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Wulaw Horn

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  1. 42 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Going forward, what we do is what’s important.    We need to be willing to more quickly shut down air travel to any  areas that flare up (areas such as Italy and South Korea for example).      

    We should probably have a talk about the success stories here in the US, and whether being aggressive/proactive (such as Ohio) paid off, and at what price (versus being reactive and waiting to see what happens).    For instance, some of us were surprised at how quickly SXSW was canceled (it did make national news, given it was one of the first big events that was canceled), but in hindsight it was a very wise thing to do.

    We also need to think about nursing homes and extended care facilities.  After things die down,  I don’t think taking temps of visitors going forward is a bad thing, as well as keeping certain enhanced cleaning practices around.    Some of those places were ticking time bombs waiting for something like this.   

    Still, here we are in April 18, and only 35,000 confirmed dead, and that is damned impressive.  

    We still have a long ways to go, but I think there are some best practices that will come out of this, that might prevent us from having to do the kinds of lockdowns we’ve seen.  

    We will have to have a serious discussion on the schools being closed.  That hit a lot of people harder than stores being closed, as it tied a helluva lot of workers down.   

    Schools need to open. I say that as a father of 3 kids with a stay at home wife- so if anyone is set up to fade schools being closed it’s me- this is not personal or selfish. 

    We need herd immunity- kids pass this shit around like crazy and don’t seem to be effected all that much by it. Send the little bastards to school so they can infect themselves and bring it back home and infect me and my wife and get this whole shindig over with. 

  2. This video is revolting. They deserve to get fired or have their ticket revoked right now. But I do have a serious philosophical question about doxxing, rehabilitation and the like- whether it be for criminals or just people being criminally stupid, and that is this:

    how long should people have to pay for a stupid action in their life as a youth, and what role should rehabilitation play in society?  Young people don’t have fully formed brains, or thought processes, and don’t know shit about life. Who is to say that they don’t, at some point in time in the future, figure out what hatefulness they were dealing with at this time and become better human beings, and how long should this affect them?  

    Clearly in my mind the second chance shouldn’t start today or tomorrow, but should they be deprived of the opportunity to ever earn a living or get educated for life?  What if they become different people and are rehabilitated?  Similarly, what about people who are felons who do their time, learn their lesson and want to get their shit together? 

    I’m uncomfortable with forever in most cases. That’s a long time and doesn’t let growth make up for dumb mistakes. 

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  3. 21 minutes ago, Lobo said:

    Shit, my bad.  I thought it was Carollton, Texas.  Oh well, these kids are fucked either way with or without my help.  Maybe I'll just forward it to my colleagues at the University System of Georgia just for shits n' grins.  Be a shame if somebody didn't dig the last inch of the grave these kids already dug for themselves.  

    Are you the same person that became unhinges in here about your children. On the football board?  

    Perhaps you should be doxxed with that exchange and have that permanently attached to your record. 

    If that was not you apologies. 

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  4. 26 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

    It wasn't a Nazi flag.  It was used to make a point about the ridiculous rules being made and enforced by the governor of Michigan.

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    Yep. Completely different thing and anyone saying it’s a nazi flag is a disingenuous shit bag that should be kicked in the cunt 

    showing up at a protest waiving a nazi flag=‘s condoning the worst in humanity

    showing up and shouting someone else down as a nazi =‘s acting kind of 

    like a dick b/c you are calling your opponent human scum. Night and day fucking different. Thanks for pointing this out. 

  5. 37 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

    You think Joe Biden could win WV? O.o

     

    I get your point now though, I agree that federal level election have less ticket-splitting than state and local elections.

    Forgot about that one. I think if it would have been a presidential Montana would have gone red in the senate. That puts WVa as really the only outlier in the country as the exception that proves the rule. 

    WVA he’s been rumored to be looking to switch parties from time to time, so, yeah I don’t think that’s a super strong point for “candidates matter a whole lot”. Maybe it’s “candidates matter a little bit- unless you are a pedo or something other similarly disqualifying then you can’t win even in the Deep South”. 

    That’s not fitting on a bumper sticker. 

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  6. 6 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

    I don't know all that much about every state, but in AZ there was loads of ticket-splitting With Ducey crushing (fuck, his opponent was so irrelevant I can't even remember their name) while Synema eked out a win. Same thing happened in Texas with Cruz just barely beating Beto, while Hotwheels cruised to re-election.

    No- I meant between senate and president not senate and governor. Sorry I wasn’t clear. And I was referencing 2018 in the sense the senate went to whichever party I thought would likely win the state if a presidential were held that year- except Montana. 

    Also o said I’d want to see a couple more polls but I meant elections. This is a theory for me but I need to see elections through 2024 before I will think my view is accurate. 

     

  7. Here’s the interesting question about the senate races in light of 2016- does it even matter who the candidate is. In 2016 there was not a single split ticket. In 2018 the races went the way of the state presidential up/down at that moment in time  I don’t get the sense we are electing senators all that much anymore- but rather parties to Senate seats in those states.  

    I want to see a couple more polls before I decide if this is a new rule or merely something happening right now, but my sense is that these senate polls say less about any individual senate matchup and more about the smooth buttfucking coming Trumps way in November. 

  8. 5 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

    You've spent a lot of time talk about the number of deaths, and the significance of this number.

    Let's say tomorrow that 250k die in a bombing somewhere. Or even smaller scale, a series of mass shootings. Something potentially repeatable and difficult to stop.

    Do you really think that Americans would gloss over this and respond with business as usual? This is fundamentally different that car accidents or other stupid fucking analogies; it's not just the number, it's the idea of repeatable, out-of-control incidents that are not already embedded in daily living.

    Yes. I don’t think that life would stop. It’s not how human beings are wired. Even if the aliens land on earth tonight the dog still needs to be let outside to take a shit tomorrow morning. 

    Hierarchy of needs man. Food, shelter, etc. it’s hard wired in us to take care of our basic needs and do our thing. If it was not we wouldn’t survive. 

  9. 44 minutes ago, F250 said:

    Millennials need to toughen up is a pretty common criticism of that particular generation but it ignores the fact that our military is made up mostly of Millennials and they are the majority of our Iraq/Afghanistan war veterans.

     

    Like I said- I like millennials way more than most. The military will always be made up mostly of 18-38 year olds though- that’s not news. There’s a ton to like about that generation. If I’m listing their attributes though grit isn’t top of the charts. 

  10. No money in the market to lose. 

    Income is up with interest rates being down so that’s kept me busy. $3900 worth of stimulus money. So far I’m fine. 

    If we go into a depression I might get got (even though I work for myself) but will probably figure out a way to make a buck or three in that market. 

    I’m not worried about me I’m worried about the bottom 40-60 percent. This is going to kill those guys if this keeps up. 

  11. 3 minutes ago, achooloco said:

    Depends. I try to stay as far away from people while running and definitely do divert onto grass or street while passing others if they are alone or single file. I'd say thats like 90-95% of the time I get anywhere near people.

    But if they are two or three and walking side to side with space between them thus taking up the entire sidewalk, fuck them. If you are walking next to someone, be aware and move to single file if runners/people are approaching or you can hear someone coming up behind you. Being considerate goes both ways. 

    I try to be considerate and move over but if walkers are not being observant and are discourteous by taking up the entire walking space that we both have a right to, then i'll go within a foot or two. We both have a right to the space, so it takes both of us to make an effort to create the necessary 6 ft. But thats just my asshole opinion.

    You should shoulder check them on your way by. 

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  12. 31 minutes ago, gmr548 said:


     

     


    Well, yeah. World keeps spinning. I don't think anyone would argue that. Humans are good at ignoring things beyond what's right in front of their face, sometimes to a fault.

    Depends on what you mean by collectively shrug off. Go on living? Obviously. There will be a legacy in pubic policy, business planning, etc.
     

     

    The tweet I was responding to was basically arguing against the concept of “world keeps spinning”. That’s what I was reacting to. There is a strain of thought in the millennials that if something gets too tough you just curl up in a ball and sit in the corner. 

    I actually like millennials a whole hell of a lot. But man, collectively they could stand to toughen up a little bit. There’s more grit in America (I think) than what that tweet encapsulates. That- and the numbers aren’t all that big to be able to notice by the naked eye. 

    Lets say 250k die in America. That seems like a number higher than where I’d bet we end up but not crazy high, and if I’m low it’s not by orders of magnitude. 

    Translated to my town of 90,000 that would be 69 deaths. Do you think it is at all likely that you would be able to tell if 69 extra people died in your town this year, as opposed to last year, without looking it up?  No way man. No way. 

  13. Just now, Not a cat said:

    To wulaw's point, how many here had heard of the pandemic of 1957 before this?  116,000 Americans died at a time when the population was half what it is now, so it would be equivalent to 230,000 today.  My parents went through it as teenagers and I'd never heard of it.  Without social media and constant news reports, people don't notice shit.

    Thanks man- that was literally the extent of the point I was making. I think there was also one in 1966 or something like that which will probably fit in pretty much with where we end up at with this thing. 

  14. 2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:


     

     

     


    For every post in here with a political inclination there's two or three whining incessantly. Neg and move on. If you think it's attention seeking trolling, don't engage. That's a universal rule.




    Millions would notice the loss of their parents, grandparents, kids, siblings, other family, friends, co-workers, whatever. But yeah beyond that I guess no one would care.

    Of course the world keeps spinning but that's not a reason to shrug off preventable deaths.

     

     

    I"m not making a value judgement about whether or not we should or should not shrug off preventable deaths, what I'm saying is that its demonstrative fact that we, collectively, as a society, do exactly this. If we didn't then we'd all be basket cases and totally and completely be unable to get anything accomplished. The world is a nasty, awful terrible place full of all manner of death and depravity, and if you could feel the weight of that every day it would crush you physically, mentally and spiritually.  So, we shrink the world down to people in our social circle that we care a lot about and another social circle that we care a little about and then everyone else that we do little more than pay lip service to, or that we emote with if it somehow gets brought into our circle. It's like watching the ripples in a pond after you drop a rock in there- it's just how we are wired.

    And that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent all sorts of bad shit wherever we can. I'm not arguing against that. I'm arguing against the idea that we can't/won't collectively shrug this off and get on with our life b/c the world does keep on spinning. It just is. And that tweet got that wrong. Not in a moral sense but in an  absolute sense. 

  15. 4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

    Traffic accidents arent contagious. 

    I didn't say they were. Look man, I like you and always have from the shag, even when I disagreed with you, because you can listen to an argument and respond to that argument, so I'm not going to jump all over you, but please look at the context. I was responding to a post where the guy said American's wouldn't go to work and walk past 100,000's of thousands of deaths because there would be corpses on the street and we wouldn't stand for it. 

    I was saying- this isn't true b/c 1) we wouldn't even notice those deaths if there wasn't a death counter b/c the human mind is incapable of distinguishing between 3,000,000 of something happening in a year and 3,200,000 of something happening in a year without being told, and even then it isn't intuitive; and

    2) we ignore lots of activities that bring lots of deaths all the time in America.

    I was nowhere close to saying Corona equals traffic deaths in the context of my post.  Be better.  Context matters. 

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