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Posts posted by Spankytoes
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1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:
You're trying very hard to claim victim status in order to escape from the unbelievable stupidity of your shitty arguments.
I’ve immigrated a wife, MIL and FIL here through legal means and I’m a tax payer. So yeah, I’m going to give an opinion.
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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
What you're doing is engaging in the normal discussion of different crimes, which is good.
Everyone who drives over the limit should be, at the very least, temporarily detained and sent home in an Uber with a citation.
Everyone who flees a nation of murder and extreme poverty, seeking a better life in America, should be kept with their family and treated with dignity and respect until they are granted asylum.
Everyone who rapes a baby to death should be imprisoned for life.
Everyone who throws a gum wrapper on the sidewalk should get, at the very least, a dirty look.
An old lady who accidentally turns the wrong way onto a one-way street should get a quick wave from an officer to make sure she turns around.
Playing the "what-if" game is what human beings do. It's the whole fucking point of a society.
Of course. That’s why abortion is still legal and pro-lifers have asterisks.Â
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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:
I disagree that it's a "sexier headline" issue.
We can have differing policy positions. We can and should debate them. And, we should be fucking grownups, figure out some sort of compromise, and get this shit done. Shoulda happened 20 years ago.
But the minute that one side starts using inhumane treatment of other human beings, including children, to gain leverage in the debate, the game changes. I don't care what your position is, if you pull out a gun and threaten my kid if I don't give in to your demands, your position just became COMPLETELY irrelevant. Now, the discussion is and should be about the fact that you just put a gun to my kid's head.
The GOP has overplayed its hand. In its blind zeal, it has gone a bridge too far. And there's no going back.
I 100% agree with you but it find it surprising that would be your viewpoint after the gun policy debate after the Florida shootings.
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1 minute ago, Grade of D as in David said:
Today I learned Spanky is a heartless piece of shit.Â
You forgot racist and privileged.Â
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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
Well, the answer is obvious: forcible separation of children from their parents, in order to gain political leverage.
The admin just told us so, straight up.
Duh.
I don’t disagree with your viewpoint. It’s completely shitty and obviously being used as a pawn in some weird game of chess Trump is playing. (Ok, maybe Tic-Tac-Toe) I just don’t think we’re focusing on the real issue, which is the economic drain caused by illegal immigration. Children being pulled from families and out into cages is a sexier headline. We’re approaching from 2 different sides.
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4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
Literally everyone who is not a sociopath holds laws in varying degrees of respect and wants them enforced variably. You do, too.
Should everyone who jaywalks be ticketed? What about someone who walks out of a bar drunk and gets into an uber?
Everyone is for the selective enforcement of laws and for the selective use of sentencing. The only difference is which laws, which sentences, and the ethical/moral standards behind those distinctions.
Should everyone over the legal limit be arrested when they drive a car? If they made it home OK, and lives/property were not damaged, does that make the fact that they drive drunk OK? If they are caught, and don’t have the means to pay for the consequences, should there be ramifications for their failure to pay?
We can play the “what-if” game all day to find loopholes in any example. If you Jaywalk, you run the risk of getting a ticket. That’s a little less severe than driving drunk, which is why the consequences for doing such aren’t on par.Â
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Just now, Dahobbs said:
We give charity to other countries, including providing disaster relief and humanitarian aid. These are absolutely things we, as one of the richest and most powerful countries in the world (if not #1), should do and should continue doing.Â
100% agree and said as much in the post you quoted
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4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:
Who is saying not to enforce the laws? We are just saying to enforce them in a morally responsible fashion. Again, the expense of housing these folks is there either way. Why you insist on the absolutely shittiest way to do it is beyond me.Â
I asked above what the appropriate way to enforce the law would be that doesn’t cost us more $ to pay for non-citizens breaking the law. I’ll ask again.
I agree, it’s completely shitty and I hate it. I also hate that gun owners aren’t more on board with seriously restricting ownership when kids are constantly dying in this country. But, what’s the answer?
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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:
Charity is and should be a big part of our democracy.Â
It’s not charity when people pay into it. (Welfare, Medicare, SS, etc.) It’s charity when we give you money and resources to help people in YOUR country. No one is advocating that this stops. It simply needs to be stemmed here when gained through illegal means.
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1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:
I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Explain. You seem desperate to find some kind of ideological cover for your morally and ethically untenable position.
I can type it, but I can’t make you understand it. Which of our laws are just suggestions? You seem to have a distinction because of the manner of which it is enforced. If you beat the shit out of the 42 year old dude ducking your 15 year old daughter, I would be 100% on your side. It’s still illegal though and you’ll still go to jail. Just because it feels right doesn’t negate that fact.
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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
And as a separate note, some of the most important and meaningful things I've done in my life have been acts of helping other people in crisis. It has cost me time, stress, and no small amount of money. And when I look back at my life over the best moments, those moments are up there with the birth of my kids and the 2006 Rose Bowl. That's how decent human beings should approach the world.
When you come to a fork in the road between "cruel" and "kind," there's a right fork to take. It's not always easy. It's not necessarily the most self-interested thing to do. It's not always cheap. But it's almost always RIGHT.
We used to believe that.
I still do. So do a lot of other Americans.
Completely admiral. Let’s not confuse “Democracy” with “Charity” though. Especially when it’s illegally enforced.
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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:
I'll let you know the first time one of them knocks on my door.
What would you do if they broke in though? I thought so...
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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
Some of us aren't huge pieces of shit.
If a 42 year old dude fucked your 15 year old daughter consensually after meeting over the internet  I’m sure you’d say “Eh, she’s close enough”.
You let me know which ones of these law enforcements I should get outraged over.Â
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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:
Remind me never to come running to you for help when my life is in danger.
How many homeless people are living with you right now? Ballpark? Do their needs get taken care of before your kid’s?
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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:
Ummmm.....you know that not all brown folks are mexican, right?
I do. You do realize that over 90% of the issues comes through Mexico though, right? If they want to split the check then that’s cool too.
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3 minutes ago, Foosters said:
Point the finger at the families fleeing death? Ok, go for it.
And that’s our problem how again?
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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:
Is there any problem with setting up humanitarian camps for families? That seems to be the most reasonable solution. Separating kids from mothers is 100% not the solution. Again, fuck anyone and everyone involved. I think this is a crime of fucking outrageous proportions. Anyone not disgusted is disgusting.Â
And if the argument is really that we due to some quirk in the law we can't house the families together (which I absolutely don't believe), then yes, letting people be free until the law is fixed is that only acceptable answer.Â
I’m all for it. Who does Mexico make the check out to for payment of operation? We’re covering the land and taxes already.
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What’s the argument? How do we better convey “Seriously, stop violating our Immigration Laws...and we’re through fucking around with it”? Catch and Release didn’t work. Catch, release in the US and prosecute later without a violator in attendance didn’t work. What consequences should people have as a deterrent to blatantly ignore the fact that we have a legal process that all are welcome to follow and their inability to do so is affecting our citizen’s future?
Of course it sucks on a humanitarian level. But, the warnings have been there, in plain sight. Trump campaigned on Immigration as a focal point letting everyone know that this is happening. At this stage there is no question that they will be enforced unabashedly as Trump doesn’t crawfish because people don’t agree with him. At what point does the finger get pointed at the people violating the policy rather than the policy enforcers themselves?ÂÂWhat’s the answer to solve the problem, and make no mistake, it IS a problem? Calling it a racial issue is such a jaded distortion of the truth. There is one country that dominates illegal immigration in this country as repeat violators due to their proximity. The law is for ALL offenders, not just our southern neighbors. Facts don’t recognize racism.Â...and Fuck Trump -
On 6/16/2018 at 11:43 PM, Zepol87 said:
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Also I'm pretty you were right about travelingtexan being gostarsgo. Sorry for doubting you sir
Depends. Has he solicited the board for advice on places to eat for under $1,000/head in Gstaad while attending a private U2 concert? And posted it while attending a Munich Bayern match after partying with the Dallas Stars in Monaco earlier in the day?
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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:
It’s not just about age  Whites lost their majority status in Texas and turned it into a minority-majority state quicker than expected. Â
And somehow a Muslim Kenyan Marxist Socialist was able to beat a war hero and then a wealthy businessman.Â
Trump is the last gasp for a lot of these people.Â
Except Trump received 115,204 votes less than Romney did in Texas for the popular vote. And Obama got 356,704 less votes in 2008Â for his first term than Hillary did in 2016.Â
Other than facts, it's a solid argument.Â
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11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:
If they are within our borders, they have constitutional rights even if they aren't seeking political asylum. If they show up at our border seeking political asylum, they have legal rights granted to them by law. Our constitution and our laws make them our problem.
Except for matters of Immigration, which don't extend as Rights, and they are bound by US Immigration Law. And only if they are arrested first.
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1 minute ago, Js1 said:
Many of these families are trying to legally claim asylum and being denied the ability to even enter at the Port of Entry  in order to legally do so.
They are willingly and blatantly circumventing established procedures because CBP/DHS are NOT LETTING THEM GO ABOUT THE LEGAL WAY DO IT.
"Procedure" is not law. Procedure can change at any time, especially with a 6 month window for adaption. Law has to go through the process bound in the Constitution. (Insert your favorite Schoolhouse Rocks video here) The law, as of September 2017, is being followed.
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Just now, atomheartbevo said:
The risk of death is not a deterrent for these people.  Last year, three hundred or so died near the border. And that’s mostly people looking to mow lawns or build houses, not the asylum seekers who are more desperate to escape their situation.Â
That was my bad. I meant to put "distraction". Had "D" on the brain.
Wait...
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I am so torn on this issue…
Obviously, the idea of kids being ripped from their parents is abhorrent. The kids should not have to bear any consequences for their parent’s actions, even if their heart was in the right place to make a better life for their family.
However, that’s an emotionally charged distraction for people knowingly, willingly and blatantly trying to circumvent the established immigration procedures set by Federal Law. We have a process that a lot of people are not willing to follow because it’s inconvenient and expensive. Yes, we are a nation of immigrants and America should be the light that leads this charge. However, the time for mass undocumented immigration here ended a long time ago. If a family does illegally enter this country, they will also have to illegally gain employment to support themselves while the vast majority of the time not paying taxes and benefiting from a pay-in system setup to aid citizens and legal residents. It absolutely astonishes me how many people love the Constitution but forget the implications of the 3rd Amendment because it’s not their OWN house.  I feel terrible if a husband murders his wife leaving young children behind. But we don’t campaign for the husband to be pardoned for his actions due to the welfare of the children.
Trump said that DACA was going to be repealed when he was campaigning. Homeland Security announced the intentions to repeal last July. Whether you agree with that decision or not, which is 100% legal to rescind, it shouldn’t be a surprise. There is a large contingent, myself included, that does not agree with what DACA stands for. Either you have a law that’s enforceable for all or you don’t. You are supposed to close loopholes in the law, not create them for flexibility…especially when it deals with foreign citizens.
But, I have a heart, and a family, too. That's what makes it complicated. It's easy to armchair QB when you're not affected directly.
DACA, immigration reform whatever
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Posted · Edited by Spankytoes
1. There’s no “allegedly” about it.Â
2. WTF does global context or experience have to do with bi-partisan passed U.S. Law? Are we fucking gassing people for illegally crossing the border or violating the Geneva Convention? Ive started repeatedly that the tactics are shitty. JFC...