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  1. 17 hours ago, blacklab said:

    I knew someone would complain about the wording of the poll, and I knew which way they were going to vote

    examples of current events I consider ok:

    • Protesters were moved out of the way for the president to move
    • The president had a photo op at the church

    actual examples of political talk from last night discussing the same event:

    • Why do y’all argue with that meth headed fascist?
    • You are a dumbass
    • Bro do you even orange man bad?
    • List the virtues of Jesus Christ’s teachings that Donald Trump embodies....
    • Yeah says the party of civil war cosplayers when they can’t get their hair cut 
    • Yeah, says the party of actually burning shit down.
    • Says the party that embraces white supremacists and turn a blind eye to their instigation 

     

     

    This seems like a fair split. But even the first too, the snowflakes will still "aaaaagh CR motha fucka AAAAAAHHHH!"

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  2. 10 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

    A reminder to every member of the military:

     

    Remember the first three words of that Constitution you've sworn an oath to defend: "We the people."  Don't fucking forget it.

    And from the UCMJ:

    When Barr, or Trump, or Esper, order you to violate the Constitution.....don't.  Refuse the order.  Record the order, and all interactions related to the order.  Obtain legal counsel promptly.  But keep your oath.

    You realize his cult thinks that people who make their dear leader look bad are domestic enemies, right? Our hope is that a significant few in high positions interpret it correctly and see what the history books will day. They need to stand up to him and refuse unconstitutional orders to use military force against their own citizens within their own borders. And no resigning. Refuse the orders and make him try to fire you publicly. See whose loyal to the people and who is loyal to the traitor in chief.

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  3. 5 minutes ago, Rougarou said:

    I would challenge this. And I would preface with saying I get where you are coming from and I think it's an intuitive stance based on what we know of a) human history b) the human condition and c) the conflation of an idea of private police with private prisons (not saying this is you, but it struck me as an obstacle to overcome in the hearts and minds of folks).

    I think there could be an argument made that public police is worse for black people than any forecasted model of what private police would look like, if approached from the ground up and transformational way I generally spoke about.

    You cannot convince me that the absolute worst of unregulated capitalism would not infect this proposal. The private prisons analogy is unavoidable. I'm sure they didn't start from the "ground up" with a policy that people in prison would be a financial benefit to private shareholders, but here we are, and private police would be the same.  The second you throw in profit and loss statements, it's no longer a police force, it's a business. As a practical matter, I think you would have a legal obstacle in delegating the state's police powers to a private corporation (which I believe is a problem with private prisons too but not as clearly as privatizing the active exercise of police powers).

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  4. Here's a thought. Defund police, shrink these police forces, reallocate to other areas that can help. We don't need police monitoring traffic and responding to every person in distress. Fund other agencies to try and prevent these things in alternative ways and respond in ways that don't require armed police. Make armed officers smaller more elite for use in limited circumstances that require it, with higher pay, higher prestige, and in return they will be held to a much higher standard for their deadly conduct. Include a much higher payout on death to the family. Being part of this armed force comes with risk that needs to be accepted and acknowledge, not something that you feel you need to use force to protect yourself at all costs. The focus should be on the people you are policing, including those who have acted illegally.  

    https://newrepublic.com/article/157875/pandemic-right-time-defund-police?fbclid=IwAR2uLKdJwwWqZoCubbp7TELGKuBUiACdTCwBUayFICVQqVRDhZajenzc790

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  5. 51 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

    Bob Kroll and the MPD union finally break a week of radio silence. File this under T for tone deaf. 

     

    So it's a political organization. One would expect at least half of any group of people to be of a different political view. That is concerning.

    Edited to avoid a CR issue, despite the fact that this statement includes a direct political message

  6. Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

    So, uh, who is ready for the battle at the White House tonight?
     

    “Protest peacefully and you’ll be heard.” LOL!!! No, you’ll get mocked. There is literally no hope. Burn it all down.

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  7. I appreciate Killer Mikes words, but from where I’m sitting, it seems organizing, mobilizing, and voting hasn’t worked. In fact it seems to me that when black people are heard or obtain even an ounce of power, the revolt from the majority whites come down tenfold on their interests. We elected a black man president and their response was to elect a literal racist (among everything else he is) as an immediate replacement. I hope calm prevails but I get the anger and hopelessness that burning shit to the ground is the only outlet to have anger not only heard but seen.

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  8. 3 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

    Don't think anyone is contending that. At least, I hope not.

    I don't think people are saying it verbatim, but when you see people on social media discussing looting but saying nothing about the murder (or some bullshit like "The murder was bad.....but [long rant about looting]), it's placing more importance on the looting than the murder.

  9. 12 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

    I'm sorry, are you implying that there is any other answer than the fact that the looting is unequivocally wrong and unacceptable? 

    Yes. One can believe that stealing is wrong and that "looting" is not productive for the cause, while at the same time acknowledging the underlying rage and the mental state of people who are angry beyond rationality. Some people truly believe that "looting" is the only way to "rage against the system," and while I don't really agree, I am not going to judge their state of mind, which is irrational in the heat of pure rage. I also think that there is much more destroying going on than "looting," again as an expression of rage. In any event, the opportunists who are just stealing for the sake of stealing should not divert attention to the reason for the unrest. And most important of all, I think it should be clear that the "looting" is not worse than the murder that has set the stage for the current conditions that set the stage for the unrest. 

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  10. 30 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

    Interesting, if you disagree with me shut the fuck up.  Seems like you’re being quite the hypocrite.

    If you think the "looting" is worse than the murder, then yeah, we disagree, and my opinion is that people who think this should stfu.

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  11. A focus on "looting" is to intentionally avoid the reasons for the underlying rage. And that's exactly what it is, pure rage at this point after years of being ignored in pleas for justice and reform. Even if you think the looting is wrong--and we can debate that in a civil manner--don't let it take precedent over the underlying issue. To do so just goes to show that you don't really care about the issue and should probably just stfu.

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  12. 2 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

    I’m hearing more and more older conservatives turn on Trump. A family friend who has been very outspoken with his conservative views announced he wouldn’t vote for the guy. My parents now can’t stop talking about what an asshole Trump is. I think this confluence of Trump and a plague has turned my mom (who, along with my formerly Fox-addicted dad, voted for that fucker in 2016) into a full-blown progressive. She’s livid about the Minneapolis cops murdering that dude, ranting and raving about how bad police have gotten. It’s... shocking. And a welcome change. 

    If we survive the next 7 months, this whole Trump shitshow might have been worth it just to snap some of the Fox News zombies back into the real world of sanity.

    They’re lying. They stood by him as he insulted war heroes and everything else. They may see how bad it’s starting to look on the outside but they’ll still vote for him because Biden is a mask wearing pussy. Trump will still get 63 million votes. Biden will get more from the people who stayed home out of hate for Hilary and is his only chance at victory.

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  13. 15 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

    Two surgeons I work with today said the EXACT same thing.

     

    without an audience yelling at him, that cop prolly lets up. Its totally a “fuck u, im in charge” thing

     

    100%

    Sweet. Bill Barr can now prosecute all the people begging the cop to stop.

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