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uh oh
this is the same kerr county stuff from yesterday but dramatically expanded
in addition to refusing free sirens paid for with obama money, they turned down free biden money in 21
https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasPolitics/comments/1ltnjf8/we_have_floods_all_the_time_and_small_town/
welp, just in case the regime hacks reddit i'm going to go ahead and copypasta the content
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We have floods all the time and small town politics
DiscussionEdit/ ** Additional information provided from redditor comments below***
I also want to point out that a man named John Cornyn is referenced by Rob Kelly in connection with ARPA funds. The only lawyer named John Cornyn I’ve been able to identify in the state of Texas is the current senior U.S. Senator. Additionally, just last year—on July 25th, 2024—Rob Kelly requested that Governor Abbott declare a state of emergency for Kerr County due to severe storms and flooding.
u/throwawayatxaway added additional context to the timeline of these discussions. The Wimberly flood in 2015 killed several people. Wimberly is approximately 80 miles east of Kerrville.
Pen-cap provided an additional conversation that occured prior to the point where I started this and frankly it is damning.
Commissioners' Court Regular Session 06/27/16
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know we had a baby flood a couple weeks ago, a month or so, whatever it was. And I keep hearing these reports of the old, old system, and I know we're not going to deal with that though. Expect that to be gone where the Jones call the Smiths, and the Smiths call Camp Rio Vista, and Rio Vista blah, blah, blah, along down the line. But it's still there and it still works. The thought of our beautiful Kerr County having these damn sirens going off in the middle of night, I'm going to have to start drinking again to put up with y'all.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- I think this and that's what the committee is going to look at and how to do it. I think the going in position is that we don't need to change anything, and is there a need to improve what we have. And if there's a need to improve how much is improved. And what the options for doing that and what it would cost. And I think the first thing to do is say why change anything. It worked this long and maybe we don't need to do a thing. And then it gets into the thing we talk about earlier today, and that's risk mitigation. And you know there's still people drowned and you know --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I hope you ask the question like who are we notifying, or who are we trying to get the message to? Are they these crazy people from Houston that build homes right down on the water?
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think the thing is you say it's for the general public and the crazy people from wherever they are, from Houston, okay, and then the camps, and then how do you get the message out to those, that's all part of it, so it's a pretty complex project.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm sure it is.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the question is do we need to do anything. And what do we want to do and what can we afford.
MRS. STEBBINS: Commissioner Moser, will you put it on the next agenda for discussion after you have this meeting on Thursday?
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, absolutely, right.
MRS. STEBBINS: Okay, thank you.
JUDGE POLLARD: I would comment that we don't hardly have any crazy people that live here. The few that we do have we handle them through CSU.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Or they serve on this board.
JUDGE POLLARD: I'm just trying to keep us out of trouble here, okay. The media's still here. All right. Any other reports?
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In 2016 Kerr County contracted for an engineering study on their current warning system and were told it was antiquated and inadequate.
Commissioners' Court Regular Session 8/22/16
COMMISSIONER MOSER: We had at our steering committee meeting we invited also TxDOT to participate in that. So the original engineer, and both of them as a matter of fact showed up at that meeting. Their assessment was what existed today, and the Sheriff may want to comment on it, is antiquated and it's not reliable. So we said okay with that, you know, not just that, but we thought that there was a pretty ill-defined system that we have. So the engineering study we thought would be appropriate. If the result of the engineering study says that -- recommends that we enhance the system, okay, buying additional sensors, kind of like Comal County did. Comal County spent a little over three hundred thousand dollars, where they had add 8 locations to monitor the rate of rise of the river and streams.
COMMISSIONER REEVES: And while I agree with Commissioner Letz, that if we have a system that's not working, we need to certainly look at that, technology is great, but still one of the best things, and you may disagree with me is the people up river calling. Because you're probably going to get a call. I've received just this year from calls before it's even had time for a warning to go off, I'm getting texts from Divide Fire Chief, and I think -- where'd the Sheriff go? I sent you a text the other night, you may have got it too from him, but we're knowing probably before, and I know with one flood that we had earlier in the year, by the time you got the warnings going off, it had been too late. Because it was coming out of just some draws that took too long to get downstream.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have one. I'm going to vote no because of numerous reasons. I think this whole thing is a little extravagant for Kerr County, and I see the word sirens and all that stuff in here. And of course, you say that these are steps that will be taken through the years. But that's where you're headed, there's no question in my mind that's where you're headed. And you're determined to do that. But step one of taking these funds out of special projects, out of Road and Bridge, that ticks me off a little bit.
Commissioners' Court Regular Session 10/24/16
Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support. The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents. The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.
The second part of the study contained recommendations for updating the system and sirens were purposely left out even though other areas had implemented them.
Regular Commissioners' Court Agenda 01/09/17
Comal County has implemented a river guage and siren system that includes New Braunfels, Guadalupe County and the Water-Oriented Recreation District (WORD) as funding partners. When gauge heights reach a certain level, emergency management personnel are notified and the siren is automatically activated. Emergency personnel can also activiate the sirens remotely if they know flood water is headed downstream. The data from each gauge, including river height and rainfall, is avaiable online for anyone, including residents, to access.
The filed for federal assistance via a Hazard Mitigation Grant for 976k.
Commissioners' Court Regular Session 01/09/17 Discussing the recommended warning system
COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars. That's a lot of money. All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.
JUDGE POLLARD: Which is when President Obama goes out of office.
(Laughter.)
JUDGE POLLARD: Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --
MS. KIRBY: It's a coincidence.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Going on the record with that it's a coincidence. And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available. So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we've talked about, you know one of the things we said sirens and we said we don't want sirens, too many many people said they did not want sirens when they had these -- when we had these gatherings. Code Red, and I don't know if Dub wants to chime in on this, but Code Red is the same that's going to get information to a lot of people; not to everybody, okay. One of the things that we'll do is identify a point of contact in all of the camps, we won't communicate with everybody in the camp, but we have a point of contact at the camp so that they can disseminate people within -- to people within the camp, like during the summer when kids are there, or to RV parks. Now, if the RV parks want to have a siren themself when something goes up that's up to them. That's not part of our thing. So getting the information to the public is the end item of this whole thing. The first thing is sense a flood, then communicate that information to the local authorities, to the right authorities, and then for them to have a system by with which to disseminate the information to the public.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only thing I have to remind people, unfortunately, I guess I'm one of the ones that – Harley maybe has been around here to see some very devastating floods and quite a bit of loss of life. No matter what we do it's going to be up to the public, okay. The notification is great. I think the -- just the markers, the posts at the crossing is one thing, but it actually oughta state that at that level that your car may wash off, get people's attention at that crossing. The only other thing is, and as Bob can attest to, most of the time it has been informal where we call people. Unfortunately, the time we had the most devastating one down on the east end of the County down at the camps, I was working that night, spent 72 hours pulling kids out of fences. But we call people, we called camps, they made the decision that they thought they could beat that ride, and then that no matter what we do and no matter what we install there's going to be loss of life. It's educating people.
COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I will say and, Sheriff, you can correct me if I'm off base on this, the camps have had a very good system of letting down river if there's a rise, they're phoning their competitors or colleagues down river and letting them know what happened. It's informal as you said, but it's been a very good system to let them know over time.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. The camps and they do, they notify each other, we notify them, they notify -- there's a lot of informal things that really do work real well. It's not totally those unless they try to get them out too quick in trying to beat it. Because this river can come up in a instant, we all know that with the drainage. But it will go down just as quick if they just hold tight with what they've got. But the whole key is just getting people that are traveling up here from somewhere --
COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's my concern is ones that don't live here.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's everybody's concern.
JUDGE POLLARD: So this is kind of an offer, or to see if it's accepted by and also agreed to by UGRA and the City.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct.
JUDGE POLLARD: And if they don't then where are we with this?
COMMISSIONER MOSER: If they don't then we just forget the whole project.
JUDGE POLLARD: Just dead in the water.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dead in the water, right. It's dead in the water.
COMMISSIONER REEVES: Question --
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Or the pun for the Flood Warning System.
JUDGE POLLARD: Dead in the water.
After failing to secure a grant, they continued to kick the can down the road.
2021 rolls around and they have over 5 mil in ARPA funds in their bank and wind up with a grand total of over 10 mil.
Commissioners' Court Regular Session 10/25/21 discussion of communication systems
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I think that's good. I just think that -- you know, I'd like to get an idea of what the Sheriff's radar systems are going to cost. I mean I just don't want to send -- go out and get public input on something and then us just not be able to follow up because we have a priority that's different and we have additional information.
JUDGE KELLY: Well, but let me just explain. What all of these are intentioned to do is to initiate the education system. We need to get the Court educated. We need to get the public educated. Everybody knows that we have over $5 million sitting in our bank account that the Federal Government sent us for these ARPA funds. And they're not really grants, they're funds.
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MRS. LAVENDER: And as the Judge said, there's a huge category. There's a bunch of things that you can spend the money or -- or secure the money to spend. And when we use the term grant, grant is not really what this is. It's just funding that's been made available through this American Rescue Plan Act. It doesn't require a match. It doesn't require, you know, that kind of structure. But it does have strings attached. It's not free money.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that's my concern, Judge. My concern is that from my understanding what the -- well, I won't say LCRA because I know what their number is. The number from the Sheriff's Department, the number from internal communications, we're already over 5 million dollars, so I don't want to go out to the public requesting -- we have no money to do it.
COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, at least we make the determination that that's the first --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But --
COMMISSIONER BELEW: Then it's done. But we haven't made that determination.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's why I think we need to get discuss that phase. We need to get those numbers -- I mean, my opinion is law enforcement and the internal communications are the number one and two. I'm not sure which order. Probably law enforcement first. And -- and I haven't heard the rest of the Court say what their top two priorities are but --
COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Well, that's mine. Because not only does it cover that, it -- the Sheriff's office, communications, getting it up to speed, and also the Volunteer Fire Departments and making sure that we can communicate with other counties. As we saw last winter, I mean, communications is one of our biggest weaknesses and there's the Sheriff up. I'm sure he'll back me up on that. Communications was a problem. Go ahead, Sheriff.
SHERIFF LEITHA: Yeah, I kind of agree with Jonathan, if you go that direction. Now, we had a meeting, did attend with LCRA, a very good meeting, just preliminary. Preliminary, I'm looking at $3 million for just me. That's just us and -- the Sheriff's Office. That's not including we have the constables, we have Animal Control, we have the fire department. There's a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be checked into. Are we going to provide radios or not. But I can tell you, I mean, it kind of shocked me. But that was three million right off the bat. And -- and that's not even going into all the other agencies. Are we going to supply those radios, they're very expensive, to all the fire departments or not. So this is something we really need to look into, if we want to go that direction with the new infrastructure. Also, visiting with the Chief on a daily basis, you know, that's kind of the direction they're going. I've requested to be on the same radio system they are. Only because the fire department dispatch is out of the County. But the radio system will be very expensive.
COMMISSIONER BELEW: And -- but if we upgrade, we will also be able to communicate with the surrounding counties.
SHERIFF LEITHA: Yes. We will be. And it's a very big project. You know, something that's going to take some time. Very costly. And there's a lot of questions, you know. We're opening a can of worms, you know. We discussed we really need the volunteer fire department input. We've already gotten some kickback --I mean some -- some -- you know, and that's why I didn't open this can of worms. It's going to be a long, drawn out process, you know, to do this. It can be done. But like I said, it's very costly. Something I can say like Don asked me, I mean, in the long run in the five year we can save money. We pay over $300,000 a year in tower leases. So there is going to be some savings down the line, just to let you know.
And they still don't update their flood warning system.
The people also didn't want to spend any of the ARPA money because it was tied to the Biden administration. Even the Judge suggests just holding on to the money so that it can’t be sent to states that don’t share their same values. And now we have 10s of people who have died and many might have lived if the county had updated their flood warning system and installed flood sirens along the river like the multiple counties/towns around them did.
Commissioners' Court Regular Session 11/08/21
Resident: Are you accountable to anyone for how you spend it? Or is it a, kind of, a reward and shows your support for this particular program? It's not free money. Being present as we talk. How do we know this? Immediately. Unless you want it on the COVID lies and vaccination pressure, you have to send it back. Those are heavy strings. And those are strings. The deep state harangue and vilified President Trump for calling COVID for what it was and then suggest responses that were non-draconian, and then when Biden took office, the leftist government took its gloves off. It has lied and lied more about this COVID -- about COVID.
The temptation is great, you're accountable, and we would like to know where your allegiance is.
Resident 2: And I'm here to ask this Court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House. And Kerr County should not be accepting anything from these people. They're currently facilitating an invasion of our border, and we're going to support these people? So that's what I have to say. Thank you.
Resident: I happen to know that there is no such thing as free money. It's never government-funded; it's tax-payer funded. So they're taking our money and they're putting strings attached to it and then they're giving it back to us. And they're going to get their foot in the door in this county. We don't want their money. I feel like the people have spoken and I stand with the people. Thank you for your time.
COMMISSIONER BELEW: We have money in the bank, $5.1 million, that was sent to Kerr County.
JUDGE KELLY: We didn't ask for it. They sent it.
COMMISSIONER BELEW: They sent it.
MS. DEWELL: Exactly.
COMMISSIONER BELEW: The money is in the bank right now. Hasn't been spent. In the event that you don't spend it, you send it back. That's part of the Treasury's rules on it. If you do spend it, whatever percentage, there would be no expense to the taxpayers in Kerr County. It would all come out of that account, no matter what you do with it.
JUDGE KELLY: And GrantWorks has been very helpful in -- in getting us focused on what colors between the lines and what doesn't. As of last Thursday, when I got a call from Bonnie White telling me about this -- the problem that y'all were going to present at the meeting, I went and got on the telephone to their Senior Vice President from GrantWorks. And there -- there are discussions that they want to have with us and so we want to sit down and listen to them. And we want -- we want you to hear them, too. Because you're the public. But we -- we need to know and get very comfortable with where we are with this grant before we start taking that money. And the claw back was the first thing. As far as where that money sits for the next year or two, my old law partner John Cornyn tells me that if we send it back it's going to New Jersey or it's going to New York or it's going to --
MRS. LAVENDER: Or California.
JUDGE KELLY: -- or California. And so I don't know if I'd rather be the custodian of the money until we decide what we have to do with it rather than giving it back to the government to spend it on values that we in Kerr County don't agree with. So --
COMMISSIONER BELEW: And any spending of it would have to be done in Commissioners' Court so you'll be able to see it and know it.
They eventually signed a 7.5 mil contract with Motorola in 2022 for a county emergency communications system. The system would provide 95% radio coverage to firefighters, EMS and law enforcement.
But hey at least the USGR has had developing a flood warning system on their Strategic Plan doc since 2022 which they kept rolling to the next year plan.
USGR Strategic Plan 2025
B-2. Work with local partners to develop Kerr County flood warning system
• In January 2017, UGRA partnered with Kerr County in a FEMA flood warning implementation grant request for $980,000. The project was not selected for funding and most of the funds went to communities impacted by Hurricane Harvey.
• In FY18 the USGS installed a high intensity precipitation gauge at the streamflow site on the Guadalupe in Hunt included in the agreement with UGRA.
• During the previous reporting period, a pre application for a county wide flood warning system was submitted to the Texas Water Development Board Flood Infrastructure Fund. The project was invited to submit a complete application, but UGRA declined due to the low (5%) match offered through the grant.
• UGRA participated in the update to the Kerr County Hazard Mitigation Action Plan which addresses hazards including flooding. The final plan was submitted to FEMA in April 2025.
• During this reporting period, UGRA requested bids for a flood warning dashboard that combines multiple sources of data into one tool. The project will also recommend future improvements to monitoring equipment related to flood warning. Information from this dashboard will be used by UGRA staff and local emergency coordinators and decision makers. A contractor for this project was selected in April 2025.
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35 minutes ago, Goredho said:
A 9 year old from the Hunt family died in this. It isn't going to just be swept under the rug.
40 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:I think the broad expectation is that these families will have a price. It will be high, but they'll have a price.
if i were one of the parents my price would be "all heads roll or we turn the state blue"
podium barbie had to look down while trashing the nws - the regime is concerned
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6 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:
Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other. But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.
it seems you are interpreting the concentration of sentiment around the privileged daughters of rich white folk as "shaming"
that's not my intent nor do i believe anyone else on this forum shares that intent
we're in the cloak room, sir
the dead adults in tents and rv's do not represent a threat to the regime
we're not making it about one side or the other
we're using the facts to support a narrative regarding accountability
not alternative facts
real, actual, facts
so, to help you out, allow me to shame the adult camping dead: they and their surviving relatives represent no threat to holding the regime accountable for the atrocity
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57 minutes ago, Js1 said:
Won’t see the light of day
we'll see what happens
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53 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:
I do not understand the accusation either. Just sharing it for info. Perhaps this is the result of an ongoing feud.
ok put aside the deployment/budget contest.....
the STATE had decided ON THE 2ND there was a potential problem.....
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how did 80 people still die?
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50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
The one thing they will NEVER do is take any responsibility.
the rich parents of these white girls that were screaming for their lives as they were ripped away to drown in a biblical flood can choose to make them do so
or they can take the check and take a knee
we'll see what happens
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49 minutes ago, chainsaw said:
I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?
I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.
the last time i checked, the only recurring flash flood in austin, BELOW the balcones escarpment, is shoal creek, and as the author stated, they are trained for HILL COUNTRY flash floods in swift water; now, town lake might be a candidate for a flood..... hold it, sorry, there's a dam with 56% of it's available capacity just upstream.....
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52 minutes ago, bluto said:
Did Trump write that for them, or is that just the style of the day now.
they used the word "ATROCITY" so no, he didn't
wow
this is going poorly for the regime this morning......
ATROCITY
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51 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:
This wild post came out two hours ago from the Austin Firefighters Association. They are apparently furious and claiming that the Austin Fire Chief would not deploy his water rescue teams due to budget concerns.
It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives.Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.Please check this page for updatesWHOA - HOLY SHIT - "DEPLOYMENT ORDERS CAME DOWN FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS ON THE 2ND"
holy fuck
that's bad
that's very bad for the regime
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48 minutes ago, chainsaw said:
It's not that they're white, although it doesn't hurt. It's that they're wealthy, they're influential, and they have on speed dial everyone who matters in Austin and DC. I don't think there will even be a need for lawsuits, they'll just fastforward to Abbott convening a special session to cut each of those families a $10M check courtesy of John Q Taxpayer.
in other words, the parents will have sold their girls' souls for $500k each to stand down and endorse the regime
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1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:
Is New Orleans still below sea level? Is it still in the Mississippi River flood plain?
do you live in or anywhere near houston, corpus, south florida or any place else from matagorda to maine that's subject to hurricane storm surge?
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1 hour ago, South Austin said:
I think lawsuits and rebuild costs (especially if the camp buildings and other improvements were underinsured) are pretty big obstacles to overcome.
And on a related note, since these "rare" flood events are becoming much more common, I wonder how many parents who send their kids to Texas camps located along a river or lake will reconsider. And for those camps who aren't located in areas as vulnerable, you can bet your ass that their leadership will be preparing detailed disaster response plans and circulate those to parents in the coming years.
i like the quotes around "rare" because the aerial imagery makes clear these are not 500- or even 100- year events
if it's flat next to a river in the hill country, it's a floodplain
hydrology
$9.95
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1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:
The Camp Mystic Cypress Creek camp did not flood at all. That is the camp where the kids were evacuated to during the flood.
thank you for this nugget - i had not seen it
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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:
It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.
it should be razed to the ground, all traces of human construction removed, including the foundations and roads, and returned to hill country floodplain
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1 hour ago, crash_davis said:
Fuck these assholes.
Found on Reddit. Very interesting read. From a 2016 assessment of Kerr county's warning system.
One nugget:
Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support. The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents. The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.
Another nugget:
COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars. That's a lot of money. All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.
JUDGE POLLARD: Which is when President Obama goes out of office.
(Laughter.)
JUDGE POLLARD: Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --
MS. KIRBY: It's a coincidence.
COMMISSIONER MOSER: Going on the record with that it's a coincidence. And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available. So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.
if i'm reading this correctly, they turned down $1mil of free fema grant money for storm sirens because it would have meant using an obama disaster declaration to get the money using the 2015 flood which killed the kids in the school bus
there are 2 streets in highland park this morning with green and white ribbons on at least one tree for multiple houses
someone with river oaks access please do a driveby and report back
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1 hour ago, Redneck Mutha said:
Yes, it's a different scale - bigger area, less cell coverage, longer period of time - but it's hard to believe those camps and/or county can't pay OT to sheriff, DPS, BP a few nights a year to keep watch over several thousand young campers and families that are bringing in millions (10s of millions?) to local businesses. Hell, even if it's just one patrolman per camp, at least you can have urgent communication going out to those onsite or nearby officers, they can wake counselors and coordinate evacs to high ground or to better shelter if tornadoes hit.
if 20 sets of white parents call a news conference and angrily demand answers to questions like this the magats are going to scramble like roaches when the lights are turned on - their only recourse will be to eat themselves - they will have no other "other" to attack or blame for the tragedy
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2 hours ago, Bookman said:
It's Monday morning and heads should start rolling but we all know they won't.
it's going to take some time (2 weeks!) to find out if the parents of these girls are going to sacrifice them to the orange god
the republican newspeak regime owns these deaths - as pointed out they've been in power in texas for 31 years - they can't blame biden or kamala or obama for kerrville's idiotic lack of storm sirens - and the serendipity (!) of this tragedy happening on July 4th should not be lost on the religious right - it could have been simply a local texas thing but no - wheels and gnome had to suck orange cock on national presser for no reason whatsoever - so they made this tragedy the ultimate test of magat loyalty - will the parents of these girls sacrifice them to the orange god? - or will they bring the wrath of the god of abraham?
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i think we are going to learn that the campers and counselors:
- were on their own
- had no plan
- had no training on situational awareness
- had no idea a flood was even possible
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It was about 1 a.m. on the Fourth of July when the facilities manager at a central Texas summer camp saw water from the Guadalupe River steadily rising amid a deluge of rain.
Aroldo Barrera notified his boss, who had been monitoring reports of the storms approaching Presbyterian Mo-Ranch Assembly, a recreation destination where an intercultural youth conference had been called off early just hours earlier.
Despite an absence of warning by local authorities, camp officials acted quickly on their own, relocating about 70 children and adults staying overnight in a building near the river. With the kids safe, camp leaders including President and CEO Tim Huchton were able to avoid the catastrophe that hit at least one other camp near Hunt, where the 500-acre Mo-Ranch is located.
“They helped them pack up,” Lisa Winters, communications director for Mo-Ranch, told The Associated Press on Sunday. “They got them up, they got them out, put them up on higher ground.”
They had a plan and executed it. In another report I heard they actually moved a bunch of kayaks and canoes to higher ground also. The same thought process probably went on at La Junta as well. To @troph’s point all the camps should have an emergency plan and drill on it before any kids show up. It’s government’s job to require they have it in place and provide adequate warning.
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41 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:
My take is Camp Mystic is to blame for their tragedy. They are locals and should have been well aware that there were no sirens or advance flood warning system locally. It should have been standard protocol that they have a night watch crew equipped with weather radios or whatever necessary to monitor for any updates from NOAA/NWS. Same goes for Camp La Junta or any other campground in that area. They had plenty of prior warning to move people to higher ground.
Kerr County and anyone involved in neglecting to set up sensors and sirens in a known flood plain should have to answer for the lives of all those poor folks from the RV sites and houses on the banks of the river that were lost.
it is beyond asinine that kerrville does not have tornado sirens in the year 2025
i'm shocked we don't have a state law that requires them for any city of more than 1000 people
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42 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:
I'm not trying to be crass this soon after this tragedy but I can tell you now they aren't going to give one single fuck about this either.
The reason being is any sort of meaningful deep dive will expose the truth of their mismanagement from the top down and just like every tragedy in this state, this is the official position of our Republican overlords:
...and this will probably be the same for a lot of the families (at least the ones running in prominent circles). The main tenant of the modern GOP is solidarity in never admitting a mistake. This will be chalked up to "God's will" and prayers will be asked for, time will pass and nothing will change. To admit a mistake is to admit failure which is not an option for the GOP.
The only time a member of the GOP finds a backbone is when they're retiring or dying. Once they've used up their cache and it no longer serves a purpose, only then do they speak out against the hive mind.
this is the best explanation of why the right cries for the protection of the right in dt
it explains why ana and seed and others write what they write
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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:
The main thing is the necessary aircraft they couldn’t bring in yesterday are coming in now and tomorrow. Something to do with weather and flight patterns and other things as to why they were not there earlier,
these are equipped with things even better than FLIR which is how it’s being described. So if there is someone to find and be rescued or sadly recovered they can get better eyes on them.
synthetic aperture radar using certain frequencies can detect human remains
not above top secret but certainly not openly discussed
the deployment of this level of technology to find these remains is verboten in a 'news' thread
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the us is not getting that call come on
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i saw a clip from this morning where he said "we need to stand down on partisan attacks while recovering and grieving" etc.
again, the regime is now 31 years in to complete and total power in this state
it is impossible to question leadership in texas WITHOUT it being labeled "partisan" by the regime because they are 100% of the leadership