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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I'm not "blaming" I'm observing objective reality. Getting out competed is capitalism at work, and it turns out that fratbro buddies can't help you skip the line like their daddies did.

See this is where we disagree. You aren’t being outcompeted at capitalism- the opportunity to do that is what you missed. The fratbro buddies, as it were, are in a stronger position now than they were before, in part by including affluent and well connected people beyond white males. But it’s MUCH harder to get there without affluence and connections than it used to be.

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Except the auto industry wasn't solely responsible for economic growth in the 60s, and they weren't driving up prices for consumers across the board (electric, water, and commodity) with their reckless debt spending

That’s a topic for another thread, and I wouldn’t limit it to the auto industry but the industrial oligopolies of the post-war period very often did exactly that. What separates those scandals from their modern analogues is that when they were discovered people sometimes went to prison.

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9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Nearly everyone else in the thread has interpreted your posts as saying essentially that.

I must have missed everyone else accusing me of race-baiting or promoting race-baiting as a political strategy.

10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I must have missed everyone else accusing me of race-baiting or promoting race-baiting as a political strategy.

I mean, before you clarified it seemed like you were arguing "we need to play along with their grievances to get them to listen to us" given that's the author's thesis. In another context, he would be saying we should take Jan6'ers seriously because enough of them believed the lie and well shucks we should just accept it

I work in engineering, and it's a completely different world than journalism and entertainment. I will say that I have put out a few job postings in rural Kansas, where most people don't really want to live, looking for engineers in some cases and people with agricultural backgrounds in others, and we don't get many white male applicants at all, despite those fields being dominated by white males. These are entry-level positions and applicants are typically gen z. The male applicants that we do get are way less organized than their female counterparts and they don't interview as well.

12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I mean, before you clarified it seemed like you were arguing "we need to play along with their grievances to get them to listen to us" given that's the author's thesis.

I’m not sure there is more action to be taken here than just acknowledgement (that there are losers in our efforts to promote diversity). I think the appeal of his argument to people like me is that too many progressives tend to have a real blind spot, almost an arrogance, about the utilitarian merits of their policy preferences and then are wildly confused when the electorate picks candidates opposed to them. “What’s wrong with you idiots? Quit voting against your self-interest!!!”

What @Bozo_Casanova has repeated more than once is that those policies may indeed be good overall, but it doesn’t FEEL like that if the you’re on the losing end and those people are going to vote against you AND tell their friends.

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