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  1. 2 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

    I never argued Ahmadinejad is the sole author of threats to destroy Israel and I provided you with some additional quotes from folks other than Ahmadinejad.  If your argument is that Iran hasn't pursued a strategy of destroying Israel in the last few decades, I think the evidence belies that.

    And I do realize that some of the folks quoted later said "not really/JK".  Given Iran's part in 10/7, I'm not putting much stock in that.

    What are your thoughts about Netanyahu spending many years propping up Hamas as a forever enemy, including allowing and even encouraging outside actors (such as Qatar) to lend them material support? What are your thoughts on the strong evidence that his office allowed 10/7 to happen in order to have an excuse to flatten Gaza?

    I bet I can guess.

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  2. 4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    You are correct...but also disingenuous.

    Those groups would EXIST without Iran, most likely.   However, they would not have existed as a material fighting/disruptive force without Iran.  Iranian support -- dollars, training, weapons -- is absolutely what enabled Hezbollah to wage war for decades (as just one example).  Sure, Israel and its bullshit were an impetus for the existence of many of these groups, I don't think anyone has argued otherwise.  But the difference between Hezbollah a group of people pissed at Israel and able to cause a bit of chaos here and there vs. Hezbollah a group of people capable of controlling the Lebanese government and waging actual war against Israel is a big one.  And Iran was the difference-maker.

    The world is/would be much better off if Iran's ability to export chaos was sharply curtailed/eliminated.  Trump's move in going after Iran was ill-conceived, done to please his master, and in support of his master's own efforts to cling on to power, NOT based on any new urgent/exigent circumstance.  But a world in which Iran and its proxies have had their capabilities massively degraded is a good thing.  All of those things can be true at the same time.

    Yes of course, the contention begins with whether you believe these groups would exist as they do if we didn't continue to do what we do and allow Israel to behave the way they do (and also, if you believe that any of the scary mooslems have a right to fight back against Israeli aggression). Placing the blame for these group's activities entirely on Iran is straight up pussy shit, and just another symptom of the American allergy to accountability for its own actions. We see it all around the globe, not just in the Middle East.

    Sure, you're not wrong that the world would be better off if Iran's ability to export chaos was neutered, but approaching it from that direction is just kicking the can down the road. Groups like these will continue to pop up and gain power in perpetuity as long as we/Israel continue to be a destabilizing force in the region, and Iran is hardly the only willing sponsor out there. If not them, it will be someone else.

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  3. 13 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

    Absolutely ridiculous statement.  Hamas caused 10/7 and Iran is the leading supporter of Hamas in terms of funds and weapons. 

    Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) worked with Hamas to plan its 7 October 2023 surprise attack on southern Israel and gave the green light for Hamas to launch the assault on a meeting in Beirut on 2 October. In the Hamas-led attack, Palestinian militants killed 1,200 Israelis, primarily civilians, and took around 200 Israeli civilians and soldiers hostage.[24] In the weeks leading up to the attack, some 500 fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad received training in Iran, under the guidance of the IRGC Quds Force.[25]

    According to The Washington Post, the attack occurred "with key support from [Iran] who provided military training and logistical help as well as tens of millions of dollars for weapons."[5] According to The New York Times, Internal documents indicate that Hamas sought to persuade Iran and Hezbollah to participate in its attacks.[26][27] The group deferred the assault from an initial 2022 plan, aiming to secure regional backing. Although Iran and Hezbollah offered support, they were unprepared for direct involvement, prompting Hamas to proceed independently.[26][27]

    So second down the list.  If you are lowballing Iranian involvement.

     

    13 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

    These terrorists groups don't exist without resources; money, munitions, and political cover. Iran gave them these in spades. 

    Alone without Iran these groups are but sparks and flames. Iran was the immense oxygen that fanned the flames.

    I did not say that Iran doesn't lend them support, I said these groups do not exist because of Iran. It is absolute insanity to claim that these groups exist because of Iran. That is a straight up lie.

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  4. What do you guys think of Kahbrel's antics? I used to hate the guy a couple of years back when he was deliberately being weird and adversarial and trying to give others the impression he was cheating (faking marking cards etc) in order to throw them off, but he seems to have made an effort to shift his table talk strategy from that to just being a happy-go-lucky incessant talker.

    Obviously I was playing with him it would probably be annoying, but I think it lends some much needed entertainment value to these high roller tables that are often silent and boring to watch.

     

  5. 19 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

    Because Iran's "imminent" ability to obtain nuclear arms was something that we all cared very much about two weeks ago.

    Don't worry, our massive, big beautiful strike shifted the status quo so much that they still have all their HEU, the Ayatollah is still in charge, and they're still bombing each other. Mission Accomplished!!!!

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  6. 36 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

    Iran is always on the "wrong side" of American interests, and unabashedly and vocally in a way that their mouths were writing checks their butts couldn't cash-- you know, a "bully".

    Terrorism:

    - Hamas existed because of Iran

    - Palastinian Islamic Jihad existed because of Iran

    - Hezbollah existed because of Iran

    - The Anti-American insurgency post-Iraq war existed because of Iran

    - Houthi terrorists existed because of Iran

    - Piracy on the high waters and oil tanker attacks exist due to Iran

    - 10/7 happens because of Iran

    Not only that, but Iran was a coward (as all bullies truly are deep down). Always avoiding directly doing anything but having their minions do their dirty work. And like all bullies, when punched in the nose, the truth is they are weak and cowards and projecting their insecurities. Iran has comported itself very poorly since 10/7 and should be shamed.

    Basically nothing you said here was correct. Literally every group you mentioned here began as a reflex response to something fucked up the US or Israel did, save for the Houthis who have much more beef with Saudi Arabia than they do with us.

    And again, there are so many factors that led to 10/7 and Iran is a fair ways down on the list.

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  7. 1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

    I'm especially curious to see whomever reports the most factual, assured, audited report of the real effects and destruction of the bombing.

    This is the kicker! It's very difficult to trust anything out of Iran, the US, or Israel so hopefully other parties are gathering data.

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  8. Just now, Rex Kramer said:

    Not saying they’re doing it here and are probably not, but the warnings of attacks provided us and Israel in April make the regime look utterly unfit to lead.  Any Iranian war hawk in the know should be pissed about it, and their population will find out when their internet is back up and running. Their people aren’t brainwashed like the Norks. What an embarrassment. They are impotent and cowardly. 

    It looks that way to us, yeah, but who knows how the message is being warped right now.

    But I agree, Iranians are highly educated and most don't like the Ayatollah so I'm holding out hope he gets deposed from within.

  9. 49 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

    Knocking out Iran’s hope of a nuclear weapon?  I mean if this is it and it set back their progress by many years and weakens the Ayatollah’s power it looks like a win.  Still have to see how it shakes out but sometimes you can be ok with an outcome even if it wasn’t run by your side.  

    Did we actually do any of that? It doesn't seem like Iran lost their HEU stockpile. Did we need to do what we did to set back their progress and weaken the Ayatollah's power (TBD on that)? Seems like reinstating the JCPOA would likely have accomplished the exact same thing without putting American lives (potentially, of course, seems like a low chance for now) at risk.

    e: FWIW I'm still pissed that Biden didn't do that so it's not even just a criticism of Trump.

    Did we really need to commit an act of war to functionally end up with the exact same status quo we had before? I'm skeptical.

  10. 1 minute ago, B00M said:

    If Israel agreed to it, what choice did Iran have? They’ve been completely dominated 

    Again I will ask the question:

    What has changed?? The status quo is exactly the same as it was a few days ago. What did we accomplish here? A show of force that everyone knew we were capable of already?

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  11. Just now, B00M said:

    Show Iran that we (israel and US) can easily obliterate their ability to develop a nuclear weapon. Demonstrate our capabilities to China. What are you mad about here? 

    They already knew that. I'm mad that I'm paying for pointless performative displays at the behest of a little Nazi bitch that doesn't want to get he ass sent to jail.

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  12. 1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

    It’s like a scrimmage. Not exactly  closed war games practice but not the real thing either. Got some reps in against a cream puff.

    It's like UT paying A&M-CC 100 million dollars to play a game at a neutral site.

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  13. 1 minute ago, Goredho said:

    ROFL.  That was a nice, snack sized, microwaveable holy war.

    Said it in the other thread, we spent what, probably close to half a billion to do what, exactly? The status quo remains exactly the same as it was a few days ago.

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  14. 1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

    lol what’s the correlation here? You’ve tried to use this against me before. Keep recycling buddy. 

    Imagine saying someone on a message board needs to be on the terror watch list in this political climate. More or less a direct threat to someone's safety.

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  15. 4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

    If what Trump just said is true (still very debatable as of posting time), then it's hard for me to view this as anything but an unequivocal and amazing display of force and power and reminder to the rest of the world that we are him.

    I don't necessarily believe we obliterated Iran's nuclear program (the bull case), but I do think Israel with our final mile help did enough to set it back many years and keep the seat red hot for whichever Persian leadership or agencies try to pick back up the baton.

    Iran being exposed is a win for us, the Persian people who want to move forward, the region, the world.

    The status quo remains exactly the same. How has anything at all been accomplished?

  16. 8 minutes ago, WineGuy69 said:

    Don't bother, the left hates America and would rather defend foreign nations and people than protect decency.

    Brian Fantana and the fanatics (sweet band name ) would rather Trump and therefore America fail under him than see him have any sort of success because the party of tolerance is only tolerant with those that blindly fall in line with the progressive agenda, open borders, transgenderism in schools, and eradicating all western culture in the name of white guilt so that everyone wins but the West. But it has been funded and forced into our schools so they cant help it. They are blue pilled. Feel sorry for them but understand they are the single greatest threat to the Western World.

     

    4 minutes ago, WineGuy69 said:

    We are talking about Biden where his illness and senility was systematically suppressed from the public to protect the brand while America was being run by a shadow govt right?

     

    Just now, WineGuy69 said:

    Remember when Brian Fantana and the fart for brains groups raged that bombing Iran was bad and WW3 was happening. This is what happens when you don't have liberals who believe men are women in charge. Action. 

    Wow! Tell me more.

  17. 2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

    Israel for starters - over the last decade (that we know about):

    • In Jan 2010, nuclear physicist Massoud Ali-Mohammadi stepped out of his Tehran home. A parked motorcycle exploded via remote detonation, killing him instantly. Mossad spent months meticulously planning this
    • In Nov 2010, Mossad agents on motorcycles attached a magnet bomb to Iranian nuclear scientist Majid Shahriari's car door in Tehran. It detonated seconds later, killing him. Shahriari's death severely impacted Iran's nuclear development timeline.
    • Stuxnet - In Operation Olympic Games, Israel (with US cooperation) deployed the Stuxnet virus into Natanz nuclear facility. Over 1,000 centrifuges were destroyed by spinning uncontrollably. Iran's uranium enrichment was set back by several years.
    • Supply Chain disruptions - Mossad agents systematically sabotaged Iran's nuclear supply chains in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East covertly inserting faulty components into critical nuclear equipment. Machines broke unpredictably, delaying progress significantly.
    • 2018, Mossad stole over 55,000 pages of Iran's secret nuclear archives from a heavily guarded Tehran warehouse exposing the regime's nuclear ambitions and humiliating Iran's security apparatus publicly.
    • Natanz Explosion in July '20 and then the Karaj Facility attack in July '21 - both widely attributed to the Israeli's. 

    Ok, I get what you're saying, but almost this (aside from Natanz) happened well before they began enriching uranium to 60+%.

  18. 56 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

    I argued with your comment that if Iran wanted a nuke, it could’ve done so by now. That is simply not the case.

    What, exactly, was stopping them? They've had the fissile material to do it. They know how to build them. They have the ballistic missile technology to hit all of our strategic interests, including Israel. Are they just lazy?

    58 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

    Not sure what you’re arguing about. I argued with your comment that if Iran wanted a nuke, it could’ve done so by now. That is simply not the case. I mean you’re using circular logic. You seem to take issue with the fact that Israel and the US bombed Iran under a false premise and that somehow I’m arguing they did not. I’m not arguing that. 

    So what are you arguing? That launching unilateral bombing campaigns against a sovereign country under false pretenses is a good thing? Help me understand.

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