apparatus that is still not sufficient to deal with this shit two years into the pandemic? 

    Also, stop bitching about boosters in college students.  Colleges have been mandating vaccines and proofs of vaccines for ages.  

     

    Again, not the same. Do any other vaccines have a complication rate as high for something serious like myocarditis? Conservative estimate of 1 in 3-6,000 of the young male cohort that these mandates in part target. Let me help you out, no other vaccines do. For a virus that causes them minimal harm and the vast majority have already been exposed to. And you can still pop positive eventually. Dumb policy. 

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  13. 7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    Unfortunately, the unvaxxed will continue to be a problem.  We actually do not know if the next variant will be less deadly (a la Omicron), or will combine the severity of Delta with the ability to escape immunity (both vaxxed and prior infection) like Omicron.

    Hospitals are still full of unvaccinated people, and our health care system cannot take much more.  If you do not realize how incredibly selfish and idiotic the unvaxxed are, then I cannot help you.  

    I also find it funny that you think I am pissed and vengeful.  I am tired of those of us who did the right thing paying for those that don't.  

    Unvaxxed are running about 60-65% of Covid admissions this wave. 

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  14. 21 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    Which is why the policy decision of vaccine mandates makes sense, especially given the lack of testing early in the pandemic and the advent of home testing.  

    This isn’t last January or March. The landscape and numbers have changed. You’re living in the past. It doesn’t make sense to mandate people that have already had documented Covid get vaccinated or be punished. Especially young people. The risk/benefit is not there imo. Especially how some of the whacked out colleges are mandating boosters in students. And that’s without touching school aged children. 
     

    15 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    I think this is the key difference between a lot of people on this forum.  You are still pissed and vengeful about the past.  In my mind it is what it is and at this point I'm only worried about policy beginning 3/1 when this wave has swept through.

    Precisely. Data is catching up more and more to what a lot of people have suggested for many months regarding natural immunity. Some people and posters have prefer to leave head in sand. 
     

    One other key point from that study. 
     

    Among the two cohorts with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, no consistent incidence gradient by time since the previous diagnosis was observed.” 
     


    It shows much less waning over time. 

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  15. On 1/19/2022 at 2:16 PM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    Anti-vaxx assholes do impact my life.  Anti-vaxx idiots are protesting all over New York City and have been since the vaccine passports and mandates started.  They choose to remain unmasked and unvaxxed, so yeah, they fucking impact my life and everyone else who lives here.  

    Most of the unvaxxed by now have recovered from Covid. And i regret to inform you PW, that even the CDC is admitting the superiority of natural immunity. They aren’t stating it, but it’s what their most recent data shows. 
     

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm


    From May to November data in California and your beloved New York. Once Delta took over, naturally recovered, but unvaccinated were better across both cases and hospitalizations than two shots and never infected. 
     

    “For example, during the week of October 3, compared with rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, rates among vaccinated persons without a previous diagnosis were 6.2-fold lower (95% CI = 6.0–6.4) in California and 4.5-fold lower (95% CI = 4.3–4.7) in New York (Table 2). Further, rates among unvaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 29-fold lower (95% CI = 25.0–33.1) than rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis in California and 14.7-fold lower (95% CI = 12.6–16.9) in New York. Rates among vaccinated persons who had had COVID-19 were 32.5-fold lower (95% CI = 27.5–37.6) than rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis in California and 19.8-fold lower (95% CI = 16.2–23.5) in New York.”

     

    “During October 3–16, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates were 19.8-fold lower (95% CI = 18.2–21.4) among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, 55.3-fold lower (95% CI = 27.3–83.3) among unvaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, and 57.5-fold lower (95% CI = 29.2–85.8) among vaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis.“

     

    The effect of being vaxxed after recovering was quite minimal. None of this is to say that people, especially elderly or with co-morbidities, should seek out getting infected over getting vaccinated. They should get vaccinated. It’s just more evidence that excluding people from society or firing them when they are unvaxxed despite being infected is nonsensical.
     

    As more people see this kind of data along with the all the breakthrough infections from omicron that have followed this data, these mandates will be less and less popular.


    This all has the caveat that there is no booster data yet and we aren’t discussing booster mandates. No one here will say they want mandates to include boosters.

     

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