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On 11/14/2019 at 7:27 AM, Johnny Sack said:
What’s the cite on that 9 to 1? Because that’s highly doubtful to me.
https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/pdf/FactSheet.f1573740480.pdf
9 executions for every exoneration, roughly
On 11/14/2019 at 7:30 AM, Johnny Sack said:Bayardo’s testimony was sound in Morton. The DA just misrepresented it to the jury
His time of death testimony was bullshit, and that was the scientific evidence the jury relied on along with the note and Ken Anderson’s completely made up trial theory
On 11/14/2019 at 9:09 AM, Johnny Sack said:Been slow at work this week. I've read through the trial transcripts. The evidence presented against him was very compelling.
Still wanting to see the punishment phase trial transcripts. Because that has the testimony and evidence of the other women he raped (not admissible in guilt/innocence phase). I have seen it summarized in state's brief and criminal court of appeals opinion with record cites. But would like to read the transcript. It is not downloaded to this site yet. But this has the trial transcripts for anyone interested:https://rodneyreedfulltruth.com/4-may-4-1998-morning-session-opening-statements/
Thanks for taking the time.
My buddies and I have a saying when we are rolling into court prepared to give the state a beating on a good case....we call it “channeling our inner Lisa Tanner.” Because when you see her command a courtroom, you better hope you aren’t the defendant. Or the defense attorney, because she is damn good.
On 11/14/2019 at 9:55 AM, hayden_horn said:this is a great point. i hate it when we use other allegations to convict someone of another crime. look, he may have done it, and the case may stand on its own merits. i honestly haven't done the research that @Johnny Sack has on the case. but it seems to me that if his guilt is so clear, why not test the goddamn belt? put the whole thing to bed. the rampant stonewalling by district attorneys in this state on dna testing is something i see as a massive problem, given the number of exonerations we have seen. the whole system was supposed to be built in this manner: "all presumptive evidence of felony should be admitted cautiously, for the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
we often lose sight of this in our bloodlust for justice.
i would also like to see a citation on that 9-1 ratio, mostly to use myself in the future.
https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/pdf/FactSheet.f1573740480.pdf
On 11/14/2019 at 10:40 AM, Johnny Sack said:I don't think that at all. I think he is guilty as shit for Stites. And his other offenses establish he is a serial predator.
Just like if a Ted Bundy victim had his DNA on her. Him claiming it was do to a consensual relationship wouldn't go far with me.
Yes, I agree. I wasn’t up to speed on the priors, and the media coverage makes it sound like he was definitely wrongfully convicted. I question now whether he was. And I don’t like him being used as the DP poster boy.
If he claims it was a consensual relationship, all the other assaults come in evidence to disprove his trial theory.
For some of you lay folks who do not understand criminal law, typically prior bad acts are not admissible to show that the person committed the offense on the occasion in question. However if the defendant takes a position that there was a lack of intent, or there was a mistake, prior similar incidents can be offered to rebut that theory. Imagine in a sexual assault of a child case, if the defendant was saying touching that girl where I did was just an accident, I didn’t do that intentionally. And then there was 10 other little girls that said he says he accidentally touched me there too. Or put his character in issue by offering evidence that he would never do something like that, and there are many others no claim he did. Or to rebut the defendant’s trial theory that the complainant fabricated the allegation
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On 11/14/2019 at 9:35 AM, SquishMitten said:
Then you should’ve gotten a better attorney. One who asserts defense of others.
I’m sure there are examples, but I’d bet there are more instances where a Texas prosecutor chose NOT to file murder charges in my scenario than that chose to pursue it. And I bet a lot of those didn’t make it past the grand jury.
In either case, it seems like he got a fair trial and had plenty of opportunity to raise these issues beforehand. Sorry if this latest appeal rings hollow to me. Like I said, I don’t support DP for someone who commits murder. But violent, serial rapists don’t get any sympathy from me. Personally, I think rape is worse than murder. The dead person isn’t suffering anymore. The dead person doesn’t benefit whatsoever from DP. But the rape victim will be traumatized for the rest of their life. I think for those victims, knowing their rapist can never come for them again actually provides some level of healing. And when you’re talking about raped children? DP is better than they deserve.
I misunderstood your question. Or maybe it depends on the facts. Right then and there, and it was actually defending her, then no problem. If it was some kid, and I pulled the kid off her and stomped his head in after the assault was over? Well that might be a different story.
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1 hour ago, SquishMitten said:
Fuck it. I’ve been thinking about saying it all day, but now I’ve had a few drinks (and emotional after the Willie and Kacey Musgraves duet on the CMAs).
As someone who is generally against the death penalty ... execute the vile piece of shit. He deserves far worse than a “humane” execution for what he has done to numerous women and children, and there’s no amount of reform a prison sentence could accomplish. Not saying this is the case here, but sometimes a broken system still works out in the end. The world will be better off without him.
Then test the belt afterwards to see if there needs to be further investigation.
* I’ll probably regret this post in the morning, but I’m now watching a news segment on the case. It’s really disturbing how this guy is being made out to be some sort of saint when he’s, at a minimum, a violent rapist and pedophile.
Edit to add: For anybody questioning the end result or my comment about a broken system occasionally working... if you walked in on someone raping your 12 year old daughter and you killed them, do you think you’re guilty of murder and/or do you think you would be successfully prosecuted and imprisoned for murder?
Yes I would be guilty of murder, and my attorney would prove by a preponderance of the evidence that I acted in sudden passion due to an adequate cause, thereby reducing the punishment from a first degree murder 5-99 to a second degree murder 2-20, then put on character evidence for what an outstanding citizen I am, getting me the minimum 2 years to do as murder convictions are not probation eligible, assuming we are in Texas.
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:While I disagree with making this guy any kind of poster child for the death penalty or conviction integrity, I also vehemently disagree with using his other alleged crimes as justification for his punishment, whether death or life without parole.
Until and unless he's convicted of those crimes, we just need to STFU about them.
Agreed. 110 percent.
Look, chances are high Reed is a shitbag that needs a softpoint to the dome, but the Stites murder charge needs to be evaluated on its merits. And the other (still unadjudicated) cases on their own. Let the chips fall where they may in a court of law. But if we are going to impose capital punishment, the defendant deserves a fair trial with every procedural safeguard the system can provide.
Right now the system has a history of doing a piss poor job, and the Reed case has some fucked up evidence in it (Thanks to Dr. Bayardo, same M.E as Michael Morton case).
For every NINE persons executed since the DP was reinstated, ONE has been completely exonerated. Actual 1508 to 166 as of today.
NINE TO ONE. Think about that.
The justice system has to be better than that
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Also try MAN, that might save you some cash over LHR
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Anyone have some current POC tips for me, I'm heading down soon. I fished there for 15 years but haven't been back in 6 years. I know the area well, it's just been a long time. Thanks in advance
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Todd’s Orlando....the guy who makes the over easy money
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What the fuck is Sam doing
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The Over under is 58
isn’t the over free money?
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31 minutes ago, HenryJames said:
Pics?
You just made the list, buddy
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14 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:
How exactly does one go about "free" getting of said guns?
Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk
It’s a perk in my line of work.
i don’t get to chose which one, but the price is right.
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Pretty good week this week was. Got these 2 for free.
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We played like shit and were within 7 points of the best teams in CFB
Our entire back end of the D is injured. LBs are injured. Our best lineman missed half of each of the last two games. What remains of the entire defense is inexperienced.
Football is a man's game and we have a bunch of boys trying to play it.
Y'all knew it was going to be a rough D with no injuries. We were beset with catastrophic injuries.
What concerns me more is the offense. There is talent on the line. There is talent at RB. There is more than enough talent at WR and QB.
What the fuck are we doing out there?
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Well I hopped on surly about an hour ago to hit the gun owners thread and post about my new sig 226 but after reading the recruiting thread and the football board while watching the 7th inning, I think I’ll skip the gun owners thread and just stick the sig in my mouth
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3 hours ago, bmbmd said:
There’s a reason it’s still for sale.
the neighbors?
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Tuesday was the last day for the Chase's 80K point SWA offer
On Wednesday, SWA moved the finish line out further for 125K for a companion pass.
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Like everyone else on surly
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Speed, vision, visibility, perception, attention or lack thereof, reaction time and stopping distance are common factors in auto / motorcycle accidents
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An alcohol concentration of 0.02 is about one beer
“THC” in his system means nothing, unless it is the active form of it, which means recent use. And even when the active form of it is detected, quantifying impairment is at best an educated guess.
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former University of Texas football star Cedric Benson had a blood alcohol level of 0.02 and tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in his system at the time of a crash that killed him and his motorcycle passenger in August, according to an autopsy and toxicology report released by the Travis County Medical Examiners office Wednesday.
The legal blood alcohol limit while driving in Texas is 0.08. THC is the intoxicating agent in marijuana and other cannabinoid products.
Experts interviewed by the American-Statesman said that it is difficult to determine from the autopsy when THC entered Benson’s system and whether it played a role in the crash.
Benson, 36, was killed in a fiery crash in August on RM 2222 near Mount Bonnell Road after colliding with a van. He was traveling east at a high rate of speed when authorities said the van entered 2222 after checking for oncoming traffic. His passenger, Aamna Najam, 27, of Houston also was killed. She had a doctorate in audiology from UT.
Austin police have said that they are still investigating the crash and that the result of the autopsy would be a critical piece of evidence. The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission also has said that it is possible that they would open a full investigation based on the results of the autopsy into whether Benson may have been served alcohol.
Benson had posted a picture on Instagram that night of his motorcycle and captioned it “My Saturday evening.” -
8 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:
You're assuming that what is seen by the body cam is the same as what is seen by the officer. Humans have pretty good adaptability to low-light vision, much better than the shitty camera the officer was wearing.
As far as shit scattered outside, I'd love to meet the prowler whose MO is to leave shit strewn about outside to alert any passersby to their presence... The entry is a bit disheveled, but it wasn't like she was expecting the company of a hit squad that night.Respectfully sir, you know nothing about vision and perception, or adaptation, as it relates to human beings
Start here: http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/nightvision.html
also I watch more police body cams in one day than you have seen in your life
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5 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:
Jesus man for real? Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you think it's reasonable that a messy lawn and entry escalates to suggest a burglary, aggravated robbery, sexual assault or murder.
I said from a defense perspective
i think this cop clearly fucked up, but I’m not inclined to join the knee jerks here without considering all the facts.
I’m just pointing out things that I think went to the cop’s state of mind at the time ...and what you might see argued in court
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24 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:
Good thing you aren't a cop. If you are scared of the dark and scattered lawn equipment then you definitely shouldn't have a gun.
Hey, fuck off
I’m pointing out what the officers state of mind might have been.
dark equals low light, low light means vision and hence information may be limited.
amd shit scattered around may have made him uneasy about a crime in progress
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I agree that there was some very poor procedure and a lack of common sense here
i am just pointing out things that may have gone to the officer’s state of mind at the time.
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From the defense perspective, what I see from the video
230am, dark, is it a dicey neighborhood? I don’t know, I’ve never been there but crime rate has to be considered, like if there have been recent home burglaries
House not secure, door open, storm door closed. Lights in but no one appears to be present
general clutter around the exterior of the house, lawn equipment scattered about, maybe suggesting theft or burglary
and the thing that bothers me the most, is when you look in the home thru the door, there is shit scattered about, all over the floor, making it look like there might have been a struggle within the home, suggesting a burglary, aggravated robbery, sexual assault or murder.
i can see why the cop was scared
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