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Goredho

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  1. I’m curious: how a government soberly faces the serious threat of a pandemic while projecting a message meant to quell fear?  Compartmentalization of message, I guess?  No further comment.  Do not click below if you are politically sensitive.

    A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and/or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e60c482c5b6bd126b761e42?ncid=APPLENEWS00001&guccounter=1

     

  2. The go to work comment is his most dangerous

    “A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and/or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.”

  3. 12 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

    Welcome to the Hotel Coronafornia !

    Ventilators keep breathing
    To keep people off of ice
    and she said, "Its not, like, a prison here."
    "Its just the coronavirus"
    And in their sequestered chambers
    They turn on their TVs
    Their eyes glass over and their brains grow dim
    In a picture of normalcy

    Then sometime in September
    There comes a knock at the door
    "You're quarantine is over, ma'am!"
    "You can go back to where you were before!"
    But they just lay there staring
    At the picture on the TV
    They don't hear nothing 'cause
    The Bachelor's pickin' his bride to be!

  4. 29 minutes ago, Chooky said:

    He's just saying he's gonna look at uninsured people.  He'll look at them and then turn away, because ... you know ... gross.

    What shit hole country are these people from?

    The United States, mr President.

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  5. 17 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

    I knew how your conversation would go based on that information alone.  Your friend is a proven idiot.  What did you expect?

    A reasonable response or to make her cognitive dissonance unbearable.  I'm naive, I know.

    So if the coronavirus does not slam us hard, it will be due to some people ignoring the misinformation/directives coming from the top and acting on the assumption that this could be really, really bad.  We saw evidence of this early with the CDC preemptively undermining Trump's message to get the word out:  prepare thyself for a disruption of daily life.  That subversive act has spurred the "panic" as some would describe it.  But that panic is what I would call "preparation".  It just appears chaotic because all of the entities that comprise our society (government agencies, businesses, individuals) are having to attempt to prepare for the arrival of a global pandemic in a vacuum of governmental leadership.

    Trump will take credit for any and all success after the fact, even as he and the conservative machine have worked to undermine the seriousness of the threat in the moment.  Those public health officials, scientists and medical professionals who resisted that message to get us as prepared as we can be will never be fully appreciated.  They will not get the adulation and statements of appreciation for their service that a guy walking in an airport in a military uniform will get, but they deserve them.

  6. ·

    Edited by Goredho

    I had a discussion on messenger yesterday with a HS friend who I know is a director of an elder care facility in the Austin area (I can't remember which one).  She's also a full blown Trumpkin who loves Hannity and Tucker.

    Me:  Hey, got time to talk about the coronavirus?

    Her:  Sure.

    Me:  So what's your general take?

    Her:  People are freaking out for no reason.  Flu is much worse and so much more deadly for the elderly.  They are talking about cancelling SXSW.  That's ridiculous.

    Me:  You feel that way with what's gone on with the Washington elder-care facility?

    She didn't respond, so after a few minutes I prodded again...

    Me:  They have had 8 people die in under a week.  Its like 4% of the resident population, for around a 16% mortality rate among the infected.  Its still an active outbreak.  Are those numbers normal for a flu outbreak in an old folks home?

    Her:  Well, it has to do with how well those patients are monitored.  They may have nurses who are less skilled or poorly trained and do not act to care for the residents in a way they should.  If flu came to our facility, it would be a disaster.  These people are old, frail and have no reserves to fight.

    Me:  So you say that sounds high, but it may be because of the quality of care they are receiving at this facility in Washington?

    Her:  We lysol everything often during flu season.  We clean and wipe every touchable surface as often as we can.  We also encourage staff to stay at home if they are ill.

    Me:  Well, I'm mostly concerned about my mom.  She's in her 80s and in an independent living apartment building there in Austin (note: not this friend's facility)

    Her:  She will be fine.  Tell her to wash her hands.  The independent living residents are less at risk.  You can always move her out temporarily if you need to.

    Me:  Ok.  Thanks.

    At this point, I feel kind of uncomfortable about the conversation, her attitude and position of responsibility.  So I do a little research and pick up the conversation again, hoping to get her to consider that maybe she needs to have a little more concern about what's going on.

    Me:  Oh, found the data on the flu.  Looks like its mortality rate for people 65 and older is 0.83%.  Check this link -- https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html?fbclid=IwAR090tLD_ZYLG7kk95KgKAMJZSMbA3JRhsxABrRGV_0Tct0rfWsJJc_SbKI.  It eems like the 16% rate being seen in that Washington facility would indicate this could be much more dangerous for older people than the flu if it enters their environment.

    Her:  I'll take a look later, but I have to work right now.  Your mom is fine, don't freak out.

    Me:  Sorry, just trying to be informed.  When you have time to respond -- do you have the ability to test your residents for coronavirus and isolate them or your staff if someone tests positive?

    I haven't received a response.  Its times like this where misinformation and elective reality are extremely dangerous.

  7. 16 hours ago, Txzen said:

    Percentage of deaths from influence from those with symptomatic illness (2018-2019):

    all ages : 0.096%

    18-49 : 0.021%

    65+ : 0.83% (a 40x higher mortality rate than 18-49)

    Link to CDC data

    I appreciate this post.  For comparison, the elder care facility has had 4% of its elderly residents die from coronavirus in under a week.  I have only seen that there are “50 residents and staff infected”.  Let’s say all 50 are residents,   That’s a 16% mortality rate among the infected so far, which is fairly close to the demographic data that came out of China.  The outbreak there is still active.

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