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Posts posted by Thatguy
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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
If you dont like PFF, then use the NFL draft. Majors is on a roster also (Eagles). So you think the OL sucks. PFF thought they were good and 4 of the 5 are on NFL rosters. Should we believe you or PFF and the NFL?
We should believe results in games vs high level opponents. You know, like Georgia twice, and the teams we played in the Elite 8 and Semis. Cam Williams got drafted as a project because he is a mountain of a man. Good tackles don't go in the 6th round.
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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
CAm Williams was injured at the end of the season. The OSU game was on the staff. Should have played Goosby over an injured Cam. Your opinion of "good" is ridiculous. Michigan 2023 was great. Texas OL finished top 5 in pass pro. Saying that was a bad OL is ridiculous. We are seeing what a bad OL looks like this year. Pretending this OL is anywhere near last year's OL is laughable.
While I respect the hell out of you 90% of the time, this is where we have a disconnect(PFF numbers). Being "top 5 in pass blocking" is a terrible stat to lean on to support your assertion that the line was good. Why, because being one dimensional is literally THE example of NOT being good. We pile up positive statistics all year long and then when we get in the big games, and cannot run the ball, all the sudden those exemplary pass pro numbers go to shit when you constantly find yourself in long yardage situations.
For example, Texas was 6 for 18 on 3rd down in the SEC championship game vs Georgia. Here are 11 of those 3rd down yardages.
3rd and 9
3rd and 14
3rd and 27
3rd and 14
3rd and 26
3rd and 22
3rd and 15
3rd and 10
3rd and 17
3rd and 15
3rd and 10
It's a miracle we were 6 for 18 with yardages like that. What we did was pile up stats vs directional schools and bottom feeders and then underperform vs the teams who had equal footing. No one can say that Georgia, Arizona State, or Ohio State had great offensive lines but each time we faced them they were the better unit. In those 4 games we were in 3rd and 8 or more 28 times, went 18-61 on 3rd down because of it, and couldn't run the football. Not surprisingly, we gave up 20 sacks in those four games alone.
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1 hour ago, Hookem10 said:
the problem with everyone when talking about our oline is they compare it to the elite of the elite and were not there right now especially with new starters. most olines struggle when playing good defenses. well get better with experience and development im thinking. y'all should watch more college football besides texas and you'll see most college teams have shitty olines. or should I say normal college offensive lines. and yes I wish we were elite like you say.
We ran for 29 yards vs Georgia the first time. We ran for 31 vs Georgia the second time. We ran for 53 yards vs Arizona fuckn State. We ran for 58 yards vs Ohio State. There is struggling and then there is that. We also allowed a lot of sacks, and before you say Quinn, Arched got sacked a lot too. Quinn got sacked every 13.9 pass attempts and Arch got sacked every 13. Relatively the same. Think about this. We played 4 elite teams last year and got outrushed in all of them despite having the better D.
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8 hours ago, Codaxx said:
OL was not bad last year. This is just wrong. Little banged up late at Tackle, but you cannot compare last year's OL to this years. Pass blocking is just another level.
Sark has moved to a progression quick passing game and Manning is very good at that. We have seen a lot less of the immediate pressure the last 5 quarters, but they are no where near as good as the OL last year (Baker is really trending up, I dont think people are giving him credit). Its the reason people are coming out saying Arch now looks like what they expected.
I'm not sure what you think a good O-line is but we were not good. We couldn't run the football against high level opponents. We had way too many penalties. I think we lead the league in holding if I am not mistaken and we had way too many busts. Banks was good, but everywhere else was an issue, especially Cam Williams. We were talked up coming off 2023 largely because Big12 but it was pretty apparent early that the SEC was a different animal. Cam Williams got drafted strictly on measurables. A good Oline is Bama at their peak, or 2023 Michigan. I think we've been so mediocre on the line for so long that people are just okay with meh at this point.
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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:
Next thing we’re gonna see are posts about how great our OL is and how Golden wasn’t really that good
And that's the thing about y'all. You are incapable of seeing the middle ground. We didn't change a single thing about the O-line in the MsSt game and yet they seemed drastically better in the 4th quarter. Why? Because we got the ball out quickly. News Flash, our O-line has sucked every year under Sark. We've never had a great O-line. That's why we cannot run Inside Zone, like Sark wants to. Instead we have to tapdance sideways because our guys are incapable of moving people out of the way. Our line has gotten dominated by every good defensive front we've faced for years. This year ain't nothing new. Last year we got bullied by Arizona State, Ohio State, and twice by Georgia. The shitty big 12 teams hid some warts, but they were always there. That's how you go to PIG and get routed 21-40.
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2 hours ago, PTINS said:
Absolutely.
Chase Daniels has a lot of reasons to dislike Texas. His Top 10 Missouri team (2008?) got smoked when Texas jumped out to a 35-0 2nd qtr lead.
But, he's an NFL QB who knows his craft, and the differences between the college game and the NFL, and the skills and performances that translates between them.
He did a great job of showing the pre-snap alignment and disguised coverages, the WR routes, the options that would, and were, either covered or open, and Arch's reading them one by one, going through his progressions, until he found the open receiver. Or the opposite, recognizing he would have a one on one pre snap and just waiting to make the throw. You can't see some of that from watching TV.
Chase was pretty emphatic on a few of them, going through the progressions, and making the throws; "... this is why he will be the #1 draft choice..."
Arch recognized the blitz early, anticipated the gaps in coverage, and got the ball out quick, which made the OL look a lot better. He had a bunch of NFL throws Saturday.
The way he led Wingo like he did, the defender following him across the field had no chance to get there to make a tackle. If Wingo breaks stride, or jumps, or reaches back, it is just a routine behind the line pass, + or - 2-3 yards.
(Chase was very complimentary of Weisner's pass blocking.)
Reading 4 pages of this thread is agonizing. How the fuck did you get into Texas? Oh, you were concussed after you graduated? Ooops!
"... he missed some throws ..." Really?
So did Mahomes, and Dak, and Josh Allen. Everybody misses wide open throws.
Ironically, I came here way back when, (pre Shaggy?) to read and chat about Texas football.
I avoid this thread most of the time because of the unrealistic expectations that some of you place on a bunch of kids.
Arch's advisors wanted him to have 20+ pre-NFL starts for a reason. Like it or not, that comes with some growing pains.
Some of the YouTube videos do a great job of analyzing everything that happens before Arch throws the ball, the poor (terrible) play calling, the ole' blocks, the poor route running, the things that make the QB look bad.
Maybe a few of you should broaden your horizons, and consider some opinions other than your own, before you make some of your comments.You made a fool of yourself. How? You came here shitting on me about my opinion. Then you go on to praise Chase Daniel on his fantastic assessment of this last game. You don't even know that I made a video breakdown that mirrors what he is saying almost word for word, and I made that thread prior to his coming out. Here, you should take a look at it.
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10 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:
Do you have faith that Sark will continue with what’s been working?
As I stated before, I do not. The only time in Sark's career where he went off reservation and created and offense for a guy that stuck was Jake Locker. But he had just gotten there and it was only just for that year. He was a coach trying to prove himself then. This Sark? He is a guy who is the head coach at one of the top few jobs in CFB who just came off back to back CFPs, a feat no one has accomplished. I don't think you can tell this Sark shit. So my confidence is pretty low on him continuing.
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8 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:
I am worried about UGA, especially on the trenches. They dominated us on the lines when we were pretty good last year, even at home. I am scared to think what they will do our current OL and DBs. Hope I am wrong. Hope Archibald has a heisman worthy performance because that's probably what it will take to win in Athens.
In the SEC championship game drops and penalties did us in. Golden had the drop in the endzone. Helm and Wingo had costly drops along the sideline. But the person that hurt us the most was Bond. If I recall correctly he had two holding calls, then he got called for picking Helms man, plus the drop that turned into an INT. If the defense shows up and we can play even a remotely clean game offensively we should be able to come out on top. Coach needs to call the same type gameplan he did the last two weeks. Georgia isn't what they have been defensively. They can be had.
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5 hours ago, Codaxx said:
You are going full Ian Boyd. The move to more 11 personnel helped out the offense (been talked about since probably week 1 by many). The change on the OL helped in the Vandy game. Its not an either/or situation
Ian who?
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1 minute ago, elguapo said:
Do you have a point?
You guys are saying that the reason we were successful against Vandy is because we made changed to the O-line. Well there were no changes to the O-line in the MsSt game so why did Arch all the sudden have time to throw and the offense explode?
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I pointed out all these same things in my film thread but since some of you have a hard time believing another poster here is a former NFL QB, a QB who used to play for Sark, and some other dude, breaking down the same things. Fast forward to the 4:30 mark in the second video where he talks about 11 personnel. Mind you, all these videos were posted a day after my thread.
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3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:
I expect the Georgia DBs to hold on every play.
They utilize the Duke basketball philosophy of defense. Play as aggressive as you can and force them to let some of it go=win.
1 minute ago, Codaxx said:Lot more 11 personnel and I think MSU DL got a bit tired. Did you not do like a 10 clips of this?
Come on Codaxx I am trying to lead a horse to water here. Don't fuck it up.
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57 minutes ago, elguapo said:
Anyone who thought that Arch needed to be benched after watching the first half against Miss St when he was our entire offense while getting planted in the turf constantly by free rushers coming through the A & B gaps is a football moron.
So what happened between the first three quarters and the 4th quarter where we magically got better? There were no personnel changes.
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13 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:
Georgia is going to blitz like crazy against us. We’ll see how manning handles the next away game.
I would expect Georgia to also play aggressively on anything short and force us to make plays down the field.
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12 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:
This. I think we all said he needed to get better or else. We just thought some patience is warranted and the guy is still getting criticized after throwing for 700 yards and 7 tds the last two games.
Who is criticizing his play the last two games?
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4 hours ago, Thatguy said:
If Arch spent the rest of the season playing in the offense he was playing in the first 4 or 5 games, what round would he get drafted in? If Quinn came out in 2023 what round would he get drafted in?
@elguapo to further my point. Where does Hurts get drafted if he never plays for Riley? Or Baker Mayfield. Is Cam Ward a number one pick if he doesnt go to Miami and stays at Incarnate Word or Washington State? What offense you play in and how you look in that offense matters. Scouts and NFL teams get caught up in the hype just as much as fans do. Thats how Johnny Manziel gets picked in the 1st round.
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2 hours ago, gurt said:
The line did magically get better by not having Brooks or Stroh out there. That was the best pocket we’ve had all year by far.If you are paying attention plenty of guys are stull coming free, its just the ball is already gone. Go rewatch and just look at the line.
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3 minutes ago, elguapo said:
I don’t disagree with you about spreading the offense out, but comparing Quinn and Arch is honestly just silly. Arch is going to be a first round draft pick and Quinn was a 7th round pick. Quinn has some huge holes in his skillset that Arch doesn’t.
If Arch spent the rest of the season playing in the offense he was playing in the first 4 or 5 games, what round would he get drafted in? If Quinn came out in 2023 what round would he get drafted in?
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30 minutes ago, elguapo said:
Quinn had terrible pocket presence and self sacked all the time because of it, that’s what people who know what they’re watching had a problem with among other things like being ass at throwing the deep ball
Again, the same systemic issues Arch was having Quinn was having. The difference was Quinn was just good enough to not force Sark to make permanent changes. If you guys still don't see it, it's pretty shameful at this point. Anytime we opened the offense up and went 4 wide, Quinn looked like Arch looks now. But we always came back to the same grind it out, slow ass 12 personnel, ball control offense. The next QB that is under center when Sark is back to running his offense will be the same. And the next guy after that. The same way Sark's offense was in the NFL, or any other place not named Bama. One day you guys will figure it out.
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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:
Did I call him a nepo baby? You and bow are two of the biggest trolls here. Congrats
Does it matter what the exact verbiage was?
Slow developing play with his back to the line and gets sacked. Quinn is terrible. Slow developing play with his back to the line and gets sacked. Arch needs more time. We try to block a DE with a TE and Quinn gets sacked. Quinn needs to make a play. We try to block a DE with a TE and Arch gets sacked. Why would we do that to Arch. 3rd and 15 and we don't pick it up. Quinn can't carry a team. 3rd and 15 and Arch can't pick it up. Why are we putting Arch in these long yardage situations. Long routes with no outlet vs a blitz. Quinn sucks and can't play. Long routes with no outlet vs a blitz. No one is getting their heads around to help Arch.
BWO at least had the same expectations for Arch as he did for Quinn. You guys "opinion" is based solely on whether or not you like someone or not, and not the situation. The 180 on the same shit that was a problem last year is comedy gold. You don't even see it, and you don't even recognize that is what some of us were complaining about. Weirdos, I am telling you.
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31 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:
Reread some of your posts on Arch and others. Shameful
Reread your posts on Quinn. Shameful. At least BWO is consistent.
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1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said:
I’d say he can’t possibly be this stupid, but then again he will be. Quinn gets drafted 7th round and Dart goes 1st…
Bold strategy by Sark.
Stubborn is more like it. We've all seen this Sark movie before. There have been plenty of times since Sark has been here where he has opened up the offense and we've all seen what it could be only to watch him revert back to what he likes again. Offense can be easy, but Sark prefers whimsical over easy all day everyday.
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5 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:
I think Sark has realized he has no more room to experiment and try to force experience of his offense on this team. I was afraid he was going to revert back when WRs started dropping like flies Saturday but he didn’t. Barring a major injury issue I think this is the offense for the rest of the season. And then we start all over again next year.
I have zero faith in that my brother. Pretty sure Sark got pressured into making some changes by the people who write his checks. He put a guy in the booth, and then did what he had to do to show he can call his own plays. That said, as soon as ole buddy thinks the pressure is off he will likely revert back to HIS offense. Right now he isn't running his offense. He is running Lane Kiffin's offense. I don't usually talk about behind the scenes stuff, but if you were reading the tea leaves. Sark NFL interest comes out just as Arch is struggling and the BMDs are getting restless. A bit of a power struggle
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18 hours ago, Horn of Gabriel said:
@Thatguy maybe you can write a little on how we can continue this at Georgia. From what I remember, their corners played up and either jammed or gave very little space for that short passing game last year. That forced Quinn to hold the ball which is death with their D line. And QE was elite at finding the quick pass but he was seeing ghosts after getting lit up a few times. No short passing game, and no running game vs. UGA seems like it might be bad.
That's a good idea since its a bye week. Maybe I will write something up.
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Arch Manning: "maybe the concussion helped"
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I dont care how tall or big a lineman is or if the NFL decided to draft them. If you cannot run the ball for more than 50 yards vs elite teams the entire year, and cannot run inside zone at all, you are not elite or great. You cannot be completely unable to run entire running concepts and call yourself a good line. Again, we piled up positive stas vs shit teams and rode that to glory.
Lastly, our QB outplaying the opposing QB is how we had a chance in those games you mentioned.