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  1. No, but they can only make the choice if they have the reason to make it, and you can show them things they don’t know today or angles they don’t think about. It’s the same thing about writing Trumpy relatives a letter. You can’t let them default to MAGA, which is what’s happened in Texas, for example.
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  3. That’s why they are continuous. Under Reagan it was euphemistic bigotry and hidden corruption. Under Bush it was polite fiction, tortured inferences and LONG stretches of truth combined with sweetheart deals and the occasional foray into fraud to go with massive incompetence and disastrous misjudgement. At no point was anyone paying attention unaware of the game. They were warned that they were pushing the world this way and they didn’t care. With Trump the mask is off, but a lot of people don’t pay close attention until they are confronted with the thing that rustles their jimmies, and the nature of media today makes that more difficult. But not it’s not a different problem, just bigger and out in the open. So anyway, there are people on this thread who are got on the right side of history after defending George Allen on Hornfans 20 years ago. I’m glad to have them. I’m also glad to have someone who gives up on Trump and MAGAISM tomorrow or the next day, and I think they are worth talking to.
  4. I’m not in a position to offer advice because they aren’t my in laws, but I’ve had similar experiences and so did my folks. One strategy is to write a letter to them and say everything you would like to say. Then sleep on it before you send it. Then reread it, and decide if that’s what you really want to say. Repeat the process until you have a letter you can send and then send the letter. They can decide what to do with the information. However you decide to manage the situation, they deserve to have it. And you owe it to yourself not to bottle it up.writing is better than a conversation usually because it removes some of the ambiguity that provides space for false accommodation.
  5. That’s not an excuse. It’s an observation. But their leaders are the ones I have contempt for. I pity the others and think that there but for the grace of God go I.
  6. I'm sure if I was an ex Republican raised in privilege I would feel that way, but I'm not. I was raised by people who got beat up by cops and thrown in jail over their beliefs, and I found myself in harm's way over politics for the first time at 10. So, the world looks different to me than most people on this board. That's OK. We all have different experiences. It was easy for YOU to avoid politics 40 years ago. It wasn't easy for me. Now it's easy for Becky Suburban to avoid them even when she pulls the lever for Trump. I'm not apologizing or anything like it. I'm saying this is part of the human condition. If it was not that way we could say that the Nazis were an expression of the defects in the German character and that it couldn't happen here. But it can and has. So we have to 1) Understand the difference between leaders, followers and complicit bystanders 2) Acknowlege that outside of the leaders they are just like us. 3) Engage them wherever we can. 4) Be prepared for kinetic violence if we can't. Think what you want of me but don't fool yourself - withdrawal is not a winning strategy.
  7. But it’s not an abstract proposition. That’s my point. It’s really not your fault. You were a product of your environment, upbringing, history, etc. I was raised in a different environment full of socially conscious lefties. That doesn’t make me better or worse. Over time my views changed as I became my own person and so did yours. But that process happens to everyone on a different timeline and for different reasons.
  8. You didn’t have the internet? Did you have newspapers or TV? Or an encyclopedia? Did you have values? I was younger than you. Seriously. Your entire defense here applies to today’s Trump voters. You lacked information, they appealed to your ideas, and you didn’t see the game.
  9. That’s a good question. I don’t think it’s a level but the capacity for cognitive dissonance. People in rural Texas have condemned their our communities to die. It’s not like they aren’t suffering too.
  10. No man, I’m saying that they mostly don’t think about it. Cognitive dissonance is a thing. And you weren’t thinking about it.
  11. Sure. It’s the genteel way to destroy the middle class, bankrupt the future, and bring back second class citizenship. But sure pal. I’m sure it was tough to see the game when they were kicking off the campaign with a states rights speech in Philadelphia Mississippi.
  12. What drives the disconnect? Go talk to somebody who was involved in either side of the Rwandan genocide about that. I wouldn’t call it grace and I’m not excusing anything. The disconnect is just part of the human condition. You can accept that or not, but I’m sure if you ask them if “kid gloves” was the cause of the civil war they’ll have a lot to say about that one too.
  13. Taking this one separately because. What is happening today is entirely continuous with eight years of Reagan and eight more of GW Bush. Trump has just taken the mask off. So if you are going to say “they chose evil on purpose,” are you including yourself and the people around you who set this table? Did you not also make that choice? The 2016 election happened. I said “this leads to fire and blood.” And it has, and there will be more, and I’m ready for that. But I also think you are redeemable. And so are the people around you. And so are some of the people in MAGA today. And for that reason I’m not going to write them all off or pretend that they understand their own politics anymore than today’s ex-Republicans did 20-30 years ago.
  14. I’m not making excuses, but it’s simply a fact that there is often a huge disconnect between their personal behaviors/values and their politics, and that gap has never been bigger. Most people simply don’t think about politics beyond tribal membership. In other words “They know not what they do.”
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