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  1. Can’t let this one go unnoticed either. The Dream Defenders were established after the murder of Trayvon Martin. These mostly black and brown  young activists have also decided to back Bernie. That’s young people at the front lines of both climate change and criminal justice reform endorsing Bernie in the last few days. These young zealots have the audacity to fight for a safer and greener planet. This is obviously a generational fight as much as anything. Wake the fuck up old people.

    https://www.dreamdefendersfight.org/for-bernie

    The mainstream media is afraid of this. That’s why they’ve attempted to paint Bernie as some fringe candidate and his support base as comprised of only “white Bernie bros” and erase the millions of Black, brown and immigrant youth and women at the helm of his campaign.

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  2. 11 minutes ago, softlynow said:

    His name isn't Beetlejuice or Voldemort. Of course it's come up. And we're not so much talking about friends as colleagues and neighbors. My friends are smart enough to be as well read as me, and have strong, at least somewhat left-leaning opinions as well. They just mostly live elsewhere.

    I can barely convince myself? Of what? What weird and un-typed assumption have you made now?

    We are talking about the people you can perhaps influence on a daily basis but choose not to. Not because you necessarily disagree with Bernie Sanders but because you are concerned with how it will be received.

    You can barely convince yourself to vote for Bernie even if he was rolling. That one wasn’t assumed.

    1 hour ago, softlynow said:

    If I'm wrong, and either one is cooking with gas, they might get my vote.

     

  3. 37 minutes ago, softlynow said:

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    Millennials and Zers are your change generations. See B_T's socialism poll link above. They'll respresent ~38% of the electorate. That should jump up a few points each of the next few cycles. If capitalism isn't moderated by 2032, you could see a real push for a Social Democratic takeover of the Democratic Party, not just a couple of 'em vying for ~30-35% of the Dem primary vote.

    He started this cycle with 100% name recognition, and hasn't broken through a 20% national polling average. Lots of folks are turned off by him (not me, btw). Lots of folks hear his ideas, and think (wrongly) that they're in the class of people he wants to take from to give to someone else. He's unlikely to be a landslide-winning standard-bearer.

    How is that, exactly? I hardly post here anymore. I live amongst upper middle class Republicans who've gone from completely embarrassed that Trump was the nominee to secretly fist-pumping his brilliance even when I'm around. I couldn't convince these people of jack shit politically. And there is the fact that they WOULD be taken from a bit more in a progressive revolution. So would I, probably.

    Unless Bernie or Warren drops out by the time Texas gets to vote for the nominee, I don't see a progressive breakthrough. If I'm wrong, and either one is cooking with gas, they might get my vote.

    Liberalism has been in retreat among voters since the Reagan Revolution began. The moderate wing has been the only thing standing between us and Pubs totally ramming their idiotic wet dreams down our throats.

    The bolded ... smh. Jesus.

     

    And the olds are ~38% leaving gen x to decide. Judging by this thread fuck me.

    If the polls are underestimating anyone it’s Bernie. He is capable of winning 3/4 early states and picking up delegates in SC. He will win California. He is the only one in this race capable of being any sort of standard bearer for good. 

    You come in here defending the honor of Joe Biden. One can only assume. Another thing I assumed you ask? You wouldn’t mention the name Bernie Sanders in front of your friends. So how could you convince them? You can barely convince yourself. It’s obvious from your post we come from two different worlds.

    The moderate wing has been an accomplice to the decay of this country. The people stand between anyone ramming anything down our throats. I mean this is still America amirite?

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  4. 10 minutes ago, softlynow said:

    Then that's who the nominee needs to be, because that old school isn't dying yet. Soon. But not yet.

    This is an important fucking election. Not just because the system won't likely last under the strain of 4 more years of Trumpism. It's a decennial election. The Dems need the guy who will lead the ticket to the highest totals in every race on the ballot. They need more statehouses and legislatures. District lines for the next 10 years are at stake.

    Not yet? I disagree. The old school is dying right before our very eyes. Good thing we are about to have a vote to see if it’s now. Why are you so sure the highest totals in every race will be accomplished bc of Joe Biden? Again I simply disagree.

    13 minutes ago, softlynow said:

    You want a progressive agenda to actually have a non-zero chance of being implemented? Win big this time. Sure the young-ins are cozzying up to socialism or social democracy. That's great. They don't yet vote at the rate of and are outnumbered by the folks scared to death (and coincidentally killing themselves in Florida too) of simple tax increases, let alone significant expansions of the safety net or access to health care and education.

    I do think a significant left-ward shift is coming. Just not yet. If the Dems somehow convince folks in the middle to stay home, they jeopardize their long-term goals. I don't expect zealots to understand. They lack of foresight is why they're so bad at politics.

    I want a president who represents my interests. I’m not naive and believe Bernie will pass everything. Quite the contrary. 

    Why cant we win big with Bernie? I believe we can. So seems we have to agree to disagree again. The numbers are yet to be tallied on who will have the higher turnout. We all know the trend lines so let’s just let it play out.

    You know the inevitable left shift is coming but you’re actively fighting it. How about you join the wave and actively try and convince some folks to not stay home if that’s what you’re worried about. So call me a zealot and state as fact we lack the foresight. That’s only been proven to be true for the moderate establishment wing of the Democratic Party when they sent Hilary to her death. Surely there were Hilary zealots and they lacked the foresight to beat an orange orangutan. It works both ways you see. Bad at politics? I’m not trying to be good at politics and neither is Bernie Sanders. It’s the principle of it. It’s not a game we are playing.

     

  5. Team Derka here. I love Dirk and probably shouldn’t blaspheme but it’s the Internet fuck it. Luka is better right now at 20 than Dirk ever was. If I had to choose one I’d trade Dirk’s known career for Luka’s potential career. Luckily I’m a Mavs fan and don’t have to choose shit. I will enjoy this ride. More than one championship to come for Luka. Hopefully all in Mavs blue and green.

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  6. Sure I did. Sorry you didn’t like the answer. I’ll be more succinct. Yes it is closer. Especially with Joe Biden as your torchbearer. What will the public option tell the poor people who can’t afford the public option Brad? What the public option will tell them will be closer to “let the poors die” than a guaranteed universal program.

  7. 14 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

    It's your belief that a public option for healthcare (which will probably start the ball rolling towards universal) is closer to "let the poors die" than it is to what Bernie wants?
    Huh.

    It is my belief Joe is an old school democratic politician. It is my belief Joe will say one thing and do another because it is politically expedient. It is my belief Joe has no interest in ending the profiteering that runs rampant in the healthcare industry. It is my belief that Joe's proposed public option probably doesn’t get any ball rolling towards universal. It is my belief that Joe doesn’t care if poor people die.

  8. 2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

    the most dedicated supporters (bernie) would seem to be the most pissed about their guy not winning.  if it was warren, that would be one thing, since they're the most closely aligned.  but if someone moderate was to win (biden), then i could envision some sitting out as a "fuck-you, you had your chance to get it right, but you chose to go with joe, so sleep in the bed you made" kinda statement.  

    That’s my kind of statement. Let me help you out. Joe is closer to Donald than he is to Bernie policy wise. Money in politics? Check. War? Check. M4A? Check. GND? Check. Immigration? Check. There probably won’t be kids in cages for the world to see but I have zero confidence Joe gives a fuck. So yes you can sleep in the bed you and others made. There is a clear choice and you wanna get cute.

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  9. On 12/27/2019 at 9:59 AM, ChiTownDoc said:

    She went out of her way to antagonize billionaires and it blew up badly.  She had staked out a good position w M4A then waffles too early - win the damn nomination then move towards the center.  
     

    When are D’s gonna realize the avg voter is not BT?  You’re gonna have to play politics to win at...wait for it - politics!

    I don’t think antagonizing billionaires had anything to do w it. Warren backtracked on M4A. That is the only thing that really changed.

    The Democrats have never considered BT the average voter. They still don’t.

    On 12/27/2019 at 11:47 AM, BradInATX said:

    I agree.

    You and I, and hell, even b_t are all on the same page when it comes to wealth inequality and eating the rich. That's a winning topic for everyone of either party. 

    But the very loud on Twitter want to talk about the green new deal and reparations and identity politics, while Joe the farmer from Wisconsin could easily be won over by a candidate that makes a compelling case as to why Trump and the billionaire class are hurting him and his family.

    It should be the only thing the Democrats talk about ever. But instead they take the bait and drive that wedge you mention further. The poor whites should be on our side, it's in their own self interest.

    The candidate that makes a compelling case is Bernie. For a long time too. It shouldn’t be the only thing they talk about though. Why would you ignore what you could do for everyone with all the money that is being funneled to the top?

    Maybe the poor whites will be on our side when you give them someone who they feel is actually on their side. You know like not someone taking money from the same billionaires we are talking about here.

  10. 49 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

    The fuck it isn't. That's how you "ok, Boomer"

    The fuck it is. Ok Boomer Bloomberg for saying that shit about marijuana. Or Biden telling voters to vote for Trump. You don’t ok boomer the guy on the side of the younger generation. It’s way more accurate to ok boomer gen x itt. 

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