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  1. 8 hours ago, Bevo said:

    I agree with the company on their decision not to hire her. She will be a pain in the ass. However, the company would have been smarter to just trash her application. Teaching people lessons, especially people who don't want to learn, is futile. Are her internet followers white knighting, looking for dates, or truly outraged? Also, I'm not clear whether Emily was publicly shamed or directed to a private link.

    Out of curiosity, why do you agree with the decision to not hire her if its based solely on the fact that she posted a picture of herself in a bikini?

  2. 10 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

    A fellow in my neighborhood has a vintage one he rolls every years in the July 4th Parade.  Makes all the noises.  Kids love it.  Would be better if he used it to spray down the observers.

    Especially the hot moms in white shirts, amirite?

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  3. 5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

     

    You're both right, if it helps. The problem is that 'stache wasn't clear enough with what his actual problem is. I've seen stuff online since it happened talking about how "only Christians can be so gracious" and stuff like that. I would assume, perhaps wrongly, that those statements in particular are what he has an issue with.

    Carry on, or don't. It's all good.

     

    1 minute ago, formermav43 said:

    And that’s fair, if that’s the case. I have not and would not assert that. 

    Yes, implications to that effect are what I'm talking about, nothing more. We're good.

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  4. 2 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

    The bold is the point. That is where it’s coming from for him. You actually don’t seem fine with that.

    You're either not listening or don't want to listen. Again, it's not about him. I understand its sincere and I appreciate it. I have seen many outside observers on social media going a direction with the story I don't agree with. If you still think I'm criticizing him or his belief system or all people of his faith, then lets just agree to disagree.

  5. 4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Well, there's also an element of perception, FROM Christians, that it's nice to see people who wear their faith actually practicing it.  We see a shitload of "Christians" whose outward faith is mostly "fuck you, I got mine."  It's refreshing to see someone actually walk the walk.  It's not exclusive to Christians -- quite the opposite -- we're happy to see that there actually ARE still Christians who practice it.

    Oh, and as to my earlier point about half-measures, and society taking for granted and abusing the grace and forgiveness offered by the Jean family, here's a great piece on the matter: https://karyncarlo.net/2019/10/03/dear-white-people-about-botham-jean-forgiveness-justice-and-cheap-grace/?fbclid=IwAR1JfLHH94O8_k-pIWf5-RX7MEp0MkX9paHa5yRZchwNTxo2HLnxNIlV9S0

    To accept, and then discard with no further work, forgiveness and grace, is to double our sins -- Christian sins, social sins, all the sins.

    I don't want to see another Jean family hug and forgive a white cop.  If we accept a system where that will inevitably happen again, then we are rejecting our responsibility, and rejecting the grace and forgiveness we've been given.

    I get that. It's hard these days to understand that there are still some who practice in a meaningful way. I know from your posting history that you and your wife are on the good side, and I appreciate that.

  6. 1 minute ago, formermav43 said:

    I don’t think they can be overly focused on it when the Jean family is so outspoken about their faith; he even said what would be best is for her to give her life to Christ. This is an explicitly Christian story, whether or not they would have been that way if they weren’t Christian or whether or not there are other, similar stories not involving Christians. You can’t separate that out here-Botham’s own life should make that clear.

    If anything, it seems you’re the one self-indulgently trying to press the superiority of your belief system in this instance. Take this story for what it is.

    I disagree. It's certainly part of the story, and again, I'm fine with it being part of the story. But the bigger story is the overwhelming grace and humility and ability to forgive. For him it comes from his faith, and that is fine. I claim no superiority about belief or non-belief. I only get irked by those who claim otherwise, and I assure you it's not coming from me.

     

  7. 14 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

    Maybe, maybe not. But it’s their faith that explicitly motivates them. I think you should take that for what it’s worth rather than resenting it.

    I don't resent it, any path to that type of mindset is a positive. My observation (and maybe frustration, if you can even call it that) is from social media observers who seem to be overly focused on that aspect of the story. Much of it comes off as self-indulgent from christians who too often press the idea of the superiority of their belief system. Again, a broader rant for another day, just an observation from this particular case.

  8. 4 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

    Love him or hate him, the president has actually been trying to get a ton of non-violent offenders out of prison for the past 2.5 years.  I haven't seen the numbers lately, but I know it's a pretty significant quantity have been released from prison and put on a path of success.  I don't like the guy, but I do appreciate that effort.  

    I haven't read much about this, but there have been efforts for at least a decade to get serious, so it's not like it just started 2.5 years ago or that it was some big initiative of his. He has enough "others" to vilify currently to fire up his party's voters. I guarantee you if he needs another dog whistle he wouldn't hesitate for a second to call out release of "dangerous" drug offenders and pin it on the opposition, and it would work. I'm hopeful though that reforms are indeed going on quietly and can avoid being cloaked. 

  9. 18 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

    And the Congressional Black Caucus who was fully onboard with the War on Drugs because the crack epidemic was just annihilating their communities.  It was a bipartisan fuckup and overreaction.

    Obama and Trump have actually taken steps to fix this cluster fuck.

    Oklahoma incarcerates twice as many people as the national average, mostly on drug and non-violent offenses. The new Republican governor has promised to fix this. The people voted on and passed a referendum to drop many felony drug charges to misdemeanors and to make it retroactive. I have seen very little movement though. My guess is that they will drag their feet, then get cold feet about releasing a bunch of "thugs" because many of them won't "look" like good innocent people (cough, cough).

  10. I guess I'll also be that asshole. Too many people on social media are focusing on the "christian" aspect of the brothers actions. One need not be a christian or even a person of religious faith to be capable of incredible acts of grace and forgiveness. This seems like an incredible family. I am certain that they would be the same good people if they had been born into another faith tradition, or no faith tradition at all. I'll leave that alone now, just felt like getting that off my chest.

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  11. Forgiveness and compassion are a great storyline. The problem isn't that in a vacuum, or even the 10 year sentence. The problem is how the system treats this white woman cop vs. everyone else, particularly minority drug offenders. How many kids who made a mistake getting caught up in peer pressure with the wrong crowd and get hammered by the system are getting hugs from the judge and sympathy from the general public (i.e., white people, especially in a conservative place like Texas). If ten years for this crime is just, then we need to be pardoning and exonerating thousands of people currently locked up for far lesser offenses. This case isn't going to do anything to fix that problem. The inequity is the problem, as it has been, and as it appears will always be. 

  12. I think that rule was inserted based on the husband walking in on his wife banging another dude and then shooting one or both. My understanding is that you can argue for a lighter sentence on the theory that you're not really a danger to society at large, just people who you may walk in on banging your wife. In this case, I think she probably was angry about someone she thought was messing with her shit, so there likely was anger in that situation. But based on everything else, and the quickness to the trigger, you have to worry that there are many other unpredictable ways she could be set off to fucking shoot someone. If I were a juror I wouldn't buy rage as a mitigating factor, if anything I'd hold it against her that she can't control herself under a circumstance that happens fairly often (burglary).

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