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MagicSoccerSpray

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  1. 2 hours ago, troph said:

    whether it is or isn't the current motivation it has been the genesis of the conflict that has remain unresolved for 50+ years. the conflict can migrate to take on a life of its own apart from the original motivations making it just that much more difficult to untangle. no doubt today its about radicalism, proxy wars through terrorism and nuclear capability, but hey if the West could solve those three, I suspect the West would do so AND strong arm their way into a deal for natural resources, say some oil and gas and some rare earths as well.

     

    The West isn't even the biggest customer for Iran's oil, and using the deposing of some leftist 70+ years ago, is a lazy excuse. The Persians are great people, saddled with a corrupt and incompetent theocracy bent on spreading their version of militant Islam, and threatening the world with nuclear weapons. Lets celebrate their potential downfall, instead of indulging in political self-flagellation.

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    5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consortium_Agreement_of_1954

    The Consortium Agreement of 1954 (Persian: قرارداد کنسرسیوم) provided Western oil companies with 50% ownership of Iranian oil production after its ratification in 1954 expiring in 1979.[1] According to the consortium agreement, 40% of Iran's oil shares belonged to 5 American companies, the other 40% belonged to Iran-UK oil companies, 14% belonged to a Dutch oil company, and the remaining 6% belonged to a French oil company.[2] In spite of numerous negotiations and offers, Mohammad Reza Shah refused to extend the Agreement which originally and clearly postulated that the Consortium had the right to prolong it 15 years (3 times 5 years).

    A year after the overthrow of Premier Mohammad Mossadegh by the United States and the United Kingdom in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, the British and American governments began pressuring the reinstated Shah of Iran into negotiations with Britain over the ownership of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company. The British cabinet had imposed a series of economic sanctions on Iran that prohibited the export of key commodities to Iran.[3] Britain's boycott had become devastatingly effective, with Iranians "becoming poorer and unhappier by the day".[4

    The dispute was finalized with the incorporation of a 25-year international Oil Consortium Agreement of 1954, dividing the aforementioned 50% ownership to foreign companies as follows. 40% to be divided equally (8% each) among the five major American companies; British Petroleum to have a 40% share; Royal Dutch/Shell to have 14%; and Compagnie française des pétroles, a French Company, to receive 6%. A year later in 1955 US-government ordered the 5 US-companies to each transfer 1% of their 8%, to several smaller companies because these companies had complained that 'they were left out'.[5]

    The agreement further stipulates that the Consortium would take care of 

    • (almost) all production,
    • Refining,
    • transport and
    • (only international) marketing

    of Iranian oil for which purposes two Dutch legal entities were to be created and based in The Netherlands:

    1. Iranian Oil Refining Company
    2. Iranian Oil Exploration and Producing Company.

    Basing these companies in Great Britain was considered politically undesirable, as was the initial wish of BP to get 50%. With English companies and a large 50% stake, was thought not to be acceptable to the Iranians. Furthermore, 50% would materially give BP a majority stake because BP had strong connections with the little (6%) French company CFP. Hence only 40% for the former 100% possessor.

    The agreement, which was heavily pressured by President Eisenhower, gave American oil companies significant influence over how much petroleum Iran pumped and the price it could sell for.[6] Beginning in 1973, the Shah faced increasing tensions with Western nations after announcing he would not renew the consortium agreement upon its expiration and planned to nationalize Iranian oil in 1979. The Shah, speaking to 5,000 farmers and workers, accused the oil companies of mishandling operations under the 1954 agreement. He said he had ordered the National Iranian Oil Company to start hiring foreign experts to work with Iranians so the company could take over the consortium's duties “either immediately or from 1979.”[5]

    Many Iranians accuse Western nations of supporting the overthrow of the Shah due to his failure to renew the consortium agreement in 1979 in what is known as the 1979 Iranian Revolution conspiracy theory.[7] According to the New York Times, the oil companies, through a spokesman, argued that the Shah did not have a legal right to end their contract in 1979, because the Consortium had the right of prolonging it for 15 years.

     

    This is 50+ years ago. The US is the biggest oil producer in the world now, and has good relations with the #2,4,5 producing countries. So the argument is that the US is still trying to take over Iranian oil production? To what end? I think if anything we'd encourage regime change because theocratic Iran has been the number one exporter of worldwide terrorism for fifty years. But hey, wE OvErThRoUgH MoSaDDeGh!!! 

  3. 33 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

    One little subtle detail lost in a lot of greatness. Nemick gave his manifesto to Vel to give to Cassian. The fact that Partagaz and Lagret are sitting in the ISB boardroom listening to it means Cassa is the one who made sure it got out to the masses. 

     

    I thought the ISB got it from Rael's gallery?

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    Edited by MagicSoccerSpray

    5 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

    Your boy shouldn't have torn up the nuclear deal that Iran was abiding by then.

     

    You believe that?

     

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    1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

    That's unlikely. Israel used a large number of 4th generation aircraft loaded out with close range strike weapons. If anything got shot down, it is significantly more likely to be one of those. 

     

    Don't take this from him

  5. 32 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

    Lol @ the notion that this has literally anything at all to do with October 7. Some of you are so tunnel visioned it's incredible.

     

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    27 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    None of these events are happening in a vacuum. Since 10/7 Israel has been on an absolute run, and has executed precisely on their objectives (ranging from ethnic cleansing to decapitation of Hizballah and Iranian leadership). They may have the most effective military planners in the world at the moment, at least judging by the skins on the wall. 

     

    T&P's bro

  6. 8 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

    *That Iran was fully compliant with and even tried to remain compliant with after the deal was torn up for no fucking reason.

     

    2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

    Also, while I'm not against open source intel in principle, that particular account is a very frequent spreader of misinformation and outright false propaganda and should not be considered reliable.

     

    T&P's bro

  7. 23 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

    My question back to you was essentially, "what makes you think the parliamentary information came from British intelligence?"

     

    That it came from a British parliamentarian? British Intelligence would have access and motive to to surveil on home turf. 

  8. 9 hours ago, Captainant said:

    Just to reiterate, the accusations made in parliament that you are highlighting are simply repeating the old claim from Israel. There is no new information or data to back your assertion, and Birawi has won monetary judgements over those unsupported accusations of him being a terrorist. 

     

    What makes you think the parliamentary information didn't come from British intelligence? And Birawi winning judgements in civil court doesn't mean anything, he publicly supported Hamas before Oct 7th, and he publicly supported Hamas after Oct 7th. He is an agent.

  9. 2 hours ago, Captainant said:

    Thanks for the link, but it seems like the only data point stating he's a terrorist is from the Israeli government. From the article, he's gone to court and won monetary judgements over it because they could never produce anything to back their claims

    The article even states that its just being repeated over and over and sourcing the 12 year old claim without evidence from Israel. C'mon, man. Read better.

     

    Did you read it? 

     

    Quote
    Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader who was assassinated last year by an explosive device suspected to have been placed by Israeli agents in his guest house in Tehran.
    Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader
    Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader

     

    Quote

    Speaking in the Commons in October 2023, Christian Wakeford, the Labour MP for Bury South, used parliamentary privilege to name 63-year-old Mr Birawi as a Hamas operative living in Barnet, north London.
    “He is listed as a trustee of a UK-registered charity, Education Aid for Palestinians, and publicly available video shows him hosting a 2019 event in London titled Understanding Hamas,” Mr Wakeford told MPs.
    “Two weeks ago, Hamas launched the deadliest terror attack [the Oct 7 attack on Israel] the world has seen since 9/11. 
    “It is therefore a serious national security risk for Hamas operatives to be living here in London, especially where at least one appears to have done so through the use of fake documents in obtaining British citizenship.”

     

    Don't try to lawyer ball this, Birawi is an operative. 

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    The story goes that in a previous edit of the Andor S2 plot, Senator Mothma's Speech was broadcast live to the Republic. Davo Sculdun had a more prominent role in S2 & he owned the Republic broadcast service Mon's speech was being viewed on & was told to shutdown the broadcast to the galaxy. Mon however had compelled Davo to keep the feed on so he refused & the Empire was forced to shutdown the Senate feed at the source - which is what we all saw. This was all cut from the script... however in a surprise twist, all of this STILL HAPPENED off camera & Davo disappeared after refusing the Empire's wishes... leaving Runai on Coruscant, just like Perrin was left when Mon left. So the 2 took a car home together since neither's spouses were coming back... & they got drunk.

     

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