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Posts posted by 'stache
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13 minutes ago, WBT said:
Someone explain the APA to me. What are the requirements for reversing a previous administration's executive order? I thought that was done pretty routinely (which is one reason why I think executive power should be curbed and the legislature should pass laws but that's another topic).
It's pretty easy in most circumstances, but the new administration must consider whether there is significant reliance on the prior policy such that changing it would cause significant harm. That is one of the many things the administration here failed to do. Roberts literally tells them that there are significant reliance interests here but that they could have simply said they are outweighed because "da laws da law byatch" but they didn't give it any explanation. I guarantee there is some intern in Washington right now writing a revocation memo that follows Roberts' playbook.
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43 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:
also, a consistent theme in recent opinions -- the census/citizenship question one, the habeas one from just the other day where the texan was sentenced to death, and this one -- is in each there is some facial explanation for conduct. the 4 right wingers each time say that is enough, Roberts and the other four say 'yeah, but it's obviously a lie.'
He didn't do that here. In fact, he suggests what the administration might have said to support its decision, but chides them for not doing so. If trump wins reelection, they will just follow Roberts' roadmap, and they'll win. Elections have consequences.
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Really confusing, but it is essentially 5-4. The conservatives only joined a party that said the decision was not motivated by racial animus and did not violate the equal protection clause. Sotomayor is the only one who thought it was (which it obviously was but is difficult for judges to say so).

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22 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:
Disagree slightly.
Thamel is good buddies with Thayer Fucking Evans if that tells you anything. He's a complete piece of shit.
Tramel, on the other hand, is quite credible, IMO. That said, I absolutely do not expect Gundy to go anywhere.
EDIT - and yes, Gundy is a good football coach, but kind of a moron in pretty much every other aspect of life.
Tramel is credible on covering the sports side of things, but to comment on what OSU admin might do, within hours of Chubas tweet, is just fucking stupid.
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45 minutes ago, Iceman said:
of course it isn't. he dared to have his own opinion. He still needs to grovel to his detractors six or five times..
This is the way.
LMFAO at Alfred Williams and his "me too' claims 30 years later. Really?
It's not about groveling you fucking idiot. The network calls BLM a terrorist organization. All or most of his players support BLM. Is the math really that fucking hard for you?
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17 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:
If it was one player from Colorado sure. It's multiple players saying it happened.
I'm going to guess it's just a matter of time for others to confirm it.
I want to hear it from his own teammates directly. If he was throwing that word around to multiple CU players one of his own teammates would have heard it and that word isn’t exactly something you brush off simply because he’s on your side.
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I’m still pissed at Gundy but this is the first I’ve read about 1989 and yet again I find it difficult to imagine a player saying that openly on a field where most of his own teammates are black yet only the opposition hears it. He denied it immediately at the time so don’t leave that part of the article out. And we’re now taking the word of characters of Bill McCartneys teams? If some of his own teammates from the era start saying this stuff, well then, he’s fucked. I get the sense it isn't over.
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So do the cultists now consider drudge "fake news" because they dare criticize dear leader?
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That's a long ass article, but I also know that the "nuclear family" focus has resulted in unwarranted criticism and negativity to single family households and any other type of family set-up that works for many.
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Be on the lookout during Trumps Tulsa speech for the racist dogwhistle of referring to the Tulsa Race Massacre as the Tulsa Race Riot. It has been appropriately referred to as a massacre for at least a decade now. Only racists still refer to it as a "riot." I am 100% certain he will mention it and call it a riot while telling all the whites in attendance how much he's done for black people.
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So the governor and our red meat senator now say they are encouraging the pres to not visit Greenwood "out of respect for Juneteenth activities." LOL, yes, it would be a bad idea to have the racist president invade a peaceful celebration of black history, because he is a FUCKING RACIST. They will say it's because they don't want to interfere with security, etc. LOL again. If it was Obama, or really any president who at least presented with a modicum of decency, they very likely would be welcome for a brief visit.
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Here's a writing from a friend of mine that makes the point that the massacre very likely wan't really about the interaction at the elevator. I can't say I have any extensive research, but what I've been reading is that this is a common theme among the other race massacres of the time. It was usually some event as a pretext to wipe out thriving black neighborhoods 70 years after the abolition of slavery. They didn't know their place. This also is about the time confederate monuments starting going up, as a symbol of knowing their place.
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I will say, this makes me kinda happy. I hope to find them and take a picture.

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If anyone is interested to see the pulse of our local black community, look up the Black Wall Street Times.
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9 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:
Rumors that 100,000 people are going to show up in Tulsa to try to prevent Trump from reaching the venue. It would be interesting to see the secret service try to clear a path through 100,000 protesters sitting in the middle of the street. They'd probably helicopter him in if they could find one of those huge military chinooks that could carry the weight.
I haven't heard anything of the sort on the ground here in Tulsa. In fact, the stakeholders I follow are actively discouraging direct confrontation or protest at the BOK Center to avoid becoming Charlottesville. Let him come and go and hopefully a bunch of them are from out of state and can take the 'rona with them.
Instead, there are plans to gather a few blocks away in the Greenwood neighborhood, the site of the 1921 massacre. Now we see that the fucking Governor invited trump to tour Greenwood. The stakeholders have made crystal clear that neither of them are welcome. If they try to force their way into Greenwood through that crowd, then it could seriously get ugly. I haven't heard any followup on that since a few days ago, so hopefully they will abandon that and just get it fucking over with as quickly as possible.
BTW, the cultists started camping out as early as monday. Fuck these people, seriously. It's a mental illness at this point.
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Gundy is an idiot, but Pete Thamel and Barry Tramel are not remotely credible to discuss the topic.
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45 minutes ago, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:
If you wore that OSU shirt in the first place, you wouldn't have had to make the statement.
Ok then. I can believe that he hadn't heard the BLM shit that network had been spewing. And I really don't have a choice. Unless he does some more stupid shit I just hope he can overcome the negative recruiting. He should be heading towards retirement anyway.
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What a bullshit tweet by Gottlieb. And I like him ordinarily.
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They should demand an aggy style barber shop.
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1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:
Posted this in the "Tell me about Oklahoma State" thread two years ago. It explains why the school has always put up with Gundy's buffoonery and T Boone's to a lesser degree. Coaches and their families don't want to move to the town. Okie State fans are generally fun. Unlike OU fans, they generally have a family or personal tie to the school and they're underdogs and they know that, unlike Aggy.
Meh on the town. It's one of the smallest towns of any P5 school. (On a quick search, it's smaller than any Big 12 school except Morgantown.) Town of similar size are Pullman, Starkville, and Oxford. Also not close to anything. We had to meet an a lawyer's office in Stillwater a few years ago to handle my grandmother's estate. Driving into town, the wife said "Who put a major university here?" Granted, it's an ag school but the town is mostly strip malls and chain stores and it's only 45,000 people so basically, if you're not affiliated with the school, there's absolutely nothing going on.
Do agree on Mike Gundy, though. He's the best they'll ever get there and he'll likely stay due to the Friends & Family Plan. Could never figure out why Holder and T Boone fuck with him. He recruits well there, considering the limitations of the town. (See above.) He's also donated money recently to help secure the schools in Stillwater. Good luck if he ever leaves. The football program will turn into what the basketball program is, that being a stepping stone to anywhere else and it'll be difficult to get anyone with options. (Sorry, true.)
It's not for me, but there are people who genuinely like living in small towns. Football coaches are often former players who often came from small towns. I'm always surprised when players are interviewed and they like Stillwater because it reminds them of the small town they came from, and Stillwater is sometimes larger than some of those towns, especially since we recruit from small towns in Texas. There are also people who will live anywhere for $5 million a year. The bigger obstacle is that we're not a blueblood and a stepping stone for anyone who is not a native son.
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5 hours ago, Sejjr said:The comparison is the accusation that OAN, with it's pandering piddly platform, is "propaganda" and is therefore dangerous. I think you are giving OAN far too much credit. CNN, however, IS a legitimate organization capable of actual propaganda because they have "journalistic integrity." Their fear mongering throughout this pandemic could not paint that reality any clearer. But this is not a discussion for the football boards, so I will yield my time.
CNNs COVID coverage was based on journalistic investigation including interviews with epidemiologists, doctors, economists, etc.
OANs report that the old guy in Buffalo was brain scanning police and faked his fall for antifa was a lie they literally pulled out of their ass to support dear leader.
CNN draws a pretty visible line between news reporting and opinion editorials. OAN is the Alex Jones Show with the word “network” behind it to let morons think they’re real and just another cnn.
And it was posted earlier, the OAN editorial berating protesters and calling BLM a “farce.” Chuba has been pretty vocal about BLM, and perhaps it’s a surprise to you that the young black men and the white kids they share a locker room with are pretty universally pro BLM. The shirt is easily interpreted as expressing Gundys distain for his players’ very passionate feelings on the matter. Again he can believe whatever he wants but you can’t successfully coach and recruit young black men if you show hatred towards what currently is on the top of their minds.
The damage was done the second he let that photo be taken in that fucking shirt. He was going to be the target of negative recruiting even if Chuba hadn’t mentioned it. It was out there. Best case scenario this brings it to a head and Gundy publicly starts supporting these issues by attending a rally or otherwise being outspoken in support of BLM. But I doubt it. We will quickly decline and he’ll retire in 5 years after several straight 6-6 or worse seasons.
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3 minutes ago, Lobo said:
Oh calm down, Barbara. You and I usually agree on most things. I just got jammed up on first blush because the way people up your way were handling it. There's all kinds of good wake up calls happening all around the nation right now. Some of us and our beloved institutions are just going to play a deeper role and it's gonna sting for a bit but we're all gonna be better for it. You know I like Stillwater, we've talked about this before. Gundy didn't help himself with that video apology, but we'll see. We've miles to go before we sleep. Keep up the good fight this weekend in Tulsa. I'll see you in Stillwater this November. Covid-19 and ability to land a SWA bird there, pending.
Your original schtick was that any school below 25 on US News was a community college. And now you just equated the existence of OSU with the existence of OAN. Trolls will always dominate comment sections and social media, but if you're paying attention, you'll find plenty of fans and alumni supporting the players and expressing real frustration with Gundy after this and the covid shit he said a few months ago. Oh, and those players tweeting about this are all OSU people. So forgive me for continuing to think you're a fucking prick.
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1 hour ago, Lobo said:
It's been hilarious watching some of y'all, who typically hate Gundy/love making fun of OSU & their Mullet Mikey Marauder, spin your way through this.
I can get you a shortcut if you need it. OSU, Gundy, and OAN all represent the absolute worst of America. We'll be better off when they are all gone from this place.
Go fuck yourself. Or maybe I should be more specific. Please grab a large, rusty, metal spoon and shove it up your ass with great force. Fucking prick.
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Just now, cactusflinthead said:
CR invades football again.
Someone should really tell these players about the surly cr rules.
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