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  1. 17 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

    I think it’s funny how Trump uses “Junior” as an insult, and he named his kid Junior.  

    That's a good point, but I'm more focused on figuring out why he places an apostrophe behind the word each time he types it.

  2. 4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    Maybe the thinking is that it’ll only get worse?

    That's the only thing I can think of.

    Also, pardon my phrasing on that question where I got the word order messed up. It should've read, "Haven't the Tories been pretty far down in the polls lately?" It seems you correctly interpreted my intent.

  3. 28 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    Lot of rumbling on the soc that the PM is going to call a General Election on Monday.  If that happens, the election would be June 6.

    That's surprising. I haven't looked at any polls lately, but the Tories haven't been pretty far down in them lately. If they are, why not wait for improvement and the scheduled elections?

  4. According to Doctors without Borders: "The pattern of attacks is either intentional or indicative of reckless incompetence."

    Using visual evidence and internal communications, The Times looked at six aid groups whose operations or shelters came under Israeli fire despite using the Israel Defense Forces’ deconfliction system to notify the military of their locations.

    These humanitarian organizations have a direct line to the I.D.F. and come from Western countries, including Israel’s strongest allies. Some of the locations struck had been clearly marked or located in a special humanitarian zone that Israel said was safe for civilians.

    The pattern indicates that in Israel’s battle against Hamas, not even the places with every available avenue of protection are safe from I.D.F. strikes.

     

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  5. 5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    There are also plenty interviews online with Jewish students who say they are living in fear.

    Look at what's happening in NYC.  Jews students have basically gone into hiding.

    You do realize the only violence related to the war that has occurred in the vicinity of UT was a Palestinian student being stabbed a couple of months ago, right?

  6. 6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Nope.  Again.  I started by saying it was an overreaction by the cops, but I also think this is an overreaction by the posters on this board.

    Comparing it to fascism isn't helpful.

    In general, I think we've become a nation of pussies on both the right and left and it's infuriating to me.  Everything is either black or white....and I still live in a gray world.

    Several posts with timestamps on this page.

    https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/883-israel/page/138/

     

  7. 20 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Ok, I can work with that.  Explain 1A in your opinion.  Because my understanding is that it's not absolute, and that creating a threatening environment is one of the areas not covered.  

    Explain how advocating the destruction of Israel isn't creating a threatening environment?  Especially Jewish students?

     

    There were plenty of Jewish students watching the protest. Go to this post and see for yourself. They were not being threatened.

     

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  8. 3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

    Here's the video I watched...seems like a non-event.

    Make of it what you will.

    That's AFTER the cops literally shoved the students off the grass.

    I've seen zero footage showing students attempting to erect tents. They planned to hang out on the lawn and march later in the day over to the capitol building.

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    5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    That is bad juju.  That random protester seems like a real piece of shit.  Anyone who calls for genocide is a piece of shit.  Thus, I presume that you are similarly outraged and inflamed by these pieces of shit calling for genocide, and the organization/state they ACTUALLY REPRESENT:

    If you are upset by some demonstrators using genocidal language - and you should be, calls for genocide and murder are morally indefensible - then you must be ENRAGED when actual leaders and representatives of a State, endowed with real power, do so.  I expect that you are, like many people are.  And many people choose to speak out against that State, its genocidal actions, and its stated genocidal goals.

    But our governor thinks those people should be crushed under the boot before they even say a word, because to speak against those quotes I just gave you is impermissible.

    Johnny doesn't have a problem with any of that language. In fact, he agrees with it as he's affirmatively stated his desire more than once in the war thread that he'd like to see all the Palestinians removed from Gaza. 

  10. 1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

    If we're just talking about the Texas protest, 100%.  But you reference anti-Semitism going back to 2016,  Now we're talking across the country, and it very much is being weaponized across campuses besides Texas.  You're talking about Nazi rallies.  That wasn't Austin.  And no, it's not "helpful" - it's talking about wiping an entire race of people off the face of the map.  This is about what happened in Austin, and they did nothing wrong, but against a backdrop of other campuses, what they are shouting seems problematic.  This isn't death to "America", this is targeted on a very specific ethnic and religious group.  

    Aren't you the guy that posted a link an actual, literal Nazi website once because you thought they were making a good political point about some shit?

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  11. 6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    The Russians were building replacement turbines for their tanks by hand, they are struggling to find the appropriate vehicles to move their troops around (golf carts do not provide a lot of protection from anything) and moving ammo around in Scooby Doo vans, they are fielding T-55 tanks, etc.

    Don't forget the dirt bikes with the custom drone protection Sissy bars,

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  12. 14 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

    That is fucked up beyond reproach. Guessing many of those kids didn't have a high school ceremony with COVID either. And to lose this one as well?

    Protest, fine. Take it to a level where you're encumbering and preventing once-in-a-lifetime celebratory opportunities after you've worked your ass off?

    Go fuck yourselves you unbridled cunts.

    If you're not aware, the recent protests at USC began when the school's administration decided not to allow this year's valedictorian to give her speech at the commencement ceremony because she's a vocal supporter of Palestine.

    edit: yeah, what royiv said with much more detail.

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  13. 8 minutes ago, Bevo said:

    And of course when we sit behind the law, it kind of protects us from doing nothing and answering the question of when we should feel worthless for not standing up. And I should point out that the protestors are not monolithic. As we know the protests have outside support and outside supporters with specific agendas. Some people are clearly anti-Israel but some are antisemitic. There is very clearly a blend between the two. Separating the two isn't very easy.

    There is also a very large share that you are completely ignoring or refusing to acknowledge: those who are neither anti-Israel nor antisemitic but only want Palestinians to be allowed to have their own homeland.

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  14. 33 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

    Like this is a very organized protest across college campuses for what purpose? educate all of us on how sad it is? This 1000 year old war. Make us stop what exactly? Protesting the strikes on Gaza for what end? Why now? Especially after an unprecedented attack by Hamas.

    This is the only on-topic portion of your post I'll address in this thread. 

    Obviously, the overall goal of these protests is for Palestinians to have their own land; HOWEVER, I *think* the most direct action they believe they can take is to get The University of Texas Boycott, Divestments, and Sanctions movement (BDS). Yeah, I don't think that will work out for them over the short term either.

    Another goal, I'm sure, is to raise the profile of the Palestinian cause, especially among those who might influence U.S. policy over the long term (you know, future American leaders, i.e., college kids that go to really good schools). On this point, I think they're likely making headway and will continue to do so if they don't end up shooting themselves in the foot with over-the-top violence or antisemitic actions. From my standpoint, thus far, the UT student activists have been much more successful in curtailing that other stupid shit than their Ivy League counterparts.

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  15. Surveys indicate that about 25% of Americans are authoritarians, which is 10-15 percentage points higher than most Western democracies.

    They also show that among Americans, people living in former Confederate states, Evangelicals, rural dwellers, and the less educated all show higher levels of acceptance for authoritarianism than the average American.

    Let's face the fact that a large percentage of Surly posters would be just fine living under an authoritarian government as long as they were in the in-group.

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  16. 3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

    This convo and prior posts on the topic got moved into this thread by @immamac

    The UT-Abbott thread was merged into the Abbott being Abbott thread, which is here. But the Israel/Hamas debate ain't about Abbott and UT.

    There have been a few comments about y'all going on about this here:

     

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