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2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:
If I wake up on Nov. 10th, and my worst problem is a bunch of politicians doing something, I call it a win.
This is always the right answer imo, but not what this thread is about in a political forum, obviously.
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4 minutes ago, Mole said:
If the question is do I want a moderate government and a full reckoning with Trumpism, the answer is yes.
I don't think that reckoning is possible with a center right Senate. The problem is bigger than Trump, even though he's a giant problem. We'd still largely have a Senate that voted to acquit. That's an on-the-record, hearty endorsement of corruption.
That needs to be rooted out. If it were possible to root that corruption out without a hard swing left, I'd love it. I don't think that's possible. In the medium term, Trumpism is a champion for the progressive cause.
What’s your political flavor? I think you might be right in your suppositions as to if that’s possible.
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Not really interested in B_T, Hugo etc bc I already know their opinion (and I’m not arguing against that- I’m curious about others on this board who are disaffected former GOP that are now firmly behind the D side)
Trump loses to BidenGop loses Maine, AZ and Colorado, but keeps IA, NC and Mt and wins back Alabama- so 51/49 GOP
House stays as is with a comfortable lead for Pelosi
Trump goes on trial for shenanigans and ends up in prison or being pardoned by Biden if he thinks that’s for the good of the country, but after he’s convicted/marginalized/humiliated and essentially exiled to Mar a Lago
That gets rid of Trump in White House and humiliates him
Gives Dems the power to appoint nominees
Obviously kills any chance of major progressive legislation or very left appointments
makes essentially what happens in this country what can be compromised on by Mitt Romney, Mutkowski, Tester, Manchin (maybe Ron Paul with some civil liberty stuff) and a couple other moderates in Senate with Pelosi and a pretty leftward house
if you wake up on November 10 after all the mail ins are counted and that’s the results are you happy? Ok? Pissed off?
Would you take this as a given to avoid the 35% chance Trump stays on in the White House (I don’t think it’s that high but I saw a couple models have it at that and the betting odds are 53/46), vs rolling the dice and getting everything you want?
as a Never Trump conservative that thinks Biden is a decent man, but wrong about most stuff (not Robert Gates but nodded head in agreement with him when I saw his take) I’d obviously take this deal in a heartbeat- though I’m as uninterested in hearing from other conservatives as I am from progressives on this question
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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:
Does he really need any idea? All he has to do for the entire debate is list out all of the idiotic things Trump has said, done, and not done during his presidency, correcting every lie Trump has told for four years - Obama golf vs Trump golf, grifting of contracts, no healthcare despite promising for four years, people in positions of authority that are completely unqualified, disastrous foreign actions, etc. He could go on for hours refuted every single thing ever said by that moron. Then sum up by pointing to Trump and saying "Everything that guys says is bullshit and I will do the exact opposite."
I think that’s not likely a winning strategy. If you’ve seen 4 years of Trump and aren’t out on him but still undecided it means you don’t find him to be disqualified and nothing said is likely to change that, so Biden Probably ought to make a positive effort for those voters. I think there’s very few of those voters out there.
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29 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:
weird considering he's already done more for black americans than anyone up to and including abe lincoln.
You can always do more!
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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:
my favorite is the emails that start with "let's go ahead and schedule that call we discussed earlier..." and of course it's always from some lead-gen company i've never communicated with before.
so they decided the smart move was to skip the step about assuming i want to speak with them, and go right to essentially blaming me for dropping the ball on some imaginary back-and-forth scheduling conversation. yep, that's gonna get reported as spam, because that's what it is.
i understand the initial notion of "avoiding yes or no questions (that are typically 'no' questions)" and instead favoring actual answer questions, but this ain't it.
Agreed. It’s awful. No we didn’t talk. If we’d have talked I’d have scheduled an appointment to meet with you bro. Get the fuck out of here.
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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:
The lone positive of 3 straight years of overt politicization of the government is that everyone has retreated to their own echo chambers and I doubt there is really any news that will move the needle. I bet Barr anticipated that “NINE DISCARDED BALLOTS!!!!” would be huge news, but outside of Breitbart/OAN it was barely a fart in the wind.That’s not a positive for the body politic, but yeah- I get what you are saying.
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8 minutes ago, G650 said:
No wonder you have such terrible takes.
Did you also hate office space- one of the all time great movies ever? It’s the same kind of humor- demonstrating the humor in daily life of working in a cube farm.
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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
I'm not denigrating the technique in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with what works. it's really just a question of who you are talking to and what you are talking about. Nothing works with everybody. "Who do you know that ____ " is a prospecting technique that can work really well but contains an embedded assumption that people who get a lot of attention from inside sales reps will immediately spot..
Sure. That’s where the disconnect is. I’m asking that question of a dude that is just a regular buyer that we’ve already done a loan for demonstrating our value. It’s like talking to your kids.
did you learn anything at school? Nowhat did you learn at school? We learned about...
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I didn’t mean to drag you into that dog- your quote got in there and I wasn’t smart enough to get it out.
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50 minutes ago, The Dog said:12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
If Biden has a weakness, it’s that he doesn’t have a BIG idea he’s planting his flag in and running with. The good news for Biden is, unlike 2016, Trump doesn’t have any big ideas he’s trying to advance, unless you count Trumpism as a governing philosophy.
Say what you want about the tenants of Trumpism as a governing philosophy, but at least it’s an ethos.
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11 minutes ago, tantric superman said:
Typical meandering Dan Carlin but he pretty much nails it - at least in terms of various non-policy arguments.
https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-320-steering-into-the-iceberg/
I do like his basic argument - the President of the US is the most dangerous person in the world. Is Trump, and his guys, the guy you think of when you are picking people to be the most dangerous person in the world? Or would you rather have Biden or his VP and his Security Council in that position.
Thanks for the Carlin link. I love him with Hard core history- don’t listen to common sense. Is it long? Is it good?
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37 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
Pick Up Artist. A weird, sad subculture.
Those are high risk, low-reward techniques with the wrong people. I work with bankers, venture capitalists, C-level execs, software engineers and startup founders. That kind of thing will get you bounced right out of the room or they laugh at you like Jabba laughed at Luke.
In my world asking someone who instead of do isn’t offensive or high risk. I can’t imagine it’s high risk in any setting but if there’s some group of people that are so awesome that they will cackle at me while hitting the trap door over that cool- I haven’t met them yet though.
I feel like we probably aren’t speaking the same language right now- but like I said- it’s who do you know instead of do you know anyone, it’s how can I help you instead of can I help you. I seriously doubt, if asked with sincerity to any past customer or someone you’ve spent some amount of time building up rapport with, that this is a high risk strategy. YMMV. I’m but a humble purveyor of mortgages and title policies, trying to deliver saving and respect and quality service to the middle to upper middle class, with as many first timers as we can help along for the ride.I’m not trying to close billion dollar deals, and I’m not the sales guy trying to sell ice to Eskimo’s- I’m just trying to tell as many people as possible- hey- I’ve got something that I think is cool over here that I believe in that I’d love to help you with.
I loved Dilbert. Other than the far side and Calvin and Hobbes it was my favorite cartoon growing up when I read the funny papers. Although Dilbert is funny as the out of place engineer he does lack social skills. This thing with the Dilbert creator seems kind of weird to me but I guess I can sort of see it. Is he an engineer (the creator) by trade. Those dudes can get weird especially if they spend time as incels in their life.
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42 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:
As an engineer who often has to field cold calls, I am here to tell you that there is at least one potential customer out there who will cross a salesperson off the list if they open up with bullshit like that. Ask me if we can meet, because I'm the one doing the favor, not you.
Cool. Some will, some won’t, so what, someone is waiting.
It’s not a cheese ball thing. I doubt you’d notice. Who Do you know I can help is a better question than, do you know anyone I can help. If that’s offensive to you cool. SW4 as I said earlier. -
39 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:
Wait, sorry. I thought Hugo's post was separate from the convo. Carry on.
Oh an @Wulaw Horn. I get that you are busy: husband, father, work, etc. but stop by C-SPAN sometime. Here's the link:
They have Biden videos from various debates, interviews, and campaign stops and here is one from him this week in North Carolina. If you click on the yellow stars it takes you to the highlights (the first two stars are the mayor, and Chris Paul, so try the third). Anyway, I watched the whole video and Biden takes questions from various people and spends time talking. No teleprompter although he does have a little cheat sheet (like many of us would to stay on time limits/focus). He addresses his support for minimum wage increase and why among other things.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?476085-1/joe-biden-campaigns-charlotte-north-carolina
Here's one from Duluth two weeks ago where he talks about Buy America as well as his idea for prescription drugs.
In contrast, the current office holder spent his time in Minnesota talking about how great he is and Hillary's emails. He doesn't really seem to know what's going on.
I’m not literally saying neither he nor Hillary don’t have a a single policy initiative- I’m saying it’s just not at all part of any coherent messaging- what they plan on doing- beyond- not be that guy.
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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:
If you can’t win on “Fuck Trump”, the country’s over.It seems like a winning argument. I fully expect it will be. I have a slight pause because Hillary ran on that and didn’t win, but I think that was a her thing more than a message thing. We shall see with this election here.
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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
I was on that site because I did a google search on “Scott Adams PUA” because I was curious if the creator of Dilbert was big in that strange, sad world and ... of course he is.
But yes- to a certain extent, if you scrape away the thick, fragile crust of bullshit, those are all techniques that some salespeople use, particularly in non-consultative but big-ticket sales situations like timeshares and exotic cars.
In consultative selling your ability to close is closely correlated to your personal credibility and whether key, senior people perceive you as a peer and value your opinion. So NLP, while occasionally useful really only helps when you are trying to establish comfort and trust.
Some of the attention/interest stuff can be useful in a technology demonstration, but even then it’s closer to how a magician controls the attention and focus of their audience than the PUA nonsense.Thanks. Dare I ask- what’s PUA?
when I talk about NLP all I mean is this-Instead of asking- do you know anyone... I ask- who do you know that. Instead of asking- will you meet me at an appointment it’s what would be the most convenient time for us to meet- shit like that. No idea if it really works but when it was explained to me why those were better ways to Ask the question it made sense.
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3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:
She hasn't done a press pool interview the entire time she's been nominated as VP. Some of the national press were starting to make that a thing. Along with Biden having a lid on his campaign before lunch like 40% of the month.
The entire campaign at all levels seems to be about letting Trump have the stage to himself to more or less be himself and repel people. I think it's probably a winning strategy. Be as anonymous as possible. Don't be that guy. Don't give anyone any reason to dislike you. Ride it to a comfortable 6-8 point win.
I should add this though, I thought Hillary’s strategy of painting Trump as unfit For office would be a win, but she didn’t have anything she stood for either. I think trumps less popular and Biden is less hated, but if he somehow doesn’t win I’m going to make it a point to believe that you have to run for president with some agenda of your own. Does he have a campaign slogan? Is it something like return to normal or something like that?
Again, I’ve contended the entire year that Trump is imploding and you just stay out of his way, but it is sort of a scary strategy to just basically not try to do much of anything on your own, blend into the background, and cede the stage to the other guy. -
1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:
Wow.....
Those margins look a bit rosy but even if you back out the MOE, that's bad news for Dopey.
Yep. And that matches what I see happening. That said- fox polls seem to tilt D in 2016 and they’ve been on the high end of Biden support this cycle. Doesn’t mean they are wrong, and they have a good rep but I’d be super surprised to see Biden +5 in Ohio.
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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
Agree, but they are doing Biden and Kamala for different reasons. For Biden they are carefully managing his appearances because they want to make the election a referendum on Trump and not get put on the defensive about a random comment or policy proposal. For Harris, I think they want to minimize her profile and attack surface until the debate against Pence so that she comes in with nothing to hit and can go for his nuts from the drop in shocking fashion.
Maybe. I don't know that I believe that but we will see in a couple weeks I guess. The VP is always supposed to be the attack dog, and I guess she did take a bite out of Biden in 2019, but that's a completely different stage and audience. We shall see.
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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
Why the fuck were you ever on that site? Also, I'm not sure that he's wrong about any of that shit- what say you Mr. sales guy?
I don't do much shit beyond neuro linguistic programing when I'm in sales mode, I do try to pay attention to that. Beyond that- I sell myself as authentic, but reading that (why did I read that again) it didn't strike me as implausible.
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10 minutes ago, The Dog said:
W did win in 2004 - and Gore BARELY won it in 2000. Obama won it easily the next two before Trump crushed Hillary there.
Thanks. I couldn't remember if W won in 04, but since you said he did I'm sure it was very near thing. They didn't vote for Bush 41 and he carried something like 40 states, so for them to be in the 10 that went with Mike D (no respect) shows it's not some hot bed of conservatism that is unwinnable for a Dem. But, I think it's fundamentally shifted to the right just like Nevada and VA have fundamentally flipped Blue (and AZ is in the process of).
We shall see.
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6 hours ago, Sawbonz said:
Obama won Iowa twice iirc
The last GOP president to carry Iowa was Reagan in 1984- who carried every state except Minnesota. I could be wrong and W might have snuck out an 04 win in Iowa, but prior to Trump it was an even bluer state in the presdiential than MI, PA, WI and a couple other blue wall states.
I think it's flipped more or less red forever now, but I could be wrong. We shall see this time around.
Anecdotally from my time in Iowa (lots) the IA dems are very liberal and the IA GOP are very conservative. Like a different species.
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18 hours ago, Brandywine said:
Kamala was suppose to make a Big uptick difference in the Biden campaign. I don’t feel like I’ve seen or heard much from her at all. Some, just not as much as she should be, in my option.
She hasn't done a press pool interview the entire time she's been nominated as VP. Some of the national press were starting to make that a thing. Along with Biden having a lid on his campaign before lunch like 40% of the month.
The entire campaign at all levels seems to be about letting Trump have the stage to himself to more or less be himself and repel people. I think it's probably a winning strategy. Be as anonymous as possible. Don't be that guy. Don't give anyone any reason to dislike you. Ride it to a comfortable 6-8 point win.
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Spencer Rattler seems like he sucks
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That a boy. If I didn’t have a volleyball game to go to at 1:30 I’d be doing the same.
IT’s the first real day of college football. That’s a good reason for an eye opener.