Posts posted by C-Man
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14 hours ago, Sam Lin said:
Random accessory, Wusthof drawer knife organizer. I know everyone has different preferences here, but I have a drawer with these at every house and smile every time I open the drawer. Such a clean, neat, convenient presentation and protects the blades:
Narrow: https://www.amazon.com/Wusthof-Drawer-Storage-Tray-Slots/dp/B000066SYQ
Wide: https://www.amazon.com/Wusthof-Wide-Drawer-Storage-Slots/dp/B0009NMVV4
There are many others that make similar products, some plastic, some wood. I've tried a couple and keep coming back to the Wusthof above for usability and flexibility with knife shape/size/access.
When I get around to buying some Shun steak knives, I'll need to get something like this.
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I mean we all know Lando is an asshole but I do have to side with him on one thing -- everything I've seen and heard about Desert Racer is that it's ridiculously crowded and if you aren't there right at 5, you're looking at wait times of nearly two hours for a table. Not knowing that going in is kind of on you. I'm not subjecting my kids to that kind of wait. At least adults can drink booze to pass the time.
If the food is less-than-special, that's not a great sign as the food is always good at Nick's places. We hooked with friends of ours yesterday for brunch at Nova and the couple went the day before. It doesn't sound like they were blown away by the experience either. She said there are like 20 different Ranch Waters on the menu. Sorry but Ranch Water is 100% agave tequila, fresh squeezed lime juice and Topo Chico (club soda if you don't have Topo).
BTW, isn't Desert Racer supposed to be more California/Baja Mexican rather than Tex-Mex? If it's straight Tex-Mex, I doubt I give it a shot any time soon since I can probably get better food at Avila's which is a whole hell of a lot closer to my place and less hassle getting in and out. But I always thought Desert Racer is intended to be a "night out" type place with people. I think they'll take reservations for parties greater than 8.
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10 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:
C-Man, everyone agrees with you. You are correct. Stop trying to be incorrect, or claiming you are still being accused of being incorrect. The premise is fetch.
YOU ARE CORRECT. Back in 1980, somehow ABC believed it was possible to not medal, and SI picked that up but didn't explain the math, and then 40 years later the wiki reflects that provenance of citation. They were all fetch. YOU ARE CORRECT.
No worries. I was just pointing out that my username was somehow quoted with a response I didn't make on this thread.
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Yeah, this isn't even close to being correct. Finland has already lost to the USSR, and they tied Sweden on Friday. They had to win to avoid finishing 4th. A tie would have gotten the US at least a bronze, and a silver, given Sweden's loss to the Soviets.
If we had lost to Finland, and Sweden had beaten the Soviets by a big enough margin, we would not have medaled.
Somehow that’s attributed to me — I think that was somebody else. -
38 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:
we're not in violent disagreement about you being right about the math. i already said YOU ARE RIGHT on the math subject.
i quoted you above:
"The Finland game was anti-climactic in many ways "
No. It was not anticlimactic in any way shape or form. When we were down 2-1 at the second intermission, and unknown to the entire country then and now, Herb was giving his "fucking graves" pep talk, no, starting that 3rd period, it was not anti-climactic.
Did you watch it live?
Did you live it?
Have you spoken to anyone who did watch it or live it?
Again, I was 7 when all of this was happening. I'm pretty sure I didn't stay up and watch the tape delay but caught the evening cut-ins during prime time. I did, however, see the Finland game after we got home from church. All I'm saying is that the win over the Russians is the point of the story, it was summiting Mt Everest in a sense. Losing to Finland would've been epic fuckup. I realize it clinched the gold and it was certainly more dramatic than it should've been but didn't approach the buildup and release from the game two nights earlier. Granted they had to seal the deal to complete the story.
I was asking if my math was correct and I was figuring things right.32 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:They skated herbies after a game in Norway. But that night, they did not play Norway.
Then that's another mistake by Miracle. I'm pretty sure Kurt Russell talks about them not giving a shit during a game against the Norwegian national team.
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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:
Hollywood knows how to do a drama and remain true to history. The Aviator is an example.
Herb Brooks was not the players' antagonist. He was the Protagonist of the greatest achievement in American Sports History.
The buildup to the game against the Soviets in the movie is not accurate from the perspective of the situational awareness of the protagonists. The scene where they watch film of the Soviets from '76 brainwashes the viewer in to believing that the US facing the Soviets was indeed the "end result which was going to occur" when at the time nothing could have been further from the truth.
And so they end by glossing over the Finland game entirely, they didn't even have the Finn's uniforms correct.
They skip the "fucking graves" speech. For the closing credits they used Dream On, from 1973.
And in the department of get off my cloud while i yell at my lawn.... the ice isn't blue. Like it was in Lake Placid. During that magical 2 weeks, 40 years ago.
The night the boys sleepwalked through the game against Norway and skated lines after, Herb was most definitely an antagonist!
It's Disney -- there's no way they were going to use "fucking graves." Glad they didn't change it a la Big Lebowski in the Corvette scene!
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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:
We will have to choose to be in violent and vehement disagreement.
I mean compared to the ridiculousness of the game against the Soviets.
Here's the math:
Entering MEDAL ROUND
USSR 2 points
USA 1
SWE 1
FIN 0
After USA-USSR and SWE-FIN games
USA 3 points (+1 goal differential)
USSR 2 (+1)
SWE 2 (Even)
FIN 1 (-2)
So if Finland beat the Americans and the Swedes tied the Soviets you could've seen all four teams finish the medal round with 3 points and I don't know how they break that tie -- goal differential? If that's what they use, the Finns would've needed to beat the USA by three goals or more.
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what's bizarre is that the wiki is wrong, you are right, and the wiki was citing sports illustrated:
https://www.si.com/vault/1980/03/03/824423/the-golden-goal-the-us-went-bonkers-when-mike-eruziones-shot-beat-vladimir-myshkin-for-the-winning-goal-as-americas-team-stunned-the-once-invincible-soviets-en-route-to-the-olympic-title
""Great as it was, there was still a little matter of the gold medal to take care of. Going into Sunday's game against Finland, it was possible for any of the four medal-round teams—the U.S., Finland, Sweden, the U.S.S.R.—to win the gold. Despite its astonishing string of upsets and its 5-0-1 record, the U.S. wasn't even assured of a bronze. But America's Team had come too far to lose.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_Ice#Olympic_group_play
""The United States did not win the gold medal by defeating the USSR. In 1980, the medal round was a round-robin, not a single elimination format as it is today. Under Olympic rules at the time, the group game with Sweden was counted along with the medal round games versus the Soviet Union and Finland, so it was mathematically possible for the United States to finish anywhere from first to fourth.[43]""
Yes. But there was no way for the Americans to finish any worse than third after beating the Soviets and the Finns and Swedes tied. Right? -
I'm watching now. Amount of the Czech game they recreated: Zero. They gave the Sweden game about 90 seconds. Romania, 1 crunch, 1 goal. Norway, 1 save, 1 goal. That's the first 4 games of the tournament covered in less than 3 minutes in a movie with a runtime of 136 minutes. West Germany, 1 crunch, 1 goal, 40 seconds.
Next, a scene of Herb Brooks's wife getting him coffee while kids are skating around. He got a telegram from "a lady in Texas that said "beat those commie bastards"". This one scene is as long as the entire bandwidth given to group play.
I stand by my assessment: disneytainment packaging, not fit for purpose.
Gotta remember Miracle is about the team and how it was built with Herb as their antagonist. It wasn’t meant to be a documentary. The entire movie and story is building to the game against the Soviets. Once it’s over, the little epilogue is handled well. The Finland game was anti-climactic in many ways. There were 8500 in the building for the win over the Russians and then two days later for the Finland game. Hundreds of thousands say they were there for the Russian game; don’t think that’s true for the game against the Finns.
If not for Disney, maybe it would’ve been fun to have real-life Eruzione pop-in with an interview segment where he tells the “fucking graves” story. Go to black and just have Eruzione’s voice repeat the line, “your fucking graves.” Then pop up the dedication to recently-passed Herb Brooks. -
4 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:
Depending on goal difference, even with a draw against Finland, we could have not even medaled at all. I remember watching it live. We played the first period like we did against West Germany. The idea that we might not even medal much less not win Gold was a serious possibility in the 2nd period against the Finns.
I don't think that's the case. If the US-Finland tied the Finns would've finished with 2 points in the medal round and the US would've had 3, giving us at least the bronze in that scenario. The Swedes got smoked by the Russians 9-2 so that result would've left us with the silver. Thank God we potted three in the third to clinch the gold, though.
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yes - they covered it
IF YOU LOOSE THIS GAME, YOU WILL TAKE IT TO YOUR FUCKING GRAVES.
stops, turns back...
YOUR FUCKING GRAVES.
drop mic, kill thread, best intermission speech in sports history now, then, forever.
Herb Brooks
August 5, 1937 – August 11, 2003
Yeah. That’s the way I’ve always heard it. Think it’s possibly on the HBO documentary. I’m going to watch that later after the Stars game. -
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3 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:
Leafs fan do you watch this guy? I ran into him when he was poking Boston with a stick for letting Seguin go. He's been on a tear lately.
Holy shit -- that's hysterical. DIdn't even realize that happened tonight. I don't follow them that closely these days, mainly because they've been mostly pathetic for the last decade. I was a much bigger fan during the Mats Sundin era there.
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4 minutes ago, ss13 said:
Hagbard is posting about a one-hour Jeremy Schaap interview special on ABC. Who knows if he even realizes it’s not the game. It’s titled SportsCenter Special on the DTV guide.
Gotcha. It is odd that ABC/ESPN are not showing the actual game broadcast. I watched Miracle this afternoon on NHL Network. In some commercial breaks, Bob Costas interviewed Al Michaels about the game. Heard some of the clips on the Musers on Friday. It was pretty cool. I hadn't watched Miracle in quite some time -- forgot that they didn't even film a scene for the Finland game and Herb Brooks' infamous quip during the second intermission with them behind 2-1. "If you lose this game you'll take it to your fucking graves!" I had it in my mind the quote had been Disney-fied and changed to "freaking graves" or something.
Also, I did not realize the format wasn't a straight knock-out tournament in the medal round and that the game against FInland wasn't a true "Gold Medal Game." You played each team from the other division and then the points earned were used to determine gold, silver and bronze. You carried forward your result with the other team from your division so the Americans and Swedes had one point from their tie and the Soviets started with two points because they beat Finland. The Russians would've won gold if Finland had beaten the Americans. We would've fallen to bronze.
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