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  1. 6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Well, I opened the door for you to show me that error of my ways but so far crickets.

    Wow. There was like 10 minutes between posts. Try not to double down on ignorance and being an ass when you clearly don't know what you're talking about about. 

    Also, you just quoted my long post over viewing the law for you. Continue wallowing in ignorance and hate. Whatever. 

  2. Just now, DixonHur said:

    Ok, I can work with that.  Explain 1A in your opinion.  Because my understanding is that it's not absolute, and that creating a threatening environment is one of the areas not covered.  

    Explain how advocating the destruction of Israel isn't creating a threatening environment?  Especially Jewish students?

    First, how about you show any evidence where that happened AT UT? Protesting treatment of Palestinians is not the same thing as urging the destruction of Israel or threatening Jews. 

    Second, the first amendment absolutely protects pretty terrible speech. 

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  3. 2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    The video I posted is from Wednesday

    Where in that video does it show a tent city? Where in that video is there any violation except a violation of the first amendment? You are way out over your skiis here. 

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  4. 8 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    So what should have happened?  

    Should UT have let the protestors erect a tent city encampment for as long as they like?

    I'm reading a lot of rage, but no alternate solutions.

    One: there is no evidence they were creating a "tent city" or taking any actions that violated school policy

    Two: and this is a big one, you don't seem to understand what freedom of speech means. Open areas on campus (e.g., the south lawn) are part of the public forum and available to the public for assembly by law. The government (i.e., the police and UT) does not get to prevent speech because they do not like the content. It does not get to restrict the freedom of assembly because it does not like the content of speech. UT isn't a private actor. These aren't private lands. The Constitution gives those students the right to assemble and speak there. The University destroyed those rights. Why you're ok hand waiving the violation of core civil rights is absolutely beyond me. 

    Three: the University should have allowed them to gather and to speak. Only if the gathering starting getting threatening, violent, destructive, or overly disruptive of school (e.g., barring people from class), should the police have been called in. 

    But sure, you just ignore core rights because you don't really care what the speakers have to say. 

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  5. 4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    This is not an accurate description of what happened yesterday. They don't need authorization to be there because of the 2019 law signed by Abbott that turns public universities into designated public discourse spaces. The police didn't ask anything of the protesters, the just started kettling protesters and forced them into streets so they could be arrested for blocking the street. 

    That, and students most certainly had authorization to be in the six pack. 

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  6. 4 minutes ago, troph said:

     

    It could matter because his replacement might be much worse. imagine if everyone that was squeezed in the trump admin resigned?  as bad as this was, I don't want it to get worse. and oh boy can it.

    I understand. Don't let perfect become the enemy of good. the problem is that I just don't see any good here. And I'm not going to let fear of what may be prevent me from standing up to what it is. And this was wrong. 

  7. 20 minutes ago, Foosters said:

    Damn, I've never had co-counsel on a single trial. The best is when you get to leave your client alone at the table while you go into chambers for a sidebar. I've come back several times to have the bailiff whisper in my ear that my client was doing some weird shit by himself while the jurors just watched in silence.

    That's rough. Even if I don't have co-counsel, I try to have a legal assistant, secretary, or even a tech, anyone, sit by the client. 

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  8. 8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

    You keep saying this but are not digesting what multiple posters keep trying to tell you. Yes he did it in advance. Because the people he works for made it very clear they did not want another Columbia. 

    I understand exactly what they are saying. I'm saying it doesn't fucking matter. He isn't the fucking janitor. He isn't mid-level management. He is the fucking President of the University. He had other options than trample the safety and rights of students. 

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  9. 3 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    Its extra sweet because you know its true — because you were in those discussions— but are too hardheaded to admit it. 

    I've been in many discussions with you. I agree that your understanding of events is vastly different than mine. 

  10. 10 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

    “Since the Israel-Hamas war began, the U.S. Education Department has launched civil rights investigations into dozens of universities and schools in response to complaints of antisemitism or Islamophobia. Among those under investigation are many colleges facing protests, including Harvard and Columbia.”

    https://www.kens5.com/article/news/nation-world/israel-hamas-conflict/university-protests-israel-gaza/507-4fd0b2b4-fc48-4309-a099-690450425395
     

    The article lists Emory, Emerson College, City College of New York, USC, Ohio State, UT, Indiana U Bloomington and so on.

    My question is this: what if the groups were deranged MAGA folk. Would it be ok to shut down campus. Graduation ceremonies and the like? We’ve seen what’s happened at Columbia. What if the protestors were involved in Jan 6 and sitting outside government buildings in every state and you could see earlier encampments not leaving and becoming more emboldened? So just let the protests grow to what is happening in Columbia? Why aren’t they out in front of government buildings? The government is the only entity that can change the tide of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

     

    I don’t give a fuck if no one here likes me or cares for my opinion. In many ways it’s why I post less and less on surly (most posters probably are relieved.) I donate when I can to the World Kitchen (bc I know my money is going to help.) the whole situation in Gaza is beyond my ability to help. It doesn’t mean I don’t feel for and love those people who are suffering. I do but I’m also not foolish enough to believe that we can force Israel to do much of anything. Neg away!

    Still in Atlanta so The protestors are safe from me if they go strolling into the entertainment district for a cocktail after a wild day of trying to occupy campus. 

    You're still not connecting to this to what happened at UT. Yes, if protesters violate the law, become threatening, dangerous, or violent, it is perfectly reasonable to call the cops. But, and this is the important, that didn't happen at UT. The protest was literally shut down before anyone did anything. So, your hypothetical is completely irrelevant to what actually happened. 

    P.S. since you seemed confused on this point, the University of Texas is in fact a government entity. The Tower is a government building. They were in fact out in front of a government building.  Not that any of that really matters in regards to whether or not the right to assemble and free speech should be trampled. 

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  11. 1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

    I don’t know, man. IF (huge qualifier there) the point is to use a very pointed phrase to call out the hypocrisy of the Jewish state appearing to be engaging in an ethnic genicide, that seems like fair play.  However, that sign is vague with regard to which country is/is not or should/should not be doing that to the other country. 

    Yeah, I think there is room for that sign to be interpreted as a call out regarding hypocrisy. But, it is vague enough and hits a sensitive enough topic that the overall presentation was a poor choice assuming that was the intent. So, it is either a poorly executed version of a good point or a really fucking evil sign. 

    2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    This statement is hilarious. Because for the past decade plus, it was considered “right wing coded”. 

    The suggestion that “everything is fine, actually. things are better than ever. nobody is oppressing you that you need a safe space”  sent most of you in a fucking tizzy. 

    That's a really interesting alternate reality you live you. 

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  12. 38 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    When Emil Bove, one of Trump's lawyers, is at the lectern cross-examining Pecker, or speaking to the judge, Todd Blanche, another defense lawyer, moves over into his empty seat. It’s reminiscent of Boris Epshteyn taking the seat held by Alina Habba, Trump’s lawyer in the E. Jean Carroll civil trial, when she would be called to a sidebar. Blanche seems intent on flanking Trump as much as possible.

    To be fair, this is sort of trial 101 stuff. You don't leave the client alone. Nothing about this is unusual, and it has been done at every trial I've participated in. 

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  13. 19 minutes ago, troph said:

    I was saying his hands were tied. that's the similarity between DEI and DPS show of force. now if we find out Hartzell was on his own with the DPS then I won't take back what I said about Abbott, but I will take back what I said about Hartzell. He's got to account for this if it was truly him - still acknowledging my first point about how difficult larger gatherings on heated topics can be in this current political and cultural climate.

    It isn't like he asked for help the day of because it was getting out of control. He asked for helps days before the event even took place. He asked for the DPS to come and shut it down BEFORE the event took place. He deserves no quarter here. 

  14. 7 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    You so desperately want to get in on the conversation I'm having with Brisket. We'll invite you to lunch.

    I'd like you to just acknowledge that what is happening elsewhere in the world isn't what happened at UT. That's all. You've been hostile to me from the beginning of this thread for reasons I don't understand. I don't agree with everything pro-Palestinian protesters want. And if they had engaged in violent, destructive, or threatening behavior, I'm would have been all on board with the cops being called in. But that isn't what happened at UT. And you don't get to punish people before they do something. That's how you get stars. That's how you get ghettos. That's how you get a holocaust.  

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  15. 8 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    That is actually a good question - I don't think I've stated where I stand. Hate rallies when they are a minority are good for free speech. Hate rallies when they are a majority are problematic. You went to the BLM rallies. What if there were rallies that BLdidn'tM? Fine. Now what if those rallies were 20 times larger than the BLM groups? We have a problem. I hate to play the Nazi card, but that has actually happened to jews in the recent past - when my parents were being born and when some of my grandparents were of fight or flight age. So, when there is now a mix of anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment, is it just the current conflict or is there something deep seeded? It is debatable. So when the jewish fraternities and sororities side with breaking up the rally and preventing some of the shit that is going on around other college campuses while having to increase security at their houses - all I can say is that I'm conflicted. Some of this needs to be nipped in the bud before it sprouts - leaders should be leading. In the absence of that, I'm not sure what is the best way to make change happen. How do you feel if things get out of control around the US? What about around the world? When do you stand up?

    Please, neg more of my posts while you refuse to actually address what happened at the University of Texas. 

  16. 1 minute ago, Skipper said:

    It's not just state politics. It's internal politics as well.  He's getting heat for what happened but imagine the heat from those cutting the checks that actually matter if he would have let UT campus turn into Columbia.  Just like the Eyes of Texas nonsense that threatened millions in funding he had to navigate. Nobody on this board cares about or likes to consider that reality but it's a fact.  A lot easier to have hot takes and play Monday AM QB on a message board where all that is hanging in the balance is internet rep

    Great, if he was worried about that, he could have had the police standing by to respond to actual disruptions. He didn't do that. He ordered them to crack heads before anything wrongful happened. Excusing his actions because felt stress is fucking bullshit. Not only should he resign, he should be in fucking jail for abuse of authority. 

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  17. 7 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

     

    I keep hearing about "anti-semitism" in these protests. I scoured the net looking for any sign of violence, destruction, or anti-semitism in that protest and found zero. I saw students who were watching the protest wearing Israeli flags and saw no evidence of any anti-semitism directed toward them. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me. 

    If the fucking proud boys can march with guns and torches and chant "The jews will not replace us," why is not ok for students to march in support of Palestine or Gaza or even Hamas? Or be against Israel? 

    Again, show me the violence or destruction.  

    Hartzell needs to do the right thing- tell DPS to GTFO campus, or resign. 

    Abbott needs to DIAF. 

    The presence of the jack booted thugs, oh sorry, I meant DPS troopers was an unnecessary provocation and escalation. 

     

    tldr: Fuck abbott, fuck DPS, fuck Hartzell. 

     

    Also: fuck Israel AND Hamas. 

     

     

    Again, Hartzell didn't just fail to tell them to leave. He fucking invited them. He admits it in his letter. And he admits in more informally in his texts. 

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  18. 22 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

     

    So, the end of that was telling. He says that this concern is why the framer's had all these structural checks (but apparently not criminal liability) that for the last 200 years have prevented that kind of action from a President. The easy response to that is: until Trump. 

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  19. 2 minutes ago, troph said:

    fuck yeah, I applaud that.  I do think you will be unceremoniously blocked on the exception of attorney client privilege.

    And I'll litigate the fuck out of that because I'm not asking for communications with attorneys regarding legal advice. 

  20. 2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    You are correct on this thought. Most of the Jewish population, especially in the Northeast and Southern California and Chicago, are pretty strong left leaning and had a visceral reaction against the far right. Now that we see hipsters wearing swastika scarves, it moves them away from the far left. So basically they are stuck in the middle of the horseshoe. Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am, Stuck in the middle with you.

    And it sucks. I get that your concerned about what has happened elsewhere. But it all of that isn't relevant as to whether the first amendment was trampled by the University on Wednesday (it was). Again, if you want to justify the actions of the administration of the University, you're going to have to justify based on what happened on campus, not what happened in other areas of the world. 

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