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3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:
This a really stupid take. And bad writing. Michigan has had the most success in modern times when they recruited good players from Ohio. Desmond Howard and Charles Woodson being the prime examples but there are many others. Michigan has also been recruiting nationally for a long time. They have to because there's not a lot of talent in Michigan.
I'm not sure how population loss in Detroit has hurt Michigan's recruiting, if at all. But if Stewart's going to compare that assertion to Ohio State, shouldn't he make some sort of case about population shift in Ohio or where OSU's 'ostensible' main recruiting pipeline is? Suggesting Michigan's problems are due to Detroit's declining population affecting their recruiting while OSU "is one of the sport’s premier juggernauts" is pretty lazy analysis.
Your focus is too narrow. The demographic trend is not a metro area or even state-specific issue. It's a huge regional trend that's been in place for 35 years at least. The Great Migration of the early 20th century has been partially reversed for a number of reasons. But what is important from a sports recruiting standpoint is that the African-American population has been moving back to the South for a couple of generations now.
QuoteSince 1965, deindustrialization of cities in the Northeasternand Midwestern United States, growth of jobs in the "New South" with lower costs of living, family and kinship ties, and improving racial relations have all acted to attractAfrican Americans to the Southern United States in substantial numbers. As early as 1975 to 1980, several southern states were net African-American migration gainers, while in 2014, African-American millennials moved in the highest numbers to Texas, Georgia, Florida, andNorth Carolina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Great_Migration
BOTH Michigan and Ohio State have to recruit outside of their region to bring in highly ranked classes. Ohio St has been quite successful at that; Michigan has not. Look at the #2 2018 OSU class: 5 players from OH and 5 from FL. 2 each from VA, MO, TN and 1 each from GA, TX and OK. Half the class came from the South as most people would define it and the top 3 players were all from FL - all of them 5 stars. More than twice as many of OSU's recruits came from the South as from their own region (5 from OH and 1 from PA).
Michigan's geographic recruiting distribution was similar to Ohio State's but they were unable to get numbers of top shelf out of area recruits. Thus their best recruits were regional (1 MI and 1 IN) middling 4-star players and their class was ranked #22 nationally. Michigan got zero players from Ohio and OSU got nobody from Michigan. But that wasn't important at all. The real difference is that Ohio State has the brand name to pull good recruits from other parts of the country - especially the South.
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One really nice thing I noticed while watching the replay was how often the Texas and OSU players would help an opponent off the ground after the play was over. You don't see that degree of sportsmanship much these days - much less as a regular thing throughout the game. Good to see the mutual respect there between the teams as well as the fanbases.
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32 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:
Waking back to the car Saturday and some students behind us were talking about how they “love Sam’s story but don’t know if he is really the one to get us to a championship and how he is not a top 10 quarterback”.
I weep for our future.
Those kids clearly don't understand what they are watching. The coaches are obviously game planning to protect Sam from taking too many hits. When they can do that against a team as good as OSU, that tells me they have a lot of confidence in the rest of the offense and the O-Line in particular to open holes for the conventional running game.
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Rewatching OSU it became clear just how dominant the O-Line was. The left side got caved in frequently using straight zone. On power and counter the pullers were blowing open huge holes with their kickout blocks. The Cowboys rarely got penetration, as reflected by only 3 TFLs (each for 1 yd) and ZERO sacks. I was a bit surprised that Texas averaged only 5.0 YPC but looking at the stats, the 2 kneel downs in victory formation took the YPC from 5.4 to 5.0 and the former is more reflective of what the OL did on Saturday.
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30 minutes ago, Zavala said:
Lulz everyone is so butthurt about Florida being ranked high in the meaningless preseason and early season rankings.
Truth is, they haven't lost. They've lost their best playmaker on offense (Toney), their best two defensive players (CJ Henderson and Zuniga), and their starting QB Franks - who kinda sucked anyway. The backup doesn't seem to be much better. Sure they should be ranked lower, but they play LSU, Auburn, and Jawgia. We will actually get to see if they are worth a fuck in the next 5 weeks. Until then, calm down saying they are the worst team ever, they get everyone's best shot (remind you of anyone) and they've got a win over an in-state rival on a neutral site a week before anyone was playing. It's fun to be a Gator fan right now, shit hasn't gone off the rails.
Remember Florida smashed the fuck out of Michigan in a bowl and started the season ranked lower than Michigan. The rankings are total dogshit.
This seems like an odd place to complain about "butthurt" and UF rankings. I specifically said "the jury is still out" on them and for much the same scheduling reasons you cited. I just have a different take on Miami than you do.
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32 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:
I do like that, despite Jimbo being the common denominator for shit OLs, it’s all the current OL coach’s fault.
Dear Jimbo:
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26 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:
Huge regression.
Rapid improvement of the OL has clearly increased Beck's IQ to near-Mensa levels. That plus a couple of healthy RBs could do the same for Drayton.
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2 hours ago, texifornia said:
Don't care. (Still) stuck with Jimbo...
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6 hours ago, Yesh said:
247 has the composite team score that combines the recruit rankings for the entire team to show the overall talent level. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/ Of course this is based on high school recruit projections and does not include development in college or coaching.
#15 Tennessee
#21 South Carolina
#22 Miss St
#25 Ole Miss
#26 Arkansas
To me the defining characteristic of the SEC is great athletes that are not developed and play under terrible coaching. You watch these teams and you see the huge athletic D-lineman and fast skill players, but they play like garbage.
Very on point. Willingness to bring briefcases to a recruiting battle while fellow crooks look the other way ensures that most of the many prime athletes in the region play in the SEC - even for the bottom feeders. This leads to the self-fulfilling prophecy in the NFL draft as the talent is drafted on potential and measurables even if their college program failed to develop them. Those same players could be drafted higher by going somewhere they could improve and showcase their talent but hearing the same party line from every sports media outlet has the predictable effect that saturation bombardment propaganda usually does.
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217 yards rushing. 5.0 YPC. ZERO sacks.
Other than the rushed play on the failed 4th down conversion, the Texas OL owned the LOS.
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55 minutes ago, LarTXHorn said:Is there any
videotime lapse photography of O'Neal going to the lockers early and coming back getting an earful?- 12
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4 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:
I still dont understand Gundy’s penchant for running the ball all game? What was his pass/run split?
Seems like he ran the ball more than he threw it last night... and essentially helped us win the game
Watching the flow of the game, Sanders was terrible the last couple of drives before OSU started to run the ball almost every down. I suspect this is what Mullet was thinking:
Quote1st and 15 at OSU43 Sanders,Spencer deep pass incomplete to Wallace, Tylan (Kobe Boyce).
2nd and 15 at OSU43 Hubbard, Chuba rush over left guard for 6 yards to the OSU49 (Joseph Ossai).
3rd and 9 at OSU49 Sanders,Spencer pass intercepted by Chris Brown at the UT43, Chris Brown return 10 yards to the OSU47, QB hurry by Moro Ojomo.
1st and 10 at OSU11 Hubbard, Chuba rush up middle for 2 yards to the OSU13 (Moro Ojomo). 2nd and 8 at OSU13 Sanders,Spencer middle pass incomplete to Carter, Logan (Ta'Quon Graham). 3rd and 8 at OSU13 Sanders,Spencer OUT pass incomplete to Stoner, Dillon. 4th and 8 at OSU13 Hutton, Tom punt 30 yards to the OSU43, Byron Vaughns return -6 yards to the OSU49.
4 straight incompletions including an INT probably told Gundy that his freshman QB wasn't going to win the game for him. After some nice runs to start the next drive (at 5:00 left in the game), Sanders further confirmed Gundy's prognosis:
Quote1st and 10 at OSU10 Hubbard, Chuba rush over left tackle for 5 yards to the OSU15 (Ayodele Adeoye). 2nd and 5 at OSU15 Sanders,Spencer rush over right end for 10 yards to the OSU25, 1ST DOWN OSU. 1st and 10 at OSU25 Hubbard, Chuba rush over left guard for 4 yards to the OSU29 (Jeff McCulloch). 2nd and 6 at OSU29 Sanders,Spencer deep pass incomplete to McCray, Jordan. 3rd and 6 at OSU29 Sanders,Spencer pass incomplete to Moore, C.J.. 4th and 6 at OSU29 PENALTY OSU false start (Schneider, Ry) 5 yards to the OSU24. 4th and 11 at OSU24 Hutton, Tom punt 30 yards to the UT46, Brandon Jones return 0 yards to the UT46, fumble by Brandon Jones recovered by OSU Siverand, Kemah at UT46. His QB couldn't win the game throwing the ball. Gundy went with the best of his bad alternatives at this point.
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2 hours ago, HornsOverIthaca said:
The trophy for TCU v SMU should be something more DFW centric. Giant can of hairspray or something.
With the respective student and alumni bases, a giant Needless Markup credit card would be about right...
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36 minutes ago, TexArcher said:
I've been saying for years that the "There are no easy weeks in the SEC!" stuff is a bunch of crap. The bottom half of that league is just about always as bad as the bottom half of every other league. They all pad their records with 4 wins against Lamar and Tennessee-Chattanooga types, so even the worst teams end up a "respectable 5-7 in the mighty SEC."
And an 8-4 team in the SEC counts as a quality win for the 4 teams who beat them, even though that 8-4 team was 2-4 against ranked opponents.
The top two or three teams in the SEC are always legitimately very good. But there's also a lot of smoke and mirrors going on, with help from the media.
Absolutely correct. Virtually every SEC team plays 3-4 overmatched OOC scrubs. There are so many legitimately bad SEC teams that even the mediocre ones are guaranteed bowl eligible. The West gets Ole Miss, Arky and MSU. aggy specifically gets S. Carolina in addition. The East has Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky and South Carolina. Mizzou gets Arkansas every year out of the West so it's nearly impossible for them to miss a bowl as well unless they go sub .500 vs the scum of the East.
The truth is there are MOSTLY easy weeks in the SEC. That doesn't even fully account for the November bye week they schedule every year.
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Hubbard was averaging 6.92 YPC coming in. He ran for 3.27 YPC with a long of 13 yds vs Texas. He also was TFLed 6 times for 17 yards in losses and 4 times for no gain.
Sanders' passer rating was 181.79 with 7 TD, 1 INT through 3 games: 117.23 vs Texas with 0 TD and 2 INT.
Wallace averaged 26.0 yds per catch coming in. He had 16.6 YPC vs Texas.
Prior 3 OSU opponents inflicted a total of 2 sacks, 13 TFLs and 7 PBUs. The Texas defense virtually equaled that in one game: 2 sacks, 12 TFLs, 6 PBUs.
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1 minute ago, RollLeft said:
Even those teams aren't what they were in past years.
The difference between spectacular success and spectacular failure is much smaller in the passing game than the running game. Shifting from the later to the former produces far more volatile outcomes and thus makes upsets more likely. That's one reason why the major powers in the SEC stuck with run-based offenses for so long. There are tons of implications their fans haven't even realized they need to think about yet.
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There are 3 very good teams at the top of the conference: Alabama, LSU and Georgia. There is one good team below that group – Auburn. The jury is still very much out on Florida. Sure they are highly ranked and undefeated but they’ve played no one of consequence. Their best win was over Miami. Based on the ‘canes other games, Gata is a lot better than Bethune-Cookman and comparable to UNC (in football anyway).
The situation with aggy has some parallels to Florida. Loss to Clemson says they’re nowhere near the top tier. Wins over Texas State and Lamar indicate they are well above rock bottom. Unlike UF, aggy has played a good team (Auburn) and lost in rather humiliating fashion. They shouldn’t be ranked and probably won’t be once the polls are in for this week. Historically aggy is the definition of mediocre and there is reason to believe this year will be more of the same.
What sits (mostly) below aggy is just dog crap. 4 of those teams have shown themselves to be on the level of FCS / G5 by losing to teams of that description. And only Mizzou @ Wyoming could be classified as a true road game. Tennessee losing to Georgia State and Arkansas to San Jose State, the worst team in the Mountain West are both going to leave a mark.
After those dregs, there are 3 other SEC teams that already have losses to lower-tier teams from other P5 conferences. Not only did Vandy lose to Purdue, they handed the Boilermakers their only win this season. South Carolina of course suffered defeat at the hands of Mack Brown and the Orange Slice Boogaloo. That is looking even less impressive now since the ‘cocks couldn’t match the obvious institutional advantages of Wake and Appalachian State.
Those who watched KSU beat Mississippi State saw the Wildcats seriously outplay their opponent but kept them in the game with butterfingers. While Ole Miss was already part of the non-P5 loss crowd, we need to add the Cal loss to the ledger. While Kentucky hasn’t added to the list of embarrassing non-conference losses yet, don’t give up on them. They close their season with Louisville so they still have a shot to contribute.
At least half the teams in the SEC would be near the bottom of any P5 conference and have proven it on the field. 4 of those 7 teams have gone down to G5-FCS level opponents – multiple times in the case of Tennessee. Kentucky also looks really bad but their schedule was weak enough that they were able to pull out wins over Eastern Michigan and Toledo.
They SEC is not a strong conference. They have a few strong teams sitting on top of a huge, steaming pile of manure that composes the majority of the conference. No one with a brain will argue against the strength of the top 3 in conference this year. But the image of the conference being strong is highly misleading and mostly false.
Even a mediocre aggy team is virtually guaranteed a bowl every year with 3 pathetic non-conference scrubs, Arkansas, Ole Miss, South Carolina and MSU on the schedule every year. The top of the SEC is formidable but to make the case for the conference as a whole, ESPN and others have to hide a whole bunch of weak to horribad teams. From the front it looks really scary. The rest of it, not so much.
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So far this year 5 of the scheduled auto wins have turned into losses. Wyoming of the mighty Mountain West over Mizzou; FCS Georgia State and BYU beating Tennessee; Memphis defeated Ole Miss.
Yesterday probably the worst team in the MWC beat Arkansas.
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Add Arkansas to the list with their loss to the mighty Spartans of San Jose State.
SJSU was 1-11 in the Mountain West last year.
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Game plan was an A. Bring enough edge pressure and force Hubbard to run straight at the DL who mostly dominated the LOS. Mostly play zone behind with 3-4 man pass rushing aiming to contain the QB and force him to make throws. Mix in a few blitzes to create quick pressure.
Execution was a B+ IMHO. The D faced sudden change situations 3 times. Stopped OSU cold after the interception. Couldn't stop them after the 2 muffed punts. Stuffed Hubbard on critical short yardage plays several times. Got good pressure on the QB late. That created the 2nd INT and made Gundy unable to trust his QB. I think that's one reason he ran the ball so much even trailing in the 4th Q. That and Orlando aligning the D with 4 or 5 man boxes and daring him to run it at the DL again.
OSU's offense was gifted the 2 muffed punts and some really marginal major penalties. Without those I'm not sure they even score one TD. That's a good defensive performance in my book.
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6 hours ago, Tex Pete said:
With all the injuries, we may have run out of players who had practiced on the hands team.
I have no doubt CJ would have been out there. Probably at least 3 of his brother Kirk, Stearns, Foster, Overshown, Green, Thompson and Jamison also.
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4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:
Jimlin? Little White Sumbo?
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3 hours ago, Sbbruin said:
And we squeaked it out with that. But I’ll take it.
You should. Your QB played out of his mind for a good part of the 2nd half.
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The muffed punts made it more interesting than it should have been. Hubbard had nowhere to go most of the night.
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