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  1. 3 hours ago, BradInATX said:

    It was interesting to watch. There were a lot of half hearted punches in the debates. Not sure if it was because the polls were punishing really hard uppercuts (IE Castro being persona non grata after going after Biden strongly), or if there was always a back of mind undertone of "we don't want to damage each other too much, beating Trump is the important thing".
    I get your frustration but honestly I'm glad everyone mostly held back.
    Except when they gangbanged Bloomberg. That was awesome.

    Biden should have been tested. Despite what the media would say he got off easy. It’s like going through the minors playing wiffle ball. Once Biden gets to the next level the opposing team is throwing a fastball right at his head with bad intentions. I hope he prepared all by his lonesome. I hope he has the capacity to articulately defend himself. The primary certainly didn’t prepare him for it.

  2. I felt that one Brad. You were one of the few from the other side that actually made an effort to have a dialogue with supporters of the Sanders campaign. It is not surprising to me then that you were one that actually casted a vote for that socialist.

    Things going on now are somewhat poetic. In a tragic sort of way. A pandemic sweeps the world and millions are left without a job and thus health insurance. All while our R president spends trillions of dollars to buy the economy and create a new socialist America. “How will we pay for it!?” Remember this Boomers? Of course you don’t. Too busy having your 401ks bailed out by the government. Once again socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor.

    You should of went harder Bern. I’ll hold you accountable for not going scorched earth and burning the shit to the ground. It would have been well deserved. Bernie played nice with his friend Joe instead. Took Trump all of two seconds to comment on Biden’s brain.

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  3. Back to the basics. So we like being run by billionaires? Like their laws and vision for the country? Like that they take all the new money being made? We like that they buy and own our politicians? Bloomberg admitted it on live television. The easiest thing to turn the tide would be your vote against all that but let’s be mad about snake emojis and calling rat names. I’d rather our kids fight revolutions in the street. Builds character.

    In the last few days it’s been simplified in the most basic way imaginable for this timeline. Are you flav or chuck d?

     

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  4. 9 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

    Very pearl clutching to Buffy.  

    Pro lifer got in Mrs. Aqua Buddha's space.  He was insisting that she take a pamphlet of some kind.  He said "Aren't you open minded?"

    "No, we're not every open minded,"  I said.  He looked confused at left.

     

    Bern supporter later shouted at us that Bloomberg was going to stop and frisk me.  "Not me, he won't."

    He looked confused, too.

    Imagine being able to make that last joke and at the same time be offended by a guy in a pickle suit being loud. Enjoy Arkansas Aqua. Y’all were made for each other.

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  5. 2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

    Jesse Jackson speaking powerful truth about Biden being Obama's right-wing cover and how Obama's silence in the face of Bloomberg's use of him in ads is complicity.

     

    Al Sharpton weighing in as well. Win SC and shut this shit down Bern.

     

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  6. 1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

    You keep trying to make this a real election.  It’s not.  It’s the DNC choosing who they want to nominate for the real election.   People voting in primaries at all is a relatively recent phenomenon in American history.

    No Matt I keep trying to point out it’s not a real election. It’s just been covered up really well bc the one with the most delegates and votes has always gotten the nomination since it’s been implemented. That may not be the case this time around. Everyone is on record as being cool with that.

    I wouldn’t expect you to fight for your vote haven’t fought for anything else. You’re obviously very comfortable and that’s cool. Enjoy it. I am alarmed tho that so many are willing to set elections on fire in plain sight.

  7. 9 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    It's not "the will of the people" if a significant majority of the people want someone else.

    Need some stat classes in here. It’s the will of the people in that he won the elections in almost every state.

  8. 6 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

    Again, that's exactly what you want:  You want the super's to pledge to support the plurality leader, the way the have done since 1972.  You want what Bernie bitched about in 2016. I get it, he's the leader.  If the Supers announce, it'll effectively end the campaign and allow him to consolidate the party as leader.

    Bates how can supers support the plurality leader if they spoke before the vote in 16? A plurality leader should first demonstrate they are such. It is not the same. Agree to disagree.

  9. 1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

    Except the Super's played no role in the actual nomination:  Clinton won a majority of the pledged delegates AND votes on June 7.  

    From what I can tell, you want the Supers to do exactly what Sanders was mad about in 2016: Publicly pledge to support the plurality leader, thus making many of Sander's challengers campaigns effectively moot.

    The supers spoke before the vote in 16. On the first ballot. Bernie pushed them to the second ballot.

    Incorrect as far as what I want. I want superdelegates to uphold the will of the people. I’d rather they be extinct.

  10. 9 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

    Every Democratic nominee since 1972 has managed to win a majority of the delegates.  Bernie is the first who is facing a realistic prospect of not doing it.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

    In 2016 Hilary did not hit the benchmark for a majority without superdelegates.

    In 2008 Neither candidate received enough delegates from the state primaries and caucuses to achieve a majority without superdelegate votes.

  11. Just now, Bateshorn said:

    Again, capture 50% of the delegates on the first vote and you can put your nuts on the table. That's the rules.  How fucking hard is that? 

    We will see how hard it is.

    Admit you don’t give a shit if elections across every state in this country are wiped out so some corporate democrat can swoop in. Those are the rules right? Hint not every rule is a good rule. God forbid we push to change an obvious bullshit one.

  12. 1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

    Huck is right, moreover, the system was redesigned after 2016 to fix some of Bernie's complaints about the nomination process.  Fixed for somebody who isn't a member of the party.  Now that the new system is creating the possibility of a brokered convention, Sander's supporters are complaining. Sander's wanted it this way when he thought Biden was going to steamroll the field and wanted to be able to fight it out at the convention.  Now that he's the leader and the new rules are hurting him, his followers are crying like babies.

    Bernie is your party. Get used to it. The rules aren’t hurting him. We are rolling. We will win. 

    Yes complaining votes should be upheld in America. The horror.

  13. 2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    This is some of the worst logic I've seen coming from you, and that's saying a lot.

    As GoLL said, your premise is wrong.

    If there were an election and there were 5 candidates, and they received votes as follows:

    A - 32%
    B - 17%
    C - 17%
    D - 17%
    E - 17%

    then you would say anyone other than A ending up with the victory after runoffs, additional voting rounds, etc. would be theft.  But what about the situation where A is the 5th choice of the 68% of people who didn't vote for them? When a field has more than two candidates you can't just say anyone other than whoever had the plurality on the first round winning is theft. That's absurd. The "will of the primary voters" in this example is that Candidate A not be the nominee. 68% of voters absolutely don't want them nominated.

    Ranked voting and required primaries in each State are a much better solution than what either major party uses right now for specifically this reason.

    It wouldn’t be a runoff. Runoffs involve another vote from the people in America right? Any poll head to head shows Bernie winning. In most cases handily.

    Superdelegates chosen by the DNC would intervene and very likely not represent the people of their states. The majority of which Bernie Sanders will have surely won. It would be unprecedented for the leader in delegates and votes to not be the nominee. Never happened.

  14. 2 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    I'm an authoritarian?  Ok.

    I could see plenty of circumstances by which a candidate with a plurality of the vote should, by all rights, get the nomination.  I can also foresee plenty of circumstances in which s/he wouldn't or shouldn't.  

    But I can't help but observe that Bernie and his supporters didn't pipe up two months ago with their plurality-must-win position.  Back then it looked like Biden or even Warren had the clearest path to a plurality.  And back then, I didn't hear Bernie trumpeting his support for a revision of the convention's rules.

    And that goes to the underlying truism that all procedure arguments are disingenuous.  

    It'll be real fun to watch Bernie and his supporters reverse their position if Biden gets into a position where he is likely to have a plurality of the delegates on the first ballot.

    Pipe up? I started the thread years ago. You think I thought we would lose?

    I didn’t know it had to be stated the will of the people should stand. This is obvious in America is it not? It only became apparent when every candidate except Bernie said so on a debate stage.

    Still holding out hope for Biden? I mean wasting my time here if you can’t see the writing on the wall.

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