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Texas Fight

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  1. Morgan Chesky is a Kerrville homer. He was called on by the mayor. He asked a question about voting records and sirens. My point, is we all want the answers on what happened. What really happened. We aren’t going to get them from these press conferences 3, 4, 7 days after the event and during the ongoing emergency response. If really want these answers, from the camps, officials, government, they will come in a different forum (discovery, FOIA, depositions) and will take more than 3,4,5 days to get it.
  2. I agree 100%. The press is asking about voting records and money for sirens.
  3. Bro, all of this will be in logs, timestamps, texts, emails, warning notifications, dispatches, radio (audio recordings), voting records, minutes, etc…. They couldn’t hide from it if they tried. Trying to get these answers, as DDD Dad put it, “to keep this from reoccurring again” by asking these things in a press conference during the emergency response is not your answer.
  4. Go watch Morgan Chesky ask the mayor this exact thing in the press conference from yesterday. He specifically asked about voting records and sirens from before the mayor was in office.
  5. Is it the city managers responsibility to answer questions about notifying a camp in a town not named Kerrville 2 towns over? I have no idea and neither do you. But it doesn’t need to be answered today, in a press conference, asked by Morgan Chesky the city manager’s high school classmate.
  6. You honestly think a twice daily press conference updating on daily progress of an on-going emergency response, is the best time to get these answers? Sherriff, this is DDD Dad, I really need you to sit down and review all of your commissioner meeting minute from 2017 and be prepared to answer on the record questions at the 5pm presser. Would you also respond to all of my FOIA filings for any emails containing these key words search by tomorrow morning at 8am? We don’t want to hear about how many bodies you found or provide the public on any updates. The families with dead children aren’t dealing with funeral arrangements, 9000 condolence texts, getting their child’s possessions, what they really want is your voting record on sirens. TODAY! Thanks.
  7. Is it fair? Fuck yeah it’s fair. Who is saying no one wants to get to the bottom of this? Do you think 6 days after, while a significant amount of people are still missing, is the best time to get these answers? So “we might learn how to avoid a similar recurrence”? Right now? You want the camps and local authorities to drop what they are doing in recover/rescue, letting families in to get belongings, dealing with 1 million arrangements I can’t even imagine? Or, would you rather them respond to interrogatories, discovery requests, depositions, etc…. RIGHT NOW? You honestly believe RIGHT NOW is a good time to interview the 18 year old counselor or the 10 year old camper on the events that happened that night? Or the wife of the camp director who died in the flood? Today? Tweety, the is DDD Dad, I am really needing to know how to prevent this from happening again. I know your camp is fucked to hell and you had 27 kids die over the weekend, oh and your husband is dead, but I need this information TODAY!!!
  8. This a good example. If THE PLAN was for the county to send out alerts and the camp security officer on duty was responsible for receiving and acting on those warnings (whether they were flood, wildfire, tornado, lightning, etc… warnings), then SOME accountability of the camp shifts/dilutes. Some are asking why the owners weren’t down there watching the river with their own two eyes at 2am? Hindsight of a catastrophe with 27 dead makes this seem obvious. But, if you get flash flood watches and warnings 20x a year for 40 years and each of those is for a few days or several hours window spans, I think it is very reasonable to have a plan in place for parts of the day where the former-LEO security officer is monitoring warning systems, camp environment, etc…. with instructions on when to put emergency plans into action.
  9. I think is where I am but with some variance. It seems none of the other camps on this fork of the river evacuated kids before the flood. La Junta (campers in cabins), Heart of the Hills (counselors in cabins). They were lucky but should still be reviewed. They aren’t getting blasted like Mystic is, and understandably due to the deaths. All of these camps (Mystic, La Junta, HOTH) were negligent in some fashion. The variance is around details we apparently don’t know yet. Things like: - Anyone who has been to Mystic during session knows they have a security guard at the front. It has been reported these are retired/former LEOs (opposed to mall cops), but I don’t know for sure. He is closest to the river/entrabce and seemingly should be awake. What were his responsibilities? Monitor weather? River level? Interact with local law/emergency? Was his responsibility to be the eyes/ears during the night…. For flooding, emergencies, visitors, deliveries? What? - Camp owners have been out there since 1976. Live there year round. Have the cabins ever flooded before? Any water? If so, the variance of their negligence goes way up. Or have they seen things that led them to believe the cabins would never take on water. - Risk management. Did they have professionals review their operation. Plans, insurance RM assessments, flood plain reviews, regulatory compliance, etc… if the ownership took an independent/honest approach to this and were given assurances they were safe, it lowers the negligence calculation IMO. The extent of this will come out, and not by some AP news article saying they were inspected 2 days before flood. Over time, how much concern did the camp have and did they seek assurances or mitigation from professionals. - Did professional risk managers instruct them to keep campers in cabins during storms to avoid other perils (lightning, roadway flooding (1987 after action), falling trees, etc…. I.e, was THE PLAN to actually keep them in cabins during the storm. Only until water came in did they try to scramble. I’m sure there are more. But where I have been triggered is how fast people judge these owners and immediately turn them into the devil. As if they wanted these kids to die. After the investigation/lawyers review this thing it may very well come out that the camp owners (at any/all of the camps) were completely clueless. Or, that they took this very seriously and still a tragedy occurred. I just don’t see the need/benefit to shit all over a family or highly loved/respected long-time camp leadership until we know. These camps have built tremendous credibility over 90+ years. I think it’s fair to give them some grace until the details come out.
  10. Not sure you are reading the quotes. TDEM said they pre-positioned assets. Mayor says he is not aware of pre-positioned State assets. Both of these can certainly be true. Just because mayor isn’t aware doesn’t me mean they were there.
  11. I’m pretty sure in one of the first few press conferences that the city manager said they had assets pre-positioned and the flood actually washed them away. If I remember right, there is a photo of one of the vehicles in that parking lot across from the Ingram dam.
  12. Are there any reports that more help, assets or resources are needed?
  13. Let me check on Twitter.
  14. How do you know Camp Mystic leadership was not awake at 1am or actively monitoring? Mo ranch isn’t even in the same river as Mystic. Miles apart.
  15. They were aware and executing their evacuation plan. Do you not agree?
  16. Pot O Gold Christian COMFORT, Texas — On July 17, 1987, along the Guadalupe River near Comfort, Texas, rescuers worked to airlift teenagers trapped in trees after a wall of water washed them away. It happened when a caravan of buses attempted to escape from a church camp through a low water crossing after an overnight storm. When their bus stalled, they formed a human chain to try and walk out, only to have a wall of water scatter them into the raging river.
  17. Strange? This camp was obviously not being complacent.
  18. These kids were in a bus trying to evacuate from a flood situation. They died while the bus drove them away to a presumed safe location.
  19. So, you didn’t really care that much? Your reaction on what you would do otherwise doesn’t seem to match your desire for any due diligence. You can’t have it both ways. I mean, you knew this camp was in a flood plain, no? You can’t see where the cabins are, no? Any moron can see this coming 100 miles away, no?
  20. Took them about 10 years, but looks like the settled as a group (deceased and injured) for $2.1mm total to share. After attorney fees/contingency, not a lot.
  21. I believe each of the Uvalde families took $2,000,000 each. You thinking of something like that? https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/23/us/uvalde-school-shooting-settlement
  22. I agree with the concept here. Ive asked a few times on these threads how often the buildings on the camps flood? When was the last time? Do you know? The buildings and the owners are there 24/7/365. This should be known to them. If it has occured before, what have they done about it. On the other hand, if the buildings have never flooded or water has never risen that high, I think there is a different evaluation.
  23. Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other. But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.
  24. Here is one from Ray Nagin that seems racist. He was re-elected after this. In response to a question at a town hall meeting in October 2005, Nagin said: "I can see in your eyes, you want to know, '[h]ow do I take advantage of this incredible opportunity? How do I make sure New Orleans is not overrun with Mexican workers?'"[26] Some Hispanic groups, including the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, criticized Nagin's statement,[27] although those attending the town hall meeting reportedly applauded—many believing jobs should first go to locals displaced by the hurricane.
  25. Ok. So you are saying it’s ok for poor, minority kids to live in New Orleans below sea level and support the government from withholding future support there? I’m not sure we have much more to debate on.
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