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Posts posted by HookEm
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He was shitty at UTEP no doubt.
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did i say that anyone said he was a great coach? was i not specifically addressing the countless posts stating that his mediocre 10 years at D-1 schools in multi-bid conferences didn’t reflect on him as a coach because other coaches didn’t win there as well? did i not specifically use the word “good” and the term “good coaches”? so yeah, like you said, literally nobody is talking about rodney terry and being “great”.
its very simple: if RT was a Texas level coach he would have showed as much during the decade in which he got his opportunity. in that decade he made one tourney appearance, never won his league, never won a tourney game, took a lateral move, and then took a downward move to becoming an assistant at Texas. name any coach in the history of college basketball who is both good enough to be the UT HC in 2024 and whose coaching record looks anything like RT’s. spoiler alert: there are none. coaches at this level win wherever they go, and their career trajectory goes upward, not stalled out, sideways, then downward.
Fair enough. You win.
I am now in alignment that if we had an open coaching search we wouldn’t have hired RT based on his history as a head coach prior to Texas.
If anyone disagrees, hopefully the two of you can argue it out in private messages. Cool? Can we move on now? Anyone else disagree?- 1
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Again, nobody is saying RT is a great coach. Literally nobody. If I'm wrong, then post a quote and I'll admit I'm wrong. To claim that any of us are arguing RT is great is in fact "disingenuous".
I have only claimed that he is a "good" coach and I stand by that. Good enough for Texas? Probably not.
Fresno using Massey Ratings:
- After RT - 148.4
- During RT - 108.3 (#71 last year)
- Before RT - 168.1
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From 1980 to 2024, OSU has the #27th ranked program by average end of year Massey Rating. Since 2000, that climbs to #25. That puts them in a peer group with Arkansas, Louisville, Marquette, Georgetown and Memphis.
They should be able to get a top-tier coach. I would have thought they could get someone better and younger than Alford.
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I think we would rather play Virginia. Colorado State is a much more experienced team. 95% of their conference win shares come from seniors. Are efficient scoring the ball, ranking 18th in FG% vs. #257 for Virginia.
CSU has beaten some good teams including:
- #11 Creighton by 20 points! in Kansas City
- #21 San Diego State by 8
- #23 New Mexico by 8
- #26 Colorado by 5
Virginia's best win was waaay back on November 11, beating #29 Florida by 3 in Charlotte. Since then, they haven't beaten a single top-30 team. The best they have done is beat #34 Clemson by 1. They have seen a number of good teams, but the results have been ugly. They played UNC to within 10. Duke blew them out. Virginia Tech blew them out. Memphis blew them out. Wisconsin blew them out.
I wouldn't be surprised if CSU beats them by double digits tonight.
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I think we match up better vs. Purdue than we did back in 2022. We couldn't match their size at all. We started Timmy Allen (6'6, 18 min) and Christian Bishop (6'7, 23 min) and both fouled out. Disu only got 9 min. Brock got 16 min, mainly at PF. Andrew Jones (6'4, 35 min) had four fouls as well played most of the SF minutes.
If we played again, we would have Disu (6'9) and Shedrick (6'11) getting post minutes and could even throw Dillon Mitchel (6'8) in at SF if we wanted to go big.
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16 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:
I'm sure we got bumped to No.7 for the potential matchup with No.2 Tennessee.
Hmmm. Not so sure about this. The committee would have LOVED to match us up as an 8 seed vs. Aggy as a 9 seed. The fact that they didn't tells me we were very comfortably in the 7-seed or better range.
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Hare are our tourney seeds going back a 15 years now that this year's seeding has been announced. For as ugly as this season was, we've had objectively better regular seasons than this only 4 times in the last 15+ years (not counting last year).
2024 – 7 seed
2023 – 2 seed
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2022 – 6 seed
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2021 – 3 seed
2020 (Covid, Likely 10 seed)
2019 – Missed tourney
2018 – 10 seed
2017 – Missed tourney
2016 – 6 seed
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2015 – 11 seed
2014 – 7 seed
2013 – Missed tourney
2012 – 11 seed
2011 – 4 seed
2010 – 8 seed
2009 – 7 seedIs a 7-seed good enough? No. Will RT consistently deliver better results than this? Probably not.
But it is a little above average for us recently, which means it is going to be very tough to fire RT if he keeps delivering these results. Good, but not great - the worst place we could be as a fanbase.
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IF we happen to get past Tennessee (or if they get upset before that), I really think we could beat Creighton. They are the worst 3-seed in my opinion.
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In reality, OU and KState would favored over probably 25 of these teams.
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Haha F OU
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Don’t put it past Barnes looking ahead to Texas and dropping that opening game.
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Big 12 will likely get in 9 including both Texas and OU. SEC will likely get in 8...
Flip UT and OU over to the SEC and now they have 10 in the tourney and the Big 12 has 7.
Yes, the Big 12 is the best basketball conference, but the SEC isn't exactly terrible.
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Graph is interesting, but it isn't weighted at all by the importance of the players who are injured (beyond whether they are a "top 8" player or not).
More interesting would be injury minutes combined with win shares or some other metric to understand the likely wins that were missed due to injury.
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We were ranked #6 in the AP to end the year. I believe Stanford was like #10 and a 3-seed. I'm pretty sure we were favorites.
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On 3/15/2024 at 11:31 PM, Braff Zacklin said:
as good as our '08 team was, I don't think we ever had a shot to beat the Derrick Rose-lead Tigers.
I loved that 2008 team and was at the game in Houston when we played Memphis.
DJ Augustin was a great college basketball player that year. Averaged 19 PTS, 6 AST. 1st Team All-American, 1st Team All-Big 12. Wooden Finalist. Bob Cousy Award. Great player. However...
The chasm between Augustin and Derrick Rose was as big as the Grand Canyon. Augustin looked like a JV player going up against him. Rose was much bigger, faster, more athletic, better in just about every way. Within the first five minutes of that game I knew we had no shot. It was depressing because we were really good.
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Instead why don’t you post the KenPom final ranking by year? The one that sums up offense and defense and strength of schedule and everything else.
Let’s see what it says.
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Yeah agree, but was going for simplicity. Nobody really talks about that as much as Final Fours anyway.
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38 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
Once our team is good in basketball to the level it was in mid 00s then you'll see the difference.
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15 hours ago, MrX said:
Bill Self is the best coach in basketball, then it’s a group that includes Beard, Bennett, Lloyd, Few, Hurley, and Sampson. Pitino is a wild card because he’s at a shitty St. John’s program and he’s old. Not sure where to put him. Then Izzo, Cronin, Drew, Hubert Davis, Cal, Barnes? The Iowa State coach is working his way into this convo.
Here are the resumes of the guys you listed. You really have two sets... the end of career coaches and the mid-career coaches. Barnes and Samson are pretty similar in that they always have solid teams, but don't really have the hardware to show for it. Mark Few only has 2 Final Fours, but fourteen top-10 finishes. Calipari has a great resume but seems to have lost his fastball with NIL and the portal.
- Bill Self (61) - 2 Title + 2 FF + 7 EE + 3 S16, 15 top-10 finishes
- Tom Izzo (69) - 1 Title + 7 FF + 2 EE + 5 S16, 10 top-10 finishes
- Rick Pitino (71) - 2 Title + 5 FF + 5 EE + 1 S16, 12 top-10 finishes
- Mark Few (61) - 0 Title + 2 FF + 2 EE + 7 S16, 14 top-10 finishes
- John Calipari (65) - 1 Title + 5 FF + 6 EE + 3 S16, 14 top-10 finishes
- K. Sampson (68) - 0 Title + 2 FF + 2 EE + 3 S16, 4 top-10 finishes
- Rick Barnes (69) - 0 Title + 1 FF + 2 EE + 5 S16, 6 top-10 finishes
For the mid-career guys, I have a hard time saying Hurley, Beard or Bennett are better than Scott Drew. He has a title plus more elite 8s and more sweet 16s. And he started from absolute zero at Baylor. Also hard to put Beard above Bennett who beat him for a title and has better tourney success and top-10 finishes. Need to see more out Hurley who never even made a Sweet 16 before last year.
- Scott Drew (53) - 1 Title + 0 FF + 2 EE + 2 S16, 4 top-10 finishes
- Dan Hurley (51) - 1 Title + 0 FF + 0 EE + 0 S16, 1 top-10 finish
- Tony Bennett (54) - 1 Title + 0 FF + 1 EE + 1 S16, 5 top-10 finishes
- Chris Beard (51) - 0 Title + 1 FF + 1 EE + 0 S16, 2 top-10 finishes
- Mick Cronin (52) - 0 Title + 1 FF + 0 EE + 3 S16, 2 top-10 finishes
- Hubert Davis (53) - 0 Title + 1 FF + 0 EE + 0 S16, 0 top-10 finishes (only 3 yrs)
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I was at the Gonzaga game. It was a great atmosphere no doubt, but it didn't approach the peak loudness that the Erwin Center was capable of. I was at a KU game, I think around 2008 when we won at home. My ears were ringing for a couple of hours after the game it was so loud. That was probably the loudest sporting event I have ever been a part of. There were a couple of games like that, but they were few and far between.
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If all you care about is defense, then this is the worst squad since 1999. Fair enough.
Instead why don’t you post the KenPom final ranking by year? The one that sums up offense and defense and strength of schedule and everything else.
Let’s see what it says.
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Finally broke down and spent $20 on a KenPom subscription. Some interesting stuff in here. Looking at home court advantage. Things are going to get a lot easier in the SEC from that perspective. And that doesn't account for the fact that all those big 12 teams hate Texas and have by far their best crowd of the year when they play us.
Big 12 - 3 top-5, 12 top-50
SEC - 0 top-5, 6 top-50