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  1. On 7/2/2020 at 11:33 PM, Valmy77 said:

    I mean you are also out there tossing out strawmen like somebody out there is claiming this is going to solve all problems and displaying contempt for people based on your strawman. Oh and ad hominem attacks based on age. Not exactly impressive logic and convincing points.

    Not that "boomer" is great or anything.

    Well he's old enough to have learned he didn't know nearly as much as he thought he did at age 22.  There's a reason males under 25 pay astronomical auto rates.  Its because they tend to do stupid things.

  2. On 7/2/2020 at 6:09 PM, Neonmoon said:

    You think someone who gives money is untouchable. That’s a terrible take. Changing politics? It’s a little more complicated than that. 
     

    Leave the Epstein statue up boys, he donated money! And we like money. If we don’t let the racist donate money, we would be sooo poor. 

    What a moronic comparison.

    Everybody knew Littlefield was a Confederate.  Virtually everyone in the state of his age at that time was.  And he was honored because of what he did for the university in the 1900s, not because he enlisted to defend his state at age 18.

  3. On 7/3/2020 at 6:35 PM, Michael Knight said:

    They lose so many games just call them the Washington Confederate Generals

    DC didn't secede.  So more appropriate would be the Washington Union Generals.  They lost almost all the battles, but managed to win the war.  In fact, one of them wanted to just give up and ran for president in 1864.

  4. On 7/3/2020 at 4:14 PM, Al_4_ISU said:

    Of all the things people have been arguing about changing due to inherent racism, this is probably the most obviously racist.  I think making UND change away from the Fighting Sioux is an overreaction.  It's an obvious homage.  Same with the Illinois Illini.  No offense intended clearly.

    The Redskins are on par with having teams called the Atlanta N*ggers, Seattle Chinks, or Miami Spics.  It's completely beyond the pale (no pun intended) and has been for years.

    I can't imagine being butt hurt about this, but welcome to America 2020, where the Confederate flag has become fetishized by northern Conservatives, and the god damn President is using blatant Nazi imagery in his reelection campaign.  Christ.

    And several Sioux tribes endorsed the Fighting Sioux name.  One or two tribes threw a fit.

    I agree with you on Redskins.

    As for the last paragraph, seek help for your TDS.

  5. 6 hours ago, Bartles said:

    One thing I don't see a lot of reporting on is what's to be done with other fall sports if campuses are able to open. If I was an AD, I would be lobbying to shift damn near everything except FB to the spring. Maybe soccer is OK, and cross country, if you can get enough COVID tests for everyone.

    But volleyball and maybe even basketball should be flexible enough to back their schedules up. Any pre-January activity by other large-roster sports (baseball, softball, swimming) could be delayed too. And I never understood why indoor track exists anyway.

    Besides student/staff safety, there is a cost issue with the amount of tests that would be needed. I'm sure there would be an uproar about special treatment, but as the last few posts point out...

    Yes.  Other than dual sports athletes and cross-country, there's no reason the rest couldn't be in the spring.  And cross-country is about the most socially distanced sport out there.  Maybe tennis where you've got a net!

  6. On 7/3/2020 at 2:41 PM, SubliminalHorn said:

    I posted about this a while back. I don't see how we cram two season together within 3 months of each other with one ending and one beginning. Injury concerns alone makes this not very likely. Maybe we just get used to football being a spring sport? January-February games would sure suck in northern states.

    Spring football.  Fall football.  We do it now.  Just not as long.

  7. SDSU has facility issues.

    Boise won't make it because they don't look anything like a P5 school with their academic profile.  Also, they don't do much well other than football.  But if you are talking solely football merit, its hard to argue.

    The Big 12 looked at SDSU and UNLV but didn't include them.  Their list (in no particular order):

    BYU

    Houston

    Cincinnati

    UCF

    USF

    UConn

    Tulane

    SMU

    Rice

    Colorado St.

    Air Force

     

  8. On 7/1/2020 at 8:28 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

    Pretty hard to argue that.

    Real easy.  Military academies for their own good shouldn't be in the P5.

    If you look at rankings in the BCS era, Boise and BYU are clearly out front.  Then its Houston, Cincinnati and UCF.

  9. To me Littlefield is a non-starter.  While everything should be discussed, if you spit on someone who is one of the biggest benefactors of all time because of changing politics, then why should anyone donate?  The Eyes are not really important except symbolically as what was a universal symbol of unity.  To be offended you have to try really hard to be offended.  Its asinine.  And a school that changes something for that reason is asinine.

    A lot of the requests should be done based on what I know, but it needs to be done properly, not knee-jerk.  And maybe some of the items can be done better than the request.  Maybe for example, a Painter-Sweatt Hall.

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  10. 1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

    Renaming the buildings.  How fucking hard is it to announce that you're going to change the name so that its no longer named after someone who refused to teach black students?  Clemson did it.    Princeton is taking a fucking presidents name off of a building and we can't remove a teachers?

    Princeton has been talking about it for years.  Calhoun has been an issue for years and Clemson just renamed an honors college, not a building.

    And how do you know they are right about the buildings?  Was Robert Lee Moore giving Black students nothing more than a "C" true because Wikipedia reported it?  Yes, its a slam dunk if true, but you need to do more than believe what you see on the internet.  There can also be legal implications.  Was there some sort of gift associated with naming the building after him?

    For example, if UT wanted to rename DKR because of SI stories from the early 70s, would the estate of Joe Jamail (think that was the major donor) demand $30-$50 million back plus interest?

    Finally, you have to decide what the new name will be.

     

  11. 1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

    retweeted by pretty much everyone on the team.

    I appreciate his passion and putting his "money" where his mouth is, but he needs to grow up and learn a little patience.  

    Three whole weeks!!!!

    Its that type of attitude that has the corona virus spreading.  Younger people have run out of patience with being limited with what they could do.

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  12. 1 hour ago, nnm said:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#715709c47dac
    National Bureau of Economic Research concludes the protests are not a contributor to the spikes.  
    Link to the actual paper:  https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

    Abstract:

    Sparked by the killing of George Floyd in police custody, the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests have brought a new wave of attention to the issue of inequality within criminal justice. However, many public health officials have warned that mass protests could lead to a reduction in social distancing behavior, spurring a resurgence of COVID-19. This study uses newly collected data on protests in 315 of the largest U.S. cities to estimate the impacts of mass protests on social distancing and COVID-19 case growth. Event-study analyses provide strong evidence that net stay-at-home behavior increased following protest onset, consistent with the hypothesis that non- protesters’ behavior was substantially affected by urban protests. This effect was not fully explained by the imposition of city curfews. Estimated effects were generally larger for persistent protests and those accompanied by media reports of violence. Furthermore, we find no evidence that urban protests reignited COVID-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset. We conclude that predictions of broad negative public health consequences of Black Lives Matter protests were far too narrowly conceived.

    I’ll let y’all data geeks pick it apart. 

    Its the odd conclusion that the protestors increased spread and everybody else hid in their houses, decreasing spread.

    Its kind of like saying Covid is saving lives because travel is down so people are not getting killed in auto accidents.

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  13. 8 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

    I think it's been young people who either think this is overblown or think it's basically a cold. I've just heard from friends who are testing positive from going on a boat party in Austin. There are pictures all over showing crowded bars, pool parties, and boat parties. No masks and no social distancing. That's what is fueling the current spike.

    Young people, whether hanging out, protesting, looting, ...have gotten bored.  They are ignoring common sense precautions.  For all this nonsense about locking things back up, kids are still going to be out connecting.  They're done with the lockdowns.  I've got a teen.  Its been a battle all along and he's a lot better than many others his age.

  14. 9 hours ago, BradInATX said:

    If anyone is interesting in some data and empirical evidence around Covid and the protests instead of running around with your hair on fire screaming "but the protests!!", here you go:

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

    I suspect most of you are not interested in that though. 

    Cliff's:

     

     

    If this is the one I read before, it says the protests increased Covid among the protestors while decreasing it among everyone else.

  15. On 6/29/2020 at 5:41 PM, Js1 said:

    First off, WRONG on being an obnxious douchebag.  Since it links directly to the primary newspaper in the 7th largest city in the country

    And secondly, deaths always lag by weeks.  You don't test positive and then immediately die.  That's not how this works.  Unless you time traveled into the future, you have no idea what's going to happen. 

    First off, this is Surly.  If you are offended someone is obnoxious, you shouldn't be here.  Second, the Express News was a joke 50 years ago.  Third, pretty much every newspaper is a joke nowadays, unfortunately.

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  16. This data was posted by JRSEC who found it posted by TexasJeremy on a WVU board (eer247).  JRSEC said there was a lot of additional data.  I read a number of good posts by TexasJeremy some years ago (probably on one of the WVU boards).  Its TV viewership for last year by conference and school for national games.

    2018-19 College Football Season's Nationally Ranked Games' Viewership Information:

    1. SEC Total Viewers in Millions: 428.276
    2. Big 10 Total Viewers in Millions: 348.378
    3. Big 12 Total Viewers in Millions: 239.762
    4. ACC Total Viewers in Millions: 233.157
    5. PAC12 Total Viewers in Millions: 181.811



    Average Viewers Per Member for the Conferences

    1. SEC Average Viewers per School: 30.591M
    2. Big 10 Average Viewers per School: 24.884M
    3. Big 12 Average Viewers per School: 23.976M
    4. ACC Average Viewers per School: 16.654M
    5. PAC 12 Average Viewers per School: 15,151M



    The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

    SEC

    1. Alabama 114.364
    5. Georgia 63.410
    9. Louisiana State 49.793
    12. Auburn 34.278
    13. Florida 30.654
    16. Texas A&M 27.081
    20. Mississippi State 22.718
    29. Kentucky 17.038
    35. Missouri 15.103
    37. Tennessee 14.725
    39. Mississippi 13.518
    42. South Carolina 11.626
    57. Vanderbilt 7.948
    60. Arkansas 6.010



    Big 10

    2. Ohio State 86.97
    7. Michigan 54.946
    11. Penn State 37.297
    14. Northwestern 27.360
    17. Michigan State 26.427
    18. Wisconsin 23.788
    24. Iowa 20.686
    27. Nebraska 18.456
    32. Purdue 15.903
    40. Maryland 12.830
    45. Indiana 10.837
    58. Minnesota 7.386
    63. Rutgers 3.038
    65. Illinois 2.454




    Big 12

    4. Oklahoma 65.147
    8. Texas 50,710
    15. West Virginia 27.186
    22. Texas Christian 21.532
    23. Oklahoma State 21.026
    34. Iowa State 15.394
    38. Texas Tech 13.760
    44. Baylor 11.080
    56. Kansas State 8.041
    61. Kansas 5.889



    ACC

    3. Clemson 74.633
    19. Florida State 22.979
    25. Miami 20.019
    26. Virginia Tech 19.422
    31. Syracuse 16.552
    33. Pittsburgh 15.928
    48. Louisville 10.049
    49. N.C. State 9.959
    51. Boston College 9.458
    53. Georgia Tech 8.468
    54. Virginia 8.332
    55. Wake Forest 8.121
    59. Duke 6.727
    64. North Carolina 2.610

    6. Notre Dame* 61.159




    PAC12


    10. Washington 42.313
    21. Southern Cal 21.723
    28. Washington State 18.226
    30. Oregon 17.035
    36. Stanford 14.738
    41. U.C.L.A. 12.317
    42. Utah 11.188
    46. Arizona State 10.480
    47. Colorado 10.364
    50. Arizona 9.56
    52. California 9.017
    62. Oregon State 4.850


     

     

     

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  17. 22 hours ago, Enchubben said:

    Yes I had the sniffles and think it was covid (jerk-off motion). Also since some substantial percentage of positive cases (I’ve seen anywhere from 20-80%) are asymptomatic I don’t think it’s a stretch for a lot of people to think they may have had it with zero or even mild symptoms. Now that testing is convenient and affordable (the point of my post in the first place) I don’t see a problem with people doing it and finding out.

    Regardless, I guess I will find out in a week or so and share results either way.

    Highly improbable at Thanksgiving.  Maybe if it was in January.

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