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Nicole44

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  1. FYI a live presser from Jeff Gray the Utah County DA is speaking on the shooter. He made his own decision based on the evidence to seek the DP. There is no word so far on whether CK’s widow has weighed in or if her if she has even been asked for her feelings or wishes. None of that.
  2. Thanks.😊 I’m just a lame ass normie. I struggle and fail to be in the know about stuff these days. In my high school days we just had Goths. That was it. And Goth encompassed many people who probably would have formed their own or different group under LGBTQ instead of goth. And when the Columbine Shooting happened it was then a war on Goths. And the media just lumped in all of them. Not saying back in HS the Goths didn’t hate us normies or nerds or jocks bc they absolutely did…but it was like all of them got lumped into the shooting category. And it was sad and unfair to see that play out when I was in school. But it was Amarillo High School. And there were Not a ton of options for us Sandies. (Mascot of my HS) Utah said he is seeking the death penalty. On the assassin
  3. Between the 71 year old man who seems like a complete whack job to the community of furries and the roommate/possible love interest this case is tailor made for surly. Like AI gifted them with it. Question: so if a male is attracted to a male who is transitioning to be a woman…what is the appropriate term for the non-transitioning male? Nonbinary? I just want to know the correct term in an effort to be respectful. Does that mean the male is gay? Bisexual? In the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 spectrum where would the shooter fall IF IF IF his romantic partner is a male transitioning to be a female? Sorry to be confusing.
  4. It’s really depressing. People under 40 likely have no fucking clue what a huge loss all these actors are to the film industry. They made Hollywood what it is. It’s like a shell of itself movie wise without all of them. Their absence from film too (some of them the last decade plus) is felt. Sad. I have seen the movie The Natural dozens of times. And this scene always gives me the chills. I loved him in Legal Eagles even if it was cheesy. Everything. Cannot understand why no Oscar. Too handsome? Goodbye Hobbs. 😭
  5. I’d like to think if I was in an online group and someone said “hey i got a gun and I’m headed to go kill so and so” that I’d turn their asses in. I am not saying this is what happened here. How do you know if they are even serious? I bring this up bc almost every shooter in the last decade has communicated their intentions online and it doesn’t seem like anyone took the hundreds of so doing this shit seriously at all, sad.
  6. I will say I belong to a good group. Not like you fine people here. I was invited in which was cool. One of our founders, Peter Hyatt (OG of statement analysis) did sadly pass away earlier this year from a rare form of cancer but we have a lot of former police and FBI in the group. thank you guys for sharing insights though. We just don’t know a whole lot about Utah or how their procedures work. Yeah typo. I’m trying hard not to give these shooters names and fucked up, the shooter obviously. Lol. 😂
  7. So the expectation I am seeing from a few networks is that CK will be formerly charged. Patel is facing some senate questioning on the Hill prior to the court appearance. Not sure why? Or does anyone know? Is it a closed session kind of thing?
  8. I feel ya. In the true crime community the DA and the indictment aren’t the be all end all. In one of our cases Suzanne Morphew, we absolutely think it was her hubby Barry. We think they have the right person, but the DA fucked up the first trial, and now we feel they have the time of death (TOD) for her wrong. And that may fuck up the case. But we tend to give respect and weight to the prosecution but we don’t blindly go “yeah we believe this shit 💯.”
  9. That would be cool. People won’t use it properly bc surly is surly. But at least having a thread like that you go into it knowing what to expect. Rampant speculation and conspiracy theories. Just call it “follow the white rabbit.”
  10. RIP. Loved him in lots of things. Genuine good person too. Really helped the indie film industry. These great actors are all around the same age. We are losing the great ones. Old magic Hollywood. The new crop isn’t and never will be close to the Redford type of actor. IMO.
  11. Skepticism is how we roll. I just mean we watch videos and go to podcasts that most people aren’t aware of. There are some podcasters in the true crime community I absolutely LOATHE. But I will still take a look at their information if they have scoop. Like TMZ is a similar thing. Sometimes they have a good source. Like when they obtained that camera footage of the shooter walking/ limping to campus. So all I mean is we don’t disregard a piece of evidence simply because of the source but we try extremely hard to get corroborating sources. So if we can’t, we still consider what the source says, but we don’t give it as much weight, it’s kinda like a Venn diagram basically. most of us are mappers in how we build our cases. If any of this shit makes sense. hopefully the court appearance is earlier in the day. It doesn’t sound like the assassin is cooperating at all right now.
  12. Agreed. I do see that. I also see propaganda in a lot of coverage on other platforms. I try my best to weed through it. Basically our sort of motto is if someone has an exclusive interview then we watch it regardless of the platform. Bc it’s a piece of the puzzle. Or helps to shine light on one. Twitter going batshit over Candace Owen’s making that claim. This shit is just already weird and getting weirder, then you also have bots doing their bot shit. People making up shit. It’s getting to the point where I need like two back up sources for every one source. Even if a source or platform means well they could be spreading wrong shit. Common in all investigations but this is way worse bc of the politics and everyone wanting their to be a motive that works for their group, thankfully my private group doesn’t care about that, we just want the real answers realizing we may not get them at all. But in spite of that we aren’t going to fill the void if there are no answers just to satisfy a particular side or a belief. If we don’t get the answers so be it but we aren’t trying to create ones either.
  13. Sure. Most of y’all aren’t in my true crime community. A separate deal. So we are agnostic about sources and what not provided the source can be corroborated. We listen to and watch everything. Podcasts, TikTok local YT people in a particular case. All local news and so on. We just want whatever we have to be confirmed in our private and not public chats. so when I use sources I’m not looking at it thru a left or right political lens. I’m gathering information. Not rhetoric if that makes sense where as in the DT and cloakroom sources are often disregarded (bc mostly opinion based) bc of the source. in my group one lady believes the Candace Owen types on the far right are being paid by drug cartels to push the theory that Kirk was killed by Israel. And further that he accepted 1 million to change his views. Wild shit. We can discuss all this because while we are all different political beliefs in my large group we don’t go there. It’s about cases and trying to figure them out. Who what when where why how shit. Nothing else. So we don’t come to blows or are trying to make the motive be something it’s not. We only seek the truth wherever it goes. We share theories. Sure we want to be right. Who doesn’t? But it’s about the crime not our politics if that makes any fucking sense lol. 😂
  14. Dude you know what I mean? Sorry I had an excellent Delta 9 gummy so maybe it makes more sense to me. Fox and the WH are chummy so they probably would get a heads up over other networks bc of the chumminess. Does that not make sense? Ah fuck it.
  15. Lots of experts on different channels saying different things: I’ve perused the CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and Court TV route. In this one way I trust Fox to have the heads up bc they are getting the information straight from the sources. They seem to imply there will be some of the provable things mentioned tomorrow. But I don’t know if they meant that will be in court OR in the presser that the governor said he would hold after court. Who knows?
  16. So follow up on the old bald man that we saw be taken away moments after the shooting. This is according to the Daily FAIL so take it with a grain of salt although it appears from this article they seem to have “credible” sources: “George Zinn, a 71-year-old Utah resident, was initially suspected of being the shooter as he was taken into custody moments after Kirk, 31, was shot in the neck at an event at Utah Valley University last week. Police documents now claim Zinn - who has several prior arrests for trespassing - admitted to causing a distraction to keep law enforcement away from the shooter, now alleged to be 22-year-old Tyler Robinson. Zinn had repeatedly asked to see his attorney before making the confession. He was later taken to a hospital to deal with a pre-existing medical condition and made a further disturbing admission, saying he 'wanted to be a martyr for the person who was shot.' Zinn was released from the hospital and then taken to the Utah County Jail after being ordered by a judge Monday to be held without bail, according to Utah Political Watch. He faces second-degree felony obstruction of justice as police believe they had to take resources away from finding the real killer to attend to Zinn. After it became clear that Zinn was not the gunman who killed Kirk, he was identified by Utah residents as a well-known political activist with a number of small-time arrests to his name. He is known to frequently show up at protests and demonstrations in the state, and Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill told the Tribune that his office has prosecuted Zinn numerous times dating back to the 1980s. Many of his arrests were for trespassing, Gill said, as he described Zinn as a libertarian conservative who would 'give me a hard time for being a Dem' 'He’s a person who can be odd, and has those kinds of odd behavior challenges,' Gill said, adding that 'by and large, he’s more of a gadfly than anything else'. Gill said that his office had tried to get Zinn into mental health court for past misdemeanor charges, but he 'never really participated in that'. Zinn's most serious arrest came in 2013, when he was charged with threatening to plant bombs at the finish line of the Salt Lake City Marathon. I seriously thought This shit seriously cannot get any fucking weirder. The dude was even a spectator years ago during the Kobe Bryant case in Colorado. This shit will get much fucking weirder.
  17. Thank you! 😊 I also read that if the state intends to seek the death penalty (I do remember the governor saying that Kirk’s family will have some input) that they do not have to announce that tomorrow. That they have 60 days I think? To do so? The governor also indicated that they’d have a presser right after the assassin’s court appearance. So maybe they intend to explain that a bit? Bc I can see a scenario where if the DP isn’t automatically sought tomorrow in court that there will be an upheaval in conservative circles and media. So let’s say that Kirk’s widow hasn’t decided or if the State would want to give her some space to decide that. I’d imagine that they will want to have a presser to explain that before they get devoured by the conservatives. this is just a scenario playing out in my mind and the desire to get ahead of what has been a deeply deeply unsettling week for a lot of us, She may have already made a choice. I’m against DP now…my thoughts over the years have evolved this way…but I’m not going to judge her if she wants that punishment. I also know if she does not want the DP that the state said it will try to honor her wishes. So I hope if that’s the case that the Feds don’t step in to alter that wish. With all the unrest happening I just don’t want to see half of people losing their damned minds when the state appears to have 60 days to make a determination. so my question is that they don’t have to automatically put that down tomorrow? Right? They can also develop more charges if the investigation warrants correct? Or do have time to develop more?
  18. He’s been sick as shit. Fowler has. He sounded even worse this weekend.
  19. The best thing about this is there is zero like between Carroll and Harbaugh. Pete hates Jim. Hates his ass. No matter what the end of game “handshake” will be entertaining as fuck. Bc both Geno and Herbert show flashes but are inconsistent to me this will be about the ground game. And I have Oakland somehow beating them out bc Pete hates Jim so much.
  20. I really had him as a back up. But after Cleveland (and it’s Cleveland so the jokes are built in) made the mistake of ditching him for a giant money mess I thought he was done. But McVay took pity on his ass. Gave him a chance. Built him back up. That team in Tampa is his. Don’t know how good they are down the stretch but they are good enough to fuck up other teams’ fortunes.
  21. Yes. But serious growth by Baker. I was still waiting for him to throw a pick. That was a gutsy drive by him to take the lead. He took a beating. I respect that. Normally he makes a wild decision that gives the ball back to the other team. But last year he was responsible for some great game drives. Major growth.
  22. So at his appearance in court tomorrow we will see all the official charges? And some evidence? I know they were trying to ascertain whether anyone had any advance knowledge based on some online comments that alleged something would happen to Charlie at the event. Can lawyer Surlies say what to expect from the assassin’s court appearance tomorrow and what the state of Utah would present? I know the Governor said he intended to have a press conference following court.
  23. I was struggling to find my glasses earlier and I was like MAGA, Utah? Wtf? Thanks for the info.
  24. It’s just a weird weird development in a state that’s weird and kinda on edge a bit. So for me trying to figure out shit I put it to the side. Don’t see it as related but at the same time it’s relevant only because of being in close enough proximity to the shooting and bc of the timing. But when I look at perps I don’t go “well this must be a frame job (not saying it isn’t) as opposed to two individuals doing their own thing.” I don’t see a larger connection and I don’t understand why they would even do that in the first place. Blow up a local news van had the device functioned as intended? Why? Weird shit,
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