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  1. Just now, BrickHorn said:

    You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. See, e.g., Pickering v. Board of Education and Kennedy v. Bremerton School District.

    Nah. Tell you what fucko - let’s place a wager on it. Put your money where your looney lips are. 

  2. Just now, jimmyjazz said:

    Yeah, you're not a partisan hack, you fucking donkey.

    I am anti-protestor, pro-Israel, and believe precisely what I said. State employees by and large are morons. This is not exclusive to college professors. 

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  3. Just now, closetohumping said:


    And I haven’t disagreed with this?  Look up a few posts.  My point being that it might be possible that governemnt employees are held to a higher standard than private sector ones?  A judge who is a nazi sympathizer may be more frowned upon than the Chevron clerk

    Not sure but wouldn’t think held to higher standard. Most state employees are morons, like this professor. 

    1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Holy shit, I actually lean towards university employees NOT having carte blanche to say whatever the fuck they want.  (Tenured professors might muddy that argument.)

    You really are a piece of work.

    Lean?  And no, tenure shouldn’t muddy. 

  4. 4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

     

     

    Hat tip to Rex and Euro for executing an all-time great moron-to-moron alley-oop.

    Thank you Scoops.

    Y’all get back to me when this guy receives a dime from UT.  He’s not shielded any more than I am just by virtue of being a state employee. His doesn’t have fucking immunity from 1A consequences. The 1A doesn’t trump his employee code of conduct / handbook to which he fucking agreed. 

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  5. 1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

    Right. And I think the fact that you’re a state employee means you have to be a bit more careful with that free speech thing 

    Not at all. This professor can do whatever the fuck he wants and so can I. Your actions are always at the mercy of the whims of your employer. And it does not matter where the funds come from to pay professors; UT functions as a private employer. I can’t believe this is being discussed.*

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  6. 13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Well, it might be helpful to start with defining whether UT is a government or private employer.  To me, it's actually a somewhat nuanced question.

    It’s not at all nuanced. This is the dumbest fucking argument ever. Y’all are some partisan morherfuckers. 

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  7. 5 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

    Yes, in the case of public employees the analysis is a bit complicated. For example, courts have to balance first amendment rights against the government’s interests in functioning efficiently and maintaining legitimacy. My point is more broadly about the nature of freedom of speech - it’s just freedom from (some, but not all) consequences. 

    It is not at all complicated. 

  8. 5 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

    I often see this point made, but it reflects a misunderstanding of the first amendment. Freedom of speech is freedom from consequences. In fact, that’s pretty much all it is. The state cannot enforce consequences against someone on the basis of their speech. 

    But the university absolutely can. The fuck?

  9. 11 hours ago, immamac said:

    this whole thread and everyone that posts in it are kinda fucking sad tbh. 

    I'm not saying the situation in Israel/Palestine isn't something we should talk about or care about, I'm saying a bunch of fucking shithead internet warriors nerdraging about what videos on the internet of other morons are doing is just a stupid fucking thread  at this point.

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    4 hours ago, Sealtm6 said:

    Hagee is embarrassing.  He doesn’t understand the biblical hermeneutic on what modern day Israel is (it’s actually the Christian church).  Hagee is no more than a handler for Masaad.  Fat, sloppy guy.

    I watched that whole video. What was his point other than directing anyone he influenced to vote for Trump?  It was meandering nonsense. It would’ve been a sickening video if it weren’t so pathetic. 

  10. 21 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

    Not speaking for one side or the other here, but are you suggesting twitter posts including video clips aren’t used for disinformation? Where have you been for the past decade?

    So the argument has shifted from Prong sowing disinformation or his tweet sowing disinformation to some video clips in the past decade have sowed disinformation. Got it. 

  11. 1 minute ago, PRONG HORN said:

     

    Before I make some comment like “thank God we aren’t Europe and we have people like Jay Hartzell and the UNC Pikes”, I need to ensure that Bolverk approves of your tweet. If the wrong person originated it, it renders the entire message moot. 

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  12. 30 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

    Bibi is literally the most savage leader that entire area has ever seen, period. From a pure numbers standpoint alone, he and his leadership are responsible for far more death and destruction than anyone else. Likud is literally full of extremists (like Itamar Ben-Gvir) by design. If you are so deluded that you believe there is any shortage of savagery on the Israeli side, you either haven't been paying attention to anything they're saying, or you have simply ignored it for your own personal convenience.

     

    The fact that he simply resorts to calling them savages ought to clue you in on his real thoughts.

    Do you dispute that Hamas are savages?

  13. 9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

    Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

  14. 4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    It's probably not the right discussion for this since it concerns policy. Plus, we've discussed several possible solutions in the CR thread.

    To keep it brief:

    1. The Israelis and the Palestinians must both relinquish any claim to land beyond the 1967 borders and recognize each other's right to exist.  WILL NEVER HAPPEN
    2. Go back to the idea in the original mandate: make Jerusalem an international city.  CANT HAPPEN
    3. International peacekeeping force and administration of Palestine for a period of time as it transitions to independence and builds up institutions. I firmly disagree with Israeli involvement in this effort.  WELL THEN IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AND IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN EVEN WITH ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT
    4. All homes and infrastructure in the illegal settlements remain in place but handed over unmarred to the Palestinian State and refugees. 
    5. I'd likely keep some sort of peacekeeping presence all along the borders separating the two nations for quite some time.  

     

     

     

  15. 5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    Mozart composed his first piece of published music at age 5, and by his teen years, he had already written several concertos, sonatas, operas and symphonies. Picasso learned how to draw before he could talk. At 12, Pascal independently and without the use of math books discovered nearly all the geometric proofs of Euclid. So why not? I say give Rex and Bolverk a chance.

    Hey a Frank Stallone reference. Shocker. People try and over complicate Israel. It’s not as complicated as it needs to be. The X factor is Palestinians always revert to having savages as leaders. There’ll never by any peace with that factor in place. 

  16. 53 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Well, that is actually way different than I thought.  I don't believe you can kill your way to peace when fanaticism is at play... which it is at the extremes on both sides.  All you'll do is create deeper and deeper hate.

    I'm a two-state solution proponent.  Although obviously they'd need to figure out the borders, which even aside from the illegal West Bank settlements, is difficult since both sides lay claim to Jerusalem.  Maybe Jerusalem could be governed by an independent body, like the UN.  Just spit balling.

    The hate will exist from the Palestinians regardless. Israel absolutely must remain aggressive with rooting out Hamas. They must kill them all, or there is no chance at peace. I have a hard time believing this is disputed. 

    I’d be a 2-state supporter if and only if they start acting like a nation with competent administration, policing their own extremists instead of placing them at the tip of the spear, etc. This is why it’ll take years and possibly a generation. Israel won’t permit the fucking UN to govern Jerusalem. They’re in control, and they’re not going backwards nor should they. 

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  17. 5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    I hate to break up the slap fight, but I'll ask both of you (IE @Rex Kramer and @bolverk) what is your solution.

    I think we can all agree that shit is borked in the that area of the world.  So, what are your individual solutions?  Knowing, of course, none of us, Surly posters, actually have the ability to implement them.  What's your "perfect world" solution?

    Just curious but betting they're more similar than not.

    Don’t know. It’s tragic what’s happening to innocent Palestinians. But I’m not in position to judge what Israel is doing. I do think there’s a serious element of anti-Israeli propaganda duping people and it’s pervasive on this entire board. In a perfect world Israel would:

    1) move civilians to some controlled area, even within its own borders, that is heavily guarded / armed and allows humanitarian aid unfettered. Probably logistically impossible and prohibitively expensive but it has got to be better than the reported narrative. 

    2) proceed with rooting out all these people. Every Hamas member should die. If Fatah comes back in and pulls the same shit, they all need to die. They can handle Hezbollah within invading southern Lebanon given their activities are launched from another country.

    3) Israel must stay very very involved and perhaps the world will perceive it to be oppressively so, in transferring autonomy onto the Palestinians like this’d be a multi-decade process.

    If this seems simplistic or impossible, it’s probably because it very much is so. I don’t know the answer, but it absolutely cannot revert to status quo with either any successive element of Hamas governing, and likely Fatah governing. 

  18. 47 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    Both Israelis AND Palestinians have the right to self-determination, including having their own fully autonomous, independent nations that are free from outside interference. The boundaries between the two should be fixed at the internationally recognized 1967 borders. 

    They do?  Even though one side has committed non-stop terrorism and atrocities against the other since ‘67 and really before that, regardless of who was in charge?  It is really hard to free “Palestine” of interference when they’re constantly interfering via terror attacks. 

    47 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    The protests AND the counterprotests are mostly unproductive clown shows. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings when "your side" is shown to be full of idiots, too. The one exception is the protesting going on inside Israel. Those protests actually matter because they involve hostage families and others who could legitimately influence what's going on with the war.

    While I agree that anyone that engages is generally a clown, the protestors INITIATED the clown show. Just as Hamas initiated all of this shit. Showing videos on both sides doesn’t hurt my feelings; I just think you’re so desperate for actors that are bad on the Israeli side, or noble on the Palestinian side, that you totally ignore all of the above and are both sides-ing the fuck out of this, and aimlessly so.  I don’t know about protests going on inside Israel. I suspect you’re latching on to anything that supports Israel ceasing its actions, and you’re totally misguided in the process. 

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