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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:
Look he reads this shit. He is playing along! Hi Bobby. Couldn’t make the Exes Atlanta shindig even tho I’m in Atlanta. Kinda glad I stuck it out at a casa and a couple of puffs off a joint.
You are in Atlanta?
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1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:
You’re blaming everyone but the guy cashing the checks and calling ALL the shots.
I am saying the BMDs have been just as much a problem as they were a solution the last 20 years.
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6 minutes ago, gurt said:
you know we are closer to being 5-5 than we are to competing for a championship, right? What's your excuse as to why we barely beat Kentucky and Miss St? Are we not more talented than they are?
6 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:Does Texas have a shitty roster? If so, who’s in charge that should have made sure that didn’t happen? I agree with you that talent wins championships. This team should have been good enough to make the playoffs. They shouldn’t have struggled all year with mediocre teams like Miss St and KY and losing to FL. They shouldn’t be able to stay within 10-14 points of GA in Athens. Worse teams than ours seemed able to hang with Georgia. I am not arguing to fire Sark (not sure he is that great either) but things need to change if Connor Stroh is the guy you trot out at left guard in year 5 of your tenure. I would also argue that Sark has had a relatively good year when it comes to injuries. These players, for the most part, are who he and his staff wanted to play all year. It’s not like the O line sucks because the top 3 starters blew their knees out in the offseason or earlier in the season.
We are where we are because we believed we were or would be better at just a few positions and that turned out not to be the case. Everyone here knows what those positions are. When we improve at those positions we will return to playing high level football. It's not that hard. And yes, it's on the coach to make that happen but for us not to have any dropoff is silly. That's what I am saying.
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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:
Super! Just kidding.
we need a comprehensive process of interviewing multiple people. Not just swinging at the hottest thing out there whether it be a good fit or not bc a group of BMDs have predetermined who they want. That has to stop. Jmo.
Bingo. The BMDs being "supportive" is how we got in this mess.
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1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:
Or boosters can just stop writing checks and treat this as a hobby instead of a passion.
How has that worked for us the last 20 years?
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1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:
I hear lots and lots of excuses.
Then let's keep turning over coaches and see how that goes for us.
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15 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:
If you can only win with the most talented roster are you really a great coach? "Project 5 Star" is a weird narrative. To become a 5 star means you display attributes that show you are above the high school level and could compete in college day 1. Perhaps recruiting services are giving out 5 stars easier now, but the point still stands.
Sark has also displayed he doesn't evaluate talent very good. Beginning with starting Baxter over Brooks. Some of his evals seem FUMP-like in the instance of "are you just offering stars by their name or are you actually evaluating the player?"
Who are all these teams winning championships with shitty rosters? Where I am sitting it sure as shit looks like the teams winning are doing it with the most talented rosters. Unless you are Michigan and you cheat your way there.
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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:
I like how thatguy always turns it back to qb. Slick
It's part of it. In sports its your job to play better than the guy in the same position across from you. No matter what that position is.
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4 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:
I hope Coach Sarkisian can identify the responsible party and correct that. Lord knows he has all the resources necessary to get anyone and anything he wants.
And I agree that players can’t see us as on the level with Georgia and Ohio State. We’re 0-5 against those teams in just two seasons and haven’t been prepared to play a single one of those 5 games. Hope Sarkisian can find the responsible party and fix that. He should be beyond pissed off at the job they’re doing.
You can't just buy everything you want. If you could we would have it. Some kids wanna go to a winner. My daughter just signed her letter of intent to play college volleyball. Full ride, but a lesser program. Do you know how many of her friends passed on more money because they wanted to go to a bigger/better program? Some kids just wanna be part of a winner. Geography matters too. Ohio State is the ONLY tier 1 program above I-40 from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Sark is ultimately responsible but imo we have to be patient. We've made great strides in getting back to the mountain top, but we have to start looking in the mirror and seeing the 7 that we are, instead of the 10 we think we are.
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3 hours ago, Sheep Have Wool said:
If you are of the opinion that Indiana wouldn't beat us and isn't substantially better at fundamental football, I suspect you haven't watched them much this year. And how is Indiana treating those tier two teams? They won their WTF game. We've lost ours and gone into overtime twice and into a nail biter against rosters that are vastly inferior to ours.
I was completely unaware they handed out a ten win trophy. Why is this a down year? We're reloading after a run? How's that working out for Ohio State?
Who indeed?
Man, I like your film breakdowns, but...
Yes, they were supposed to be here. We recruited them. We've paid them a fuck load of money. We've intentionally recruited JAG OL because they're large humans or something. Our ability to identify talent is a B-, on a good day. If only we could identify the folks responsible for making these evaluations!
And your opinion is that players are being negatively recruited because we were historically bad at developing offensive talent? That's the reason we're not getting good players? Charlie Strong hasn't coached here since 2016, and Tom Herman beat Georgia.
To the extent that negative recruiting is causing problems for us getting truly elite players, I suspect that pointing at two highly ranked QBs and a bevy of receivers that haven't really developed might be more of a factor than shit that happened with different coaches while current players were in elementary or middle school.
And our best players are currently on the bench? This honestly wouldn't shock me. We just now figured out our best starting OL. Tragically, we're the only team in the NCAA that wasn't allowed to practice or even look at players until the first game of the season.
You'll have to remind me again who is responsible for evaluations, development, and the two deep.
Well, if my options are "play action that no one respects because we gave up on the run game in the first quarter" and "just fucking drop back", sign me up for option B. Arch - much like every other college player - is unsurprisingly doing much better when he's asked to do things he can do. Hear me out: what if we did that for the whole offense?
This season has revealed that this off season was an unmitigated disaster, and we weren't doing super great with evals before then. We hired Duane Akina. Our coach schemed up an offense for a team he doesn't have. I'm pretty sure that team hasn't existed since NIL introduced significantly more parity.
As far as I can see, Sark is of the opinion that other teams aren't allowed to have good players or watch our film, all of his college players are superheroes, and having a mid TE pick up a crashing end on the other side of the line while we're doing... something? is a plan for football success. After all, on paper, it's genius.
Are our players also shooting us in the dick? Totally. No one can blame Simmons getting offsides on (definitely bad) officiating. First half Ryan Wingo can fuck right off. But I also need a coach that is putting the players he is responsible for recruiting in positions to succeed. I don't need him squatting, looking at a play sheet for a team he doesn't have, instead of reminding them that yeah, that Kirby Smart dickhead might try something on this kickoff, so maybe keep your head on a swivel.
I hope Sark can sort his shit out, but let's not make excuses because winning is hard.
That's a lot of words. Even for me. Let me see what I can do.
Look dude Indiana didn't do anything special. They went and got a solid QB out of the transfer portal. Again. Three of their top 4 receivers are from the portal. Their two top RBs are also from the portal. Even then, last year they had a favorable schedule(like aggy) and got throttled by Ohio State 38-15 when they finally faced them. Then they lost their first game in the playoffs. That's a feel good story, FOR THEM. You can stay at Indiana for decades by repeating that process. Meanwhile here you guys wanna jettison Sark to the moon for being 7-3 against a schedule that included the number 1 and 5 teams, and two top 10 wins vs Oklahoma and Vandy. AFTER two straight playoff appearances.
You guys expect us to just reload like Ohio State and Georgia, but don't see that we don't get the talent they do. WE think our shit doesn't stink, but the top kids see us as a tier below them. And why wouldn't they? In their lifetime Texas hasn't been good. So we get project 5 stars, instead of the ready to go kids. Cam Williams was a project, and spent his time here busting protections with regularity. DJ Campbell still isn't polished. Wingo can't catch, isn't physical, and doesn't run crisp routes. But man can he run past defenders on lesser teams on screen passes. Let's not leave out our QB. Now thinking back to when I heard the Manning really wanted him to sit and learn, I realize they knew what we now know, which is the kid was behind developmentally.
Texas, Ohio State, and Georgia all replaced their QBs this season. We are the only ones struggling, and it's not just "the line". We have the worst QB of the three currently. We have the worst receiver corps of the three. We have the worst O-line of the three. We have the worst RBs of the three. We have the worst TEs of the three. I mean, we had 2 receivers go first round in the last few years. Ohio State has had 4. We got 2 4th round TEs. Ohio State had a 4th and 3rd. We got a 1st, 2nd, and 4th and 5th rnd back out the last few years. Ohio State has had 2 2nd rounders, so we got them there. But then we've gotten a 1st rounder, a 5th rounder, and two 6th round O-line drafted. In that same time frame Ohio State has had 3 1st round, a 3rd, 3th, 6th, and 7th.
When we won the National Championship, USC was the talk of the town. However, if you look back we were the better team across the board from top to bottom. When Bama was winning they were better top to bottom. Same with Georgia. Same with Ohio State last year. If we wanna get to winning titles we need to find a way to start getting better players.
Here are all your words back at you.
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13 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
You’re talking about simple changes to route concepts. I’m talking about actually tailoring your system to your personnel. We haven’t changed our overall system to any real degree. We still run stupid pass pro concepts that involve pulling lineman without moving the pocket behind it, we will try to run under center play action regularly, and we still refuse to utilize our QBs athleticism in any real way. We run Sarks system with more stops. What an innovator.
So we are running play action. What do you want straight dropbacks from here on out? Are you seeing what happens when Arch throws into the teeth of a defense? I'm not in love with Sark's playbook, but I understand what he is doing. Arch is not a smart or shifty runner. He is a solid passer when things break down, but that is not the same as moving the pocket. Arch is best in scramble drill, off script situations. I thought outside of bailing on the run a little too early, Sark called a decent game. I thought we struggled to execute. Between drops, missed throws, and penalties we kept shooting ourselves in the foot. I also truly think that the SEC doesn't want us winning for a bit because the flags come out big time when we are playing their crown jewel. Same thing happened last year.
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4 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:
This needs more attention, I feel like the 5 stars Texas gets are athletes that have to learn the position they play. Jt sanders, worthy, Mitchell, Ant Hill, and now wingo. Bama, Georgia and Ohio state have guys show up that play that specific position really well already and are also athletes. It’s still a coaching issue, Mack-Herman-Sark…it’s systemic. I don’t have an answer but at some point what Kirby said has to happen. Find mother fuckers who want to tear your heart out to win then pay those guys. If wingo is a 5 star then I’m Santa Claus.
Yep. The guys we've gotten that can play weren't supposed to be here. We aren't getting tier one athletes. We are getting projects. I think what has happened is we were so bad at development for so long on the offensive side of the ball that the negative recruiting is working. I mean what high level offensive talent have we put out? You can count it on one hand. Sark is going to have to get really creative to make up the difference. That's what we needed last year but he wouldn't budge on changing things up, and we could still win in spite of it. This year is not that. He has to not only get more creative offensively, but he has to pull some of the youth into the game. We stumbled on Brooks because of injuries. Who knows who the best receiver on the team is. Could be someone on the bench.
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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:
The only difference is that we are making shorter throws primaries and calling more gimme passes.
We are running the exact same dumb pass pro stuff, we still don’t move the pocket, we continue to put arch under center and have him turn his back to the field with play action.
No we aren't Hobbes @scottsins is correct. We've dumbed down the offense a lot. We threw away the RPO game, played way less 12, and run a lot more simplistic routes overall. Stops, comebacks, outs, and slants are way more frequent. You are right we aren't moving the pocket but moving the pocket brings levels concepts into play and Arch has struggled with those so maybe Sark doesn't trust it. Who can say what that man is thinking.
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13 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:
The dude you’re arguing with… thought Charlie Strong deserved more time…
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and you thought Sark wouldn't win more than seven games. Back to back playoffs, and this year being a down year, he will still likely get to 10 wins. Even after scheduling the National Champs out of conference.
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2 hours ago, Stunns38 said:
Now go look at IndianaIndiana has only beaten Oregon. They haven't beaten playoff quality teams. They are just beating tier two level teams, which is exactly what we've been doing. We largely beat the teams we are supposed to and lose to teams better than us. Florida is the only outlier. Texas isn't sneaking up on Georgia.
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1 minute ago, TXpride said:
There's not some massive gap between us and OSU/UGA in recruiting. We're consistently top 5 and had the #1 class last year. We also (allegedly) have the most expensive roster in the country. Point being, we have the resources to win at least some of these games. If you want to argue that our talent level isn't actually what the recruiting rankings say it is, then we have a problem with evaluation and development. Either way Sark is falling short.
We are not in the same area code as Ohio State in recruiting. Their hand me downs are our starters. Anyone with eyes can see that.
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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:
I mean all you’re doing is making excuses and saying shit like “all coaches have deficiencies”.
Sark is the one offering the product. We should get a better product. Seriously what are you even talking about at this point?I'm not sure how you don't see it. Texas just doesn't get top tier dudes with any regularity Hobbes. It's not a Sark thing, it's an US thing. I mean offensively. Ohio State, Georgia, Bama have DUDES every year. Our best receiver all time? Roy Williams? Think about OSU or Bamas best receivers. Sure we've had Ricky, Bijan, and Charles. I'm not sure why it happens but we just don't get the dudes these other teams have man. Sure Sark has his flaws but something else is going on as to why we cannot and have not been able to land top tier talent on both sides of ball. We can get rid of this coach and the next coach will face the same issue.
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4 minutes ago, Tex Long said:
Blaming lack of execution by players is weak. Designing, practicing, and calling plays that players can't execute is the problem. If the line can't handle that set of plays, then DON'T FUCKING CALL THOSE PLAYS.
It is coaching failure to practice those plays and not be able to see that your guys can't do it.
We called what we can execute and we still didn't execute. Geezus Tex you gotta call SOMETHING lol.
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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
No. I would like to see our team not be heavily penalized every game for 5 straight years, not lose time of possession every game for 5 straight years, be able to make any adjustments, show up prepared.
And again, it’s Sarks fucking job to build the team. He decided Wingo and Baxter and this oline was good enough. He doesn’t get a pass because he sucks at coaching and at talent evaluation. That’s all his faultI'm not giving him a pass but someone with your intellect shouldn't be pissed after you saw the product offered. You should've seen this coming and made peace with it a long time ago.
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4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:
and this is the problem, its not the losses per se(though Georgia was a team wide failure) its how we've looked in the wins. OU was our one good solid game.
maybe these guys put the wood to Arkansas and take out aggy to change the narrative but Sark's Bama shine has basically worn off with the struggles of Manning and this Georgia ass kicking. recruiting(portal and high school) is just going to get more difficult for a guy who does not seem locked in, IMO.
I want Flood fired and Akina to retire because someone has to pay for these abortions but more than that and it is just deck chairs.
banks continuing to play Roberson is mind numbingly stupid but we've got bigger problems than Roberson's penalties.
Once we fielded the offense we have we were always going to end up here. We can't sustain drives, and so our defense is exposed for way longer than a D should be. Defense is like a puzzle, and the more cracks you get at it the better chance you get at solving it. They had the ball for 35 minutes. We had 15 first downs and 2 of 12 on 3rd. As long as we keep trotting out this offense this kind of thing is going to happen. We just aren't very good.
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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
And whose fault is that? What the fuck point are you making?
Players make plays Hobbes. Mack looked like the best coach in the country in 2005. Kirby's guys executed and ours didn't. We dropped the ball when it was thrown well and missed receivers when we needed to hit them. Of course at the end of the day it's the coach's fault, and that rings true for every team. Even the team who is top 5 every single year but keeps losing to lesser teams while beating the good ones.
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2 minutes ago, gurt said:
So you see no coaching deficiencies, huh? Just a talent difference? Are you that stupid or just being obtuse?Here is what I see. I see a fanbase that doesn't understand the limitations of it's team. You want our linemen to run the misdirection that you saw Georgia running? Have you seen our linemen try to block in space? You want us to be as multiple as you saw Georgia was with their QB forgetting that we had to simplify the offense in order to just be competent. You want Wingo to be Jeremiah Smith but Wingo IS Wingo and does Wingo shit during the game. Baxter is Baxter not Jadan Baugh, he won't be making jump cuts in the hole and running through arm tackles. We just aren't very good offensively and our defense can't carry water forever.
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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
The dumbest of posts.
Why don’t you compare and contrast the deficiencies of each coach and give us a list? What point do you think you’re even making? It’s ok that our coach sucks because coaches aren’t perfect? CoolWe've lost 3 ball games. Two of them to teams better than us. We lost three ball games last year. All 3 to the only two teams who recruited better than us. We just aren't finding a way to beat teams that are more talented than we are. It's as simple as that. Arch is a 5 star. Well, so is Georgia's QB. Georgia is executing better than we are because they are better than we are. You guys pissed about us losing to Georgia after watching us this first part of the season blow my mind.
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This is who Steve Sarkisian is.
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The reason we've lost since 2023 has been Sark missing on evaluations. Period. In 2023 we had no pass rush. Sure we could shut down anyone's running game but if you just didn't waste downs trying to run on us you could throw it all over the lot. The two games we lost, OU and Washington, we got one sack. One. Penix and Gabriel dropped back a combined 76 times. One Sack. We came back and fixed the pass rush by adding Simmons.
The other issue is we missed wildly on O-line and RB. Our interior O-line has been a problem since Sark got here. I don't give a shit if we sent linemen to the league, the truth is in the film. We cannot combo block and climb to the second level. Someone is always getting defeated. Always. Whenever we tried to run inside zone it just ended up resulting in a pile in the middle for the back to run into. Sark found a little something with outside zone and split zone, but as soon as we played a disciplined front with some wiggle they blew that shit up. See Ohio State, Georgia, and Arizona State. Our running backs are a miss too. Watching Baugh from Florida set up his own lanes was frustrating. He would set an aim point, and then redirect when the LBs committed. We get none of that from everyone not named Wisner, and he is lacking in the speed/power dept. Then on the off chance we do get a run bounced outside, we get holding calls.
That leaves our QBs to play hero ball in big games and is precisely why we keep losing to the top 5. YOU CANNOT be one dimensional in those games and win them, and that's what we've been the last couple years. It was the same way with Quinn last year. He outplayed the opposing QB in all 3 games and still lost. The area we keep losing in is running game. If you look at the 6 losses we had the last two years, plus the ASU game we should've lost. We got outrushed 908 to 412.