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Anastasis

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  1. 1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

    People remember the crime bill, and there is video of Biden saying that he didn't want Blacks in his neighborhood or something like that. Some people aren't going to forgive the geezer over those. Family members were lost. I have a couple from then too. But the difference is most people see the evil that is in the office, and didn't forget which party has helped the Black Community most.

    So maybe not so crazy to point out that Biden gave ground to Trump with minorities?

  2. Just now, Thatguy said:

    In that regards, yes, but did you really expect to beat Obama numbers, or the wife og Clinton? Black people loved Clinton. At the end of the day, Black voters are turning this election for Biden. Detroit, Mil, Kenosha, and ATL are all churning big numbers because of the Black vote. In large part the combination of Educated Whites and Black People in Philly is doing it too.

    I wouldn't argue against any of that.  But when are talking about margins trending to 5 digits in some states, incremental losses election over election are substantive. I have no fucking idea why Trump gains ground with black males or hispanics over 2016, but it seems like a noteworthy trend to point out when we are talking about why Texas turned out like it did or why GA is razor thin. 

  3. 2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

    lol Did you just say Biden gave ground to Trump with minorities?

    Compared to Obama and Hillary, it appears so, particularly among black males. Trump appears to have increased his margins. The performance among hispanics has been widely discussed. In Texas particularly, the incremental gains in hispanic support have been a point of discussion. 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-men-drifted-democrats-toward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447

    Support for the Democratic presidential candidate reached a new low among Black men this year, according to the NBC News poll of early and Election Day voters.

    Eighty percent of Black men supported Joe Biden, down slightly from Hilary Clinton’s 82 percent in 2016 but significantly down from Barack Obama’s level of support among Black men in 2012 and 2008.

    In Obama’s first presidential campaign, 95 percent of Black male voters and 96 percent of Black women chose him. Four years later, support from Black women remained at 96 percent for Obama’s 2012 re-election, while the figure for Black men slid to 87 percent.

    In 2016, when the nominee was Hillary Clinton, Black men dropped further to 82 percent while Black women’s support for Clinton remained high at 94 percent. Biden came close to matching that this year, garnering the support of 91 percent of Black women.

    Support for the Democratic presidential candidate in general appears to be slipping among Black women as well, but to a much smaller degree. Biden still enjoyed the support of more than 9 out of every 10 Black female voters.

     

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  4. 1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

    Not tough to me.   He doesn’t turn out black voters in, PA, WI, MI or GA.   Not sure what Biden loss he picks up to make up for those places, although obviously GA is razor thin and not a Biden win at this point. 

    I am not so sure about that. Biden gave ground to Trump with minorities. Does Bern do worse, I don't honestly know.  Ask bt to argue that point. I am inclined to agree with you position. 

  5. 1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

    Yes, hoping we get that result home.  Market could really run up to a vaccine.  Then I actually expect the market to struggle as people begin to realize the vaccine coming out and the public getting vaccinated in the numbers needed are two completely different things. 

    I think that we see a big bump on the interim data/EUA, and a pull back when the reality of the logistics come into focus. Agree. 

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