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  1. On 6/11/2019 at 12:40 PM, Al_4_ISU said:

    A logical solution that preserves what's great about college football.  So of course it has zero chance of happening.

    If Notre Dame had just joined the Big 10, none of this shit would have ever happened.

    Still a long shot, but at least imaginable, is 3 groups each with 10-12 team conferences.   Joint management and TV contracts.  Some within group out of conference matchups.

    BTN group

    Big 10 (12 teams) less Maryland & Penn St.

    Big Atlantic (10-12 teams)-Maryland, Penn St., Notre Dame, ACC Coastal (Pitt/UNC/Duke/UVA/VT/GT/Miami) and perhaps UConn and USF

     

    SEN group

    SEC (12 teams) less Mizzou and South Carolina

    ACC- (10-12 teams) Mizzou, South Carolina, West Virginia, ACC Atlantic (FSU/Clemson/NCSU/WF/SU/BC/Louisville) and perhaps Temple and UCF

     

    West Group

    Pac 12 (12 teams)

    Big 12 (10-12 teams) less WVU + Window Cougars--and perhaps Red Cougars and Cincinnati.

  2. 4 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

    CR has happened in every generation.  A lot seems to have been spaced out in @18 year increments.

    Whenever the way to make money changed.  Big state schools good-small schools in pro markets bad after WWII--realignment.  UGA and OU win lawsuit and end NCAA monopoly on TV-=realignment.  Conference championship games and conference networks=-realignment.

    End of the cable model and move to streaming-next realignment.

  3. On 5/31/2019 at 9:56 PM, rickyspub said:

    ACC paid out an average of $29.5M per school. The end of the article lists the Big 10 at the top with an average distribution of $54M to everyone but Maryland and Rutgers. SEC comes in with a $43.7M per school average, Pac is at $31.5M (or $29.5M if you take out the 'actual cash distributions' claimed by Larry Scott). Of course, it should be noted that these distributions include all T3 media unlike the Big 12.

    Texas probably still tops everyone and the average Big 12 earnings per team is likely in line with the SEC. 

    That ACC # is a projection for NEXT year.

    B1G is $49 million average as MD is getting $26.1 and Rutgers is getting $11.7 million.  The conference that loves to talk about everyone being equal has charged Nebraska $50-$60 million for membership while A&M, Mizzou and Colorado basically became full members upon entry.  Nebraska will take a while to catch up to what they would have earned if they simply stayed in the Big 12 (and the Big 12 schools all voted to keep them in the AAU).  The B1G is charging Rutgers a huge sum.  Looks like its hundred(s) of millions.

    2016-17 is the last year we have good numbers for all the conferences and that was before the B1G got their B$G contract.  SEC $40.9, B1G $36.3, B12 $34.8, P12 $30.9, ACC $26.6.

     

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  4. 22 hours ago, Mach 1 said:

    That fucking Cotton Bowl.  Muffed punt, no words.

    But I was really pissed about the GA TD run - I think it was 4th down - the TX outside linebacker responsible for contain was ankle tackled by an interior GA lineman.  I know because I had a Beta Max tape of the game replayed it over and over. I SEEN'T IT.

    At the time it was kind of like, damn that sucks, but time to move on.  Nebraska was unstoppable, number 1, no chance to jump them playing some weird team from Miami?

    Yeah, then the Orange Bowl happened.

    At the time my UTEP brother told me TX didn't deserve to be National Champs anyway, since TX was #2 and played like #2 in the game. I told him to fuck off.

    It was obvious at the time he got tackled.  I was screaming at the TV.

    We had a discussion on the Shag about that particular year.  I think Nebraska would have won if Texas won.  And Miami's run may never have happened.  Instead, Nebraska was sleep-walking until the 4th quarter.

     

  5. On 2/9/2019 at 4:40 PM, ztejas said:

    One last post before we get back on topic. Since I said "practice squad" I feel like I owe y'all something:

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    And you're right.  This looks more like an SMU picture.

  6. On 2/9/2019 at 10:26 PM, ztejas said:

    Oh I agree. #6 knows her way around a shaft. Just be careful. She has some baggage, for sure, and might be into her teammates. 

    She's too thin to have played volleyball.  Although she's the only one in flats, so she might be the tallest.  And wearing flats indicates self-confidence.

  7. On 2/7/2019 at 10:43 PM, Helobious said:

    He's the UT record holder for single-season passing yards by a freshman. Threw for almost 3,000 yards the same season that Foreman ran for over 2,000. 5-7 team that year, goddamnit Charlie & company. 

     

    That was the #8 passing season by a UT QB.  Only QBS to do better?

    Colt McCoy 2008, 2009, 2007

    Major Applewhite 1999

    Chris Simms 2002

    Sam Ehrlinger 2018

    Vince Young 2005

  8. On 2/13/2019 at 4:56 PM, Dutch said:

    Also impressive how the last 20 years have lowered Cleveland's all-time winning percentage. From 1950 - 1995, the Browns went 365-261-10 (a winning percentage of around 0.570).  The NewCo Browns, 1999-2018, are 99-236-1 for a nifty 0.293.

    The real Browns would be even higher.  The Ravens are #7.

  9. 9 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:


    I would say what we saw tonight was exceptional defense being played. There wasn’t s ton of penalties on either team, no sloppy play, not a lot of turnovers. As a pure football fan especially those who like watching good defense this was a great game to watch imo.

    Lots of dropped passes.  Looked like UT 3 years ago.  And the pros don't call PI.

  10. On 1/31/2019 at 11:44 PM, Magus Ossis said:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    1. You are wrong.

    2. Post less tearing down those who can’t defend themselves, especially in cases covered by (1) above.

    3. Everyone responds to brain disease differently, but there are a number of known patterns. Chronic progressive encephalopathies like CTE impair function of the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, among others. This is a biological change to actual brain tissue that would otherwise perform functions like regulating emotions and exercising restraint. People with advanced disease frequently have their rights curtailed and are assigned custodians as if they were children. God alone knows exactly how bad Nobis’ or anyone else’s disease is until autopsy, but the history I read suggests that Tommy Nobis suffered from a long and devastating biological loss of brain function.

    4. If you have actual medical training that qualifies you to question the scientific literature on this topic, I am all ears. Otherwise, let’s please stick with the science and drop the personal attacks. Let us please extend them the benefit of the doubt and Mortui requiescant in pace.

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    And the article talks about how articulate he was and then how he couldn't get a sentence out.  There was a massive change in him.  And he wasn't an "asshole to everyone."  He seemed to keep it together most of the time.  But a family sees you all the time.

    For CTE and Alzheimer's, getting out of control is one of the most common symptoms.  And I've seen relatives who were once very nice, get very mean and difficult to be around after Alzheimer's  I've spent a lot of time visiting relatives on those locked wards and in nursing homes and seen older people get that way.  I'm sure they weren't all "assholes to everyone" all their life.

  11. 4 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

     

    Are you saying that because some of the symptoms of CTE are personality changes, and aggression, that it means that they are a direct and unavoidable result of the disease itself.  They're symptoms for now.  I believe that for now, with the science still incomplete on the subject, that the aggression and personality changes are more likely the result of choices made.  It's like if someone who is experiencing stress, pain, and depression decides to lash out at a two year old.  We don't blame the stress, pain, and depression.  Those are only the symptoms.  A person still chooses to react.  Whatever that reaction may be, it's a result of a choice.

    You're also jumping around quite a bit with what you're trying to say starting at post #60 (how interesting) when you first reacted to one of my statements.  Do you believe that football and especially CTE made his choices for him in his after football life?  You also said in this thread that you know people who smoke but who don't have lung cancer.  Do you know people with CTE who don't blow up on children?  Do you think it's possible to have CTE and not blow up on a kid?  You typed that the disease makes "their decision making more difficult".  So it seems that you agree that Nobis was making choices.  That's why I'm confused about your reaction to post 60.  Do you think that the symptom of aggression is an actual result of the disease removing the individuals ability to choose how to react to a circumstance which could cause someone to be aggressive?

    Also, in some posts it seems you want to believe that whatever Nobis did in the interaction with the two year old in the article is the disease.  My stance is that he made a choice while experiencing some of the symptoms caused by the disease.  

     

     

     

    You make the choice to be ignorant.  If you read the article and read about the changes in him, you might not be so willing to make yourself look like an idiot.  Or maybe you are a victim of CTE and can't concentrate.

     

    One things for certain.  You have absolutely zero experience with anyone who had dementia or Alzheimer's or CTE.

  12. On 1/16/2019 at 9:37 PM, TwiceHorn said:

    Pretty complete team player.  He's probably good enough, too, to perhaps further his career in the right offense.

    He could start for a lot of P5 schools.  He needs to go as much as it hurts not to have a reliable backup.

     

    Best wishes.

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  13. On 1/20/2019 at 11:48 AM, sushihorn said:

    It's never been a rivalry in any real sense.  We hated them because they were weird and cult-like, not because of anything they'd accomplished in football terms.  For us the game was just another weekend with the chance to laugh at backwoods idiots.  For them it was their Superbowl, jihad and Pride Week parade all rolled up into one.  Their jizz jar filling and human sacrifice rituals culminated in an orgy of hate and envy.  Of course for them the outcome was usually a denied orgasm that built up their humiliation and frustration to even great heights.

    Playing them now does nothing for us.  We are already scheduling better teams from their new conference and elsewhere.  The future non-conference schedule already is loaded with a who's who of elite programs. Let aggy grind their teeth and choke on the bitter dust of their dreams - just as they have for generations.  Actions have consequences.  Let them contemplate that reality without any outlet for the tradition of burning envy for the dominant school in the great State of Texas.

    It probably was in the 50s and before.

  14. On 1/20/2019 at 11:50 AM, MAGS® said:

    I know I'm in the minority on this and will get hit with neg rep, but no shits given....  I want to play them again yearly.   They are insufferable twits that need to be put back in their place yearly by us.   At the moment, they run their mouth and we are left to bama and lsu to do our job for us.   

    They are insufferable 48 weeks a year.  They run and hide the month after the game, but then they come back.

  15. On 1/20/2019 at 12:17 AM, TexArcher said:

    Aggy is Texas Tech with a god complex.

    We already have a Texas Tech without a god complex.

    Wait, you're telling me we coulda played those weirdos the last two years instead of USC?  Oooooh, no thanks.  Fuck off.

    Not exactly.  Texas Tech won more games while both were in the Big 12.  They won 10 more over the last 10 years and 5 more overall.

  16. On 1/19/2019 at 11:09 PM, Magus Ossis said:

    Aggy pres may want to talk to his AD. There was an offer to play on the table pretty recently. It was a mistake to offer, except for the fact that it helped expose them as lying cowards.

    We need to wait another 10-15 years.  The 60s aggys will be too old and the students under 40 will have no history of aggy nonsense regarding Texas.

  17. 5 hours ago, sushihorn said:

    For obvious demographic reasons, the SEC region produces the largest pool of talent at most positions.  The ESPN hype helps the SEC mostly keep them at home.  But a glaring exception to this is the QB position.  Start with the fact that less than 10% of the QBs in the NFL come from the SEC.  That is a shockingly low number and less than half what they send to the league at other positions.  To me the explanation is simple but the supporting factors are complex.  My take is they don’t get great raw material, the coaching and development are far from top notch and the QBs are not challenged by SEC defenses.  This is obscured by the overall talent surrounding the QBs and offenses that don’t make heavy demands on QBs.

     

    It starts with the fact that the best teams in the SEC do not run complex passing attacks.  Few of them run passing spread at all and none do it well.  HS football tends to emulate the top college programs in their area so this filters down to the HS level.  In contrast, spread has become the dominant offense in the Big XII and is widely used by many excellent HS programs in the State of Texas.  Southlake Carroll started 20 years ago, with others following quickly; Westlake and Lake Travis are some of the prime examples today.  Bottom line: Texas produces well coached HS QBs ready to direct and lead complex passing offenses.  Look at the freshman campaigns of Bradford, Colt, Mayfield and Mahomes among others. 

     

    The core SEC region (pre-expansion) doesn’t do much of that.  The fact that 2 of the 3 leading passers in the SEC are from Hawaii and most of the QBs in the league are from outside the core area is a tacit admission that there’s not that much home-grown talent at this key position.  In addition to the two Hawaiians, both Alabama schools brought in players from Texas and others hail from MI, NJ, OH and OK.  To top things off the best home-grown HS talent of the last decade+ chose to play in the ACC.  To further reinforce the point, Bama recruited top 5 pro-style QBs 3 consecutive years this decade.  They had #4 twice (David Cornwell from OK, Cooper Bateman from UT) and #2 (Blake Barnett from CA).  This was followed by the #4 dual threat (Hurts) who came from Texas and Tua from Hawaii.  This is clearly a pattern.  The bottom line is that in total opposition to the talent picture at most positions, the SEC is a talent-POOR region for HS quarterbacks.

     

    The QB situation is a longstanding issue for the SEC.  Their best passing QBs of the last 20 years are a Texan (Stafford from Highland Park) and 2 sons of an NFL pro bowler who got plenty of coaching at home (Mannings).  Cam Newton is arguably the only elite SEC QB produced by HS programs in the region for many years.  The next best SEC QB of the last 10 years to originate in the Southeast is probably AJ McCarron, which pretty much says it all.  McCarron was massively hyped, finally drafted in the 5th round and looks like a career backup – which truly exemplifies QB play in the SEC.

     

    QB development is not a strength for SEC programs to put it mildly.  Of those 4 top QB recruits to Bama I listed earlier, only Hurts and Tua made much impact.  And no one would call either one a polished passer against disguised modern defenses.  Tua and Fromm looked polished until they faced superior pass defenses – which they never do in the SEC.  Plenty of guys put up big numbers in that league without being great passers: see aforementioned AJ McCarron.  Remember that Jevan Snead was one of the best passers in the SEC the moment he stepped on campus in Oxford.  The SEC QBs in the NFL further illustrate the point.  Two (Eli and Stafford) played college ball before the radical changes on offense became widespread.  Stafford was trained in the Texas HS system at Highland Park, Eli at his father’s knee.  Neither required much training at the college level; they were good from day 1.  Dak has the characteristic weaknesses of an SEC QB: poor ability to read coverages and blitzes.  Cam Newton is really the only counter-example.

     

    For a long time, the offensive strategy for the better SEC teams has been to bludgeon opponents with a gigantic O Line and big, powerful RBs.  They would mix in deep shots just to keep you honest.  That’s why you heard Bama, Georgia and LSU QBs described as bus drivers or game managers for years.  This has begun to change recently but mostly at the margin.  Passing has increased but mostly in the form of run game extensions like WR screens and low risk short passes like quick hitches against off coverage.  With great athletes at WR this can result in huge YAC plays but does little to prepare passers to throw against 8 man drops and disguised coverages generally.  If you watch the video of the decision making process that Mike Leach instills in his QBs, the difference is like night and day for development.  SEC QBs generally read one defender, either pre-snap for short passing or the CB when throwing the deep ball at single coverage.  That style requires a strong and accurate arm but not too much thinking.

     

    For reference, the entire SEC, which historically spans 9 states has 4 starting QBs in the NFL: Eli, Stafford, Dak and Cam.  High schools in the State of Texas alone have produced double digits.  Austin area HS programs have 3: Drew Brees, Nick Foles and Mayfield.  Don’t expect anything to change until the leading powers in the SEC radically overhaul and modernize their passing games.

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    Interesting thoughts.  But the fact is that Manning is only #5 on the SEC passing lists.  He was #1 when he graduated.

    #1 Aaron Murray-UGA from Florida

    #2 Drew Lock-Mizzou from Missouri

    #3 David Greene-UGA from Georgia

    #4 Chris Leak Florida-from North Carolina

     

     

    And there is a guy from Georgia helped Clemson win a trophy a week or so ago.

    I don't know about the other states, but Georgia HS football does plenty of passing and has spread teams.

     

  18. 2 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

    Davis had a clean hit I thought.

    It looked clean at the game and I watched it several times on tape.

    He turned his helmet away as he got close and lead with his shoulder.  He hit shoulder to shoulder.  It didn't look like the helmets touched at all (although I couldn't be 100% sure they didn't do a tiny glance of his earpiece to the receivers crown-but there was no movement of the heads-and he certainly didn't lead with the crown).

    The 2nd one was a clear stupid late hit, but if that's targeting, any tackle where they dive at a runner is targeting.  I didn't see anything other than him leaving his feet by diving.

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  19. 1 hour ago, alincoln said:

    UGA just wants to move on.  Contesting the waiver increases the likelihood that the racist incident gets more publicity.

    Not contesting it, makes it seem true.

    Kind of Fields giving UGA a middle finger as he leaves.  I'd nail him on the lie.  Big contrast from when Jacob Eason left Georgia or any number of QBs have left Texas.  Fields hasn't used his redshirt year, so its not like he loses any time.

  20. 2 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

    You need to post a link for those allegations, son.  If true, Fields would not be enrolled at Ohio State right now, which he is.

    Rumors on the Georgia boards.  Heard it from my wife who's a Bulldawg.

    We'll find out quick enough if there is something.  Until Georgia produces something, nothing will be done.

  21. On 1/2/2019 at 2:00 AM, Treefidy said:

    Man, no shit.  Aside from terrible spots all night, that was a complete clusterfuck. 

    It was a personal foul, but I don't think targeting should have been upheld (personally).  Still a dumb penalty regardless.   The punch unsportsmanlike should have been an ejection.  Both penalties should have been assessed, not sure how or why it was "declined" on the GJ foul.  

    B12 refs are almost the worst, PAC edges them by a nose after watching several PAC games this year. They are as bad as that conference

    I watched it a couple nights ago.  It wasn't really even close to targeting.  The first one wasn't either.  And he didn't really punch, he pushed the guys facemask.  Stupid penalty.  The UGA player bumps him and starts mouthing off and he uses his hands instead of bumping back.  A couple stupid moves on that play.

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