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  1. 2 hours ago, Chopper said:

    Oh...rafael cruises again

     

    i saw a clip from this morning where he said "we need to stand down on partisan attacks while recovering and grieving" etc.

    again, the regime is now 31 years in to complete and total power in this state

    it is impossible to question leadership in texas WITHOUT it being labeled "partisan" by the regime because they are 100% of the leadership

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  2. 35 minutes ago, Goredho said:

    A 9 year old from the Hunt family died in this.  It isn't going to just be swept under the rug.

    40 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    I think the broad expectation is that these families will have a price.  It will be high, but they'll have a price.

     

    if i were one of the parents my price would be "all heads roll or we turn the state blue"

    podium barbie had to look down while trashing the nws - the regime is concerned

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  3. 6 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

    Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other.  But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.

    it seems you are interpreting the concentration of sentiment around the privileged daughters of rich white folk as "shaming"

    that's not my intent nor do i believe anyone else on this forum shares that intent

    we're in the cloak room, sir

    the dead adults in tents and rv's do not represent a threat to the regime

    we're not making it about one side or the other

    we're using the facts to support a narrative regarding accountability

    not alternative facts

    real, actual, facts

    so, to help you out, allow me to shame the adult camping dead: they and their surviving relatives represent no threat to holding the regime accountable for the atrocity

     

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  4. 53 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

    I do not understand the accusation either. Just sharing it for info. Perhaps this is the result of an ongoing feud. 

    ok put aside the deployment/budget contest.....

    the STATE had decided ON THE 2ND there was a potential problem.....

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    .....

    how did 80 people still die?

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  5. 50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    The one thing they will NEVER do is take any responsibility.

    the rich parents of these white girls that were screaming for their lives as they were ripped away to drown in a biblical flood can choose to make them do so

    or they can take the check and take a knee

    we'll see what happens

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  6. 49 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

    I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

    I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

    the last time i checked, the only recurring flash flood in austin, BELOW the balcones escarpment, is shoal creek, and as the author stated, they are trained for HILL COUNTRY flash floods in swift water; now, town lake might be a candidate for a flood.....  hold it, sorry, there's a dam with 56% of it's available capacity just upstream.....

  7. 51 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

    This wild post came out two hours ago from the Austin Firefighters Association. They are apparently furious and claiming that the Austin Fire Chief would not deploy his water rescue teams due to budget concerns. 

    It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).
    The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.
    It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!
    Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!
    It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives.
    Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.
    We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.
    The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.
    As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.
    The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.
    The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.
    I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.
    The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!
    Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.
    Please check this page for updates

    WHOA - HOLY SHIT - "DEPLOYMENT ORDERS CAME DOWN FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS ON THE 2ND"

    holy fuck

    that's bad

    that's very bad for the regime

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  8. 48 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

    It's not that they're white, although it doesn't hurt. It's that they're wealthy, they're influential, and they have on speed dial everyone who matters in Austin and DC. I don't think there will even be a need for lawsuits, they'll just fastforward to Abbott convening a special session to cut each of those families a $10M check courtesy of John Q Taxpayer.

    in other words, the parents will have sold their girls' souls for $500k each to stand down and endorse the regime

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  9. 1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:

    Is New Orleans still below sea level? Is it still in the Mississippi River flood plain?

    do you live in or anywhere near houston, corpus, south florida or any place else from matagorda to maine that's subject to hurricane storm surge?

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  10. 1 hour ago, South Austin said:

    I think lawsuits and rebuild costs (especially if the camp buildings and other improvements were underinsured) are pretty big obstacles to overcome.

    And on a related note, since these "rare" flood events are becoming much more common, I wonder how many parents who send their kids to Texas camps located along a river or lake will reconsider.  And for those camps who aren't located in areas as vulnerable, you can bet your ass that their leadership will be preparing detailed disaster response plans and circulate those to parents in the coming years.

    i like the quotes around "rare" because the aerial imagery makes clear these are not 500- or even 100- year events

    if it's flat next to a river in the hill country, it's a floodplain

    hydrology

    $9.95

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  11. 1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

    It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.

    it should be razed to the ground, all traces of human construction removed, including the foundations and roads, and returned to hill country floodplain

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  12. 1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

    Fuck these assholes. 

     

    Found on Reddit. Very interesting read. From a 2016 assessment of Kerr county's warning system.

    One nugget:

    Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support.  The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents.  The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.

     

    Another nugget:

    COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars.  That's a lot of money.  All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.

    JUDGE POLLARD:  Which is when President Obama goes out of office.

    (Laughter.)

    JUDGE POLLARD:  Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --

    MS. KIRBY:  It's a coincidence.

    COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Going on the record with that it's a coincidence.  And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available.  So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.

     

     

    if i'm reading this correctly, they turned down $1mil of free fema grant money for storm sirens because it would have meant using an obama disaster declaration to get the money using the 2015 flood which killed the kids in the school bus

    there are 2 streets in highland park this morning with green and white ribbons on at least one tree for multiple houses

    someone with river oaks access please do a driveby and report back

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  13. 1 hour ago, Redneck Mutha said:

    Yes, it's a different scale - bigger area, less cell coverage, longer period of time - but it's hard to believe those camps and/or county can't pay OT to sheriff, DPS, BP a few nights a year to keep watch over several thousand young campers and families that are bringing in millions (10s of millions?) to local businesses. Hell, even if it's just one patrolman per camp, at least you can have urgent communication going out to those onsite or nearby officers, they can wake counselors and coordinate evacs to high ground or to better shelter if tornadoes hit.

    if 20 sets of white parents call a news conference and angrily demand answers to questions like this the magats are going to scramble like roaches when the lights are turned on - their only recourse will be to eat themselves - they will have no other "other" to attack or blame for the tragedy

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  14. 2 hours ago, Bookman said:

    It's Monday morning and heads should start rolling but we all know they won't. 

    it's going to take some time (2 weeks!) to find out if the parents of these girls are going to sacrifice them to the orange god

    the republican newspeak regime owns these deaths - as pointed out they've been in power in texas for 31 years - they can't blame biden or kamala or obama for kerrville's idiotic lack of storm sirens - and the serendipity (!) of this tragedy happening on July 4th should not be lost on the religious right - it could have been simply a local texas thing but no - wheels and gnome had to suck orange cock on national presser for no reason whatsoever - so they made this tragedy the ultimate test of magat loyalty - will the parents of these girls sacrifice them to the orange god? - or will they bring the wrath of the god of abraham?

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    It was about 1 a.m. on the Fourth of July when the facilities manager at a central Texas summer camp saw water from the Guadalupe River steadily rising amid a deluge of rain.

    Aroldo Barrera notified his boss, who had been monitoring reports of the storms approaching Presbyterian Mo-Ranch Assembly, a recreation destination where an intercultural youth conference had been called off early just hours earlier.

    Despite an absence of warning by local authorities, camp officials acted quickly on their own, relocating about 70 children and adults staying overnight in a building near the river. With the kids safe, camp leaders including President and CEO Tim Huchton were able to avoid the catastrophe that hit at least one other camp near Hunt, where the 500-acre Mo-Ranch is located.

    “They helped them pack up,” Lisa Winters, communications director for Mo-Ranch, told The Associated Press on Sunday. “They got them up, they got them out, put them up on higher ground.”
     

    They had a plan and executed it.  In another report I heard they actually moved a bunch of kayaks and canoes to higher ground also.  The same thought process probably went on at La Junta as well.  To @troph’s point all the camps should have an emergency plan and drill on it before any kids show up. It’s government’s job to require they have it in place and provide adequate warning. 
     
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  16. 41 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

    My take is Camp Mystic is to blame for their tragedy. They are locals and should have been well aware that there were no sirens or advance flood warning system locally. It should have been standard protocol that they have a night watch crew equipped with weather radios or whatever necessary to monitor for any updates from NOAA/NWS. Same goes for Camp La Junta or any other campground in that area. They had plenty of prior warning to move people to higher ground. 

    Kerr County and anyone involved in neglecting to set up sensors and sirens in a known flood plain should have to answer for the lives of all those poor folks from the RV sites and houses on the banks of the river that were lost.

    it is beyond asinine that kerrville does not have tornado sirens in the year 2025

    i'm shocked we don't have a state law that requires them for any city of more than 1000 people

  17. 42 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

    I'm not trying to be crass this soon after this tragedy but I can tell you now they aren't going to give one single fuck about this either.

    The reason being is any sort of meaningful deep dive will expose the truth of their mismanagement from the top down and just like every tragedy in this state, this is the official position of our Republican overlords:

    ...and this will probably be the same for a lot of the families (at least the ones running in prominent circles). The main tenant of the modern GOP is solidarity in never admitting a mistake. This will be chalked up to "God's will" and prayers will be asked for, time will pass and nothing will change. To admit a mistake is to admit failure which is not an option for the GOP. 

    The only time a member of the GOP finds a backbone is when they're retiring or dying. Once they've used up their cache and it no longer serves a purpose, only then do they speak out against the hive mind. 

    this is the best explanation of why the right cries for the protection of the right in dt

    it explains why ana and seed and others write what they write

  18. 1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

    The main thing is the necessary aircraft they couldn’t bring in yesterday are coming in now and tomorrow. Something to do with weather and flight patterns and other things as to why they were not there earlier, 

     

    these are equipped with things even better than FLIR which is how it’s being described. So if there is someone to find and be rescued or sadly recovered they can get better eyes on them. 

    synthetic aperture radar using certain frequencies can detect human remains

    not above top secret but certainly not openly discussed

    the deployment of this level of technology to find these remains is verboten in a 'news' thread

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