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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:
We don't get our group cheers from milk men and hump on command like real men.Â
Milk men? That's not milk my friend!
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1 hour ago, elguapo said:
Our OL last year wasn't perfect, but they were good enough to win a championship if Sark get's his head out of his ass near the GL. I also think our running scheme is way too vanilla against teams like Georgia who are geared up to blow up our OZ. In the first Georgia game last season Quinn was a big part of the problem in the first half and he got benched because of it - he self sacked multiple times.
Agree that we need to upgrade the interior OL significantly. OL this year was a big downgrade from last season especially when we were trotting out Stroh as a starter.
Go back to that 1st Georgia game. Quinn was clearly struggling in the pocket. I agree with you 100%. Then what did we do? We pulled him for Arch, who also came in and got sacked twice in only two series and fumbled the football. Again, we can say Quinn needed to handle the rush better and that would be true. However, you cannot consistently keep coming into these games vs the big dawgs with YOUR quarterback and YOUR running back constantly being the ones having to play in the shittier circumstances.Â
I disagree that our OL was good enough to win a title. If you go back and watch us play whomever was lined up across from Hayden Conner consistently pushed him in the backfield causing our backs to have to re-route. Same thing was happening to Jake but not at the same frequency. We were consistently getting beat to spots and could not climb to the second level with blockers. We could do two things. We could pull and we could run OZ because Wisner is the kind of back that runs patiently enough to hit those lanes. Just to show you I am not lying I pulled 4 quick plays all from the SEC championship game of Hayden Conner. Watch them. Now think about these are just 4 examples from quickly skimming through one single game.Â
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As soon as we dropped back to pass vs a quality fronts DJ and Cam became a problem. They struggled handing people off while holding their depth, got a ton of penalties, and were the source of almost every bust in protection we had. You can be mediocre in pass pro and you can be mediocre in run blocking, but you cannot be mediocre at both. We were the second most penalized team in football last year, and most of that was the O-line. Same game as above. The DE stunts inside and just as I said Cam and DJ can't figure out the passing off process and Cam let's a free runner go right past him to his quarterback.Â
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You are 100% correct that we were and are too vanilla. That said, why are we not utilizing our talent better? 21 has proven he can be elusive in space. Where is his package? None of those receivers you have on the bench could help us with a jet sweep or two to occupy the send level? As you know, if you struggle to win the battle of strength, you need to make defenders pause long enough to give your line an advantage.
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But to my original point that I will keep beating until I am blue in the face. Michigan has a recruiting philosophy. They set their identity. Running the football. Then they go recruit dudes who are run blockers, and teach them how to pass block. Last year half the line could run block and the other half could pass block. We had no true identity, and thus struggled establishing an facet of the game.Â
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3 minutes ago, elguapo said:
Do you think Arch being a running threat hurts or helps our running game vs Quinn who was not a running threat at all?Â
Do you think Quinn was accurate throwing the deep ball? If a defense isn't scared of being beat with the deep ball, how does that impact how they gameplan against an offense?
Look dude, what I think doesn't matter. The fact is that almost all teams played the pass first and you can tell that through film and alignment. Obviously Arch is superior at throwing the deep ball, but Quinn was superior at throwing everything else. You don't have to throw the deep ball well for teams to be scared of your passing game. If you are good hitting the crossing routes and such on the move teams will still keep their safeties deep for fear a well thrown crosser will get housed. You have to have layers to your defense. Georgia got a little to aggressive in the SEC championship and walked a safety down. Quinn pulled the RPO and threw a perfect ball that Dmo didn't have to break stride for and Dmo housed it.Â
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Currently, everytime Arch plays good man teams he struggles because throwing with good timing and anticipation is his shortcoming. For examples, the ball that got batted away from Parker vs aggy was an out route that was thrown so late that Parker had to stop on the sideline to prevent from going OB. That allowed for the DB to recover and break it up. Throw it on the break that doesn't happen. Same with the interception vs Ohio State. Wingo runs an out route and instead of the ball being there on the break, Arch throws it when he is open. That allows the DB to undercut the route and pick it off. And that's okay because Arch Manning is still growing and isn't a finished product. He will get better at trusting what he is seeing and not waiting to see it, and when that happens he will be the best QB in the country.
Look, both guys have their pluses and minuses, but that's not why they are losing games. They are losing games because everytime we get in a dog fight with a blue blood we lose the trench play contest. I don't care whether it is this year or last year they look exactly the same vs quality fronts. Shitty. Â
Ohio State last year- 21 to 14 down the stretch. Quarterback play is roughly a wash. Difference in the game is they popped a big run for a TD just before halftime and we couldn't run the ball. We couldn't get a hand on their QB hardly all game and then with the game on the line our RT completely whiffs on his pass pro. Game over.Â
This year vs Georgia they bottle up our run game without doing shit special and spy Arch, who runs 5 times for zero yards. Meanwhile Gunnar Stockton is back there behind his line doing whatever the fuck he wants. They run for 128 yards. Stockton is back there all day patting the football to the tune of 4 TD passes and 1 running. Stockton ain't better than Arch but his line is.Â
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The common theme is shitty line play in big games. So can we stop shitting on the QBs because they ain't the problem. Last year's Georgia team would've done the same thing they did to him this year. Until we improve our line play we will keep coming up short in these games. Even VY had a great O-line. The O-line was ultimately the reason Colt lost in 09 too. Texas has to start getting better linemen. We haven't had a truly good line since 2006. It's embarrassing at this point. Throw the whole safe at a line.Â
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6 minutes ago, elguapo said:
Arch the way he's playing now would have 100% changed the way those defenses game planned against us. One reason we struggled running the ball in those games is because none of those defenses were worried about Quinn beating them with the deep ball or his legs which enabled them to devote extra resources to stopping the run.
You are just saying shit that is flat wrong at this point. Most defenses were terrified of our passing attack last year and played us with light boxes not loaded ones. You can literally see on film us in 12 personnel with opposing defenses with 2 to 3 safeties 12 yards off the ball. Only a few teams were brave enough to walk an extra man down. Georgia was one of them, and even they sprinkled it in. ASU got aggressive and they paid for it.Â
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2 minutes ago, elguapo said:
Holy shit, no one is arguing that the OL isn't that big of a problem. Thatguy keeps trying to use last year's OL deficiencies to prop up our last QB in the Arch thread for some reason.
No. I am saying no one was winning those games until we got better trench play. We've been inferior in the trenches this whole time. People like Derka are saying that Arch would change that.Â
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2 minutes ago, elguapo said:
Yes, you have established over and over again that our OL last season wasn't perfect (nobody argued that it was). You can stop posting about it now.
Shut the fuck up talking to me. I responded to a question I was asked.Â
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13 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
Just for the record you are saying NFL drafted guys are the same as this year's group. ASk 99% that watched the last 2 seasons which OL they think is better and they will say 2024. You are the other 1%
Huh? I didn't say this year is better. I said last year wasn't great. I'm not afraid to give my opinion. A great O-line is one that holds up in against top flight competition in some aspect of the game. When we were playing against the Ohio State's and Georgia's of the world we couldn't run or pass pro. Let's all remember that Arch stepped in vs Georgia and got his head taken off too behind that line last year, despite him being markedly better than Ewers at evading the rush. Man for man we looked the part size wise. Our line of scrimmage play is exactly why we keep losing those games. We were inferior in the trenches vs Georgia and Ohio State, and that's what wins football games. When Michigan won they were superior in the trenches too. Only on this board do we not understand that and have people blaming the quarterback when it has shit to do with that.Â
We also lost to Washington because we didn't have a pass rush and couldn't get to Penix. The next week Michigan was all over his ass and he put up 13 points. We lost the LOS play in that one too.
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23 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
Texas was not extremely weak at Center and RG. Hell, the RG got drafted. He was one of the best pass blocking guards I have ever seen at Texas.Â
Texas was weak at the LG/C last year. Thats why we couldn't run inside. You are correct that the RG was great in pass pro, but that is only 50% of his job. Lacking in that other 50% is how a guy 6'6 and 315 gets drafted in the 6th round. Cam Williams was the opposite problem. Good at the run but constantly busting protections and maybe the most penalized person in college football. Which is why for all his measurables he also got drafted in the 6th round. Late rounds is the NFL saying you have some physical shortcomings or you are a project player. The only player good at both on our line last year was Banks. The LG and C couldn't make hay in the run game and the RG and RT weren't great at pass pro. So no matter what you called you always had a liability somewhere. Couple that with Sark thinking it was a good idea to have TEs blocking DEs in pass pro because 12 personnel, and all the slow developing plays. You know, like trying to fake a double screen and throw downfield in the SEC championship vs Georgia. Anyone remember that one?Â
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On 11/29/2025 at 4:35 PM, BurgleBro said:
We played closer to the LOS.  The cushion stuff was pretty noticeable only once or twice and aggies moronically ran a slow developing run so it didn't matter.Â
Teams figured out how to exploit us in our base Cover 3/1 look. Week after week they were attacking specific people. Taafe was one of those. Taafe is best when he can roam and help. He is not a coverage guy, and teams were finding a way to exploit that. So we ran a lot of two high against aggy and even some quarters. Taafe was back to being free and you see the result. 2/man lets you walk up and be aggressive. What's cool to see is a young guy like 6 thinking outside the box. On his pick he had no responsibility so he jumped the route next to him. That's stuff Georgia does. Good shit!
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24 minutes ago, Derka said:
“can you guys stop doing this?”
one guy came in here and posted “quinn ewers last year was better than arch is today” and then proceeded to clutter these pages full of lies about last year’s team’s talent level plus a bunch of tangential, straw man bullshit to further derail this thread. don’t say “you guys” or “y’all” when there is one specific person who insists on repeatedly bringing quinn ewers into this thread and then invariably following that up with 50 more totally asinine posts all designed to prop up quinn while denigrating everyone else who’s played at Texas in the last 3-4 years.
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Maybe you've figured it out by now, but I get frustrated with you because periodically you spout wild theories based on zero football logic.Â
Every linemen we had last year could've won every award there is to win. It wouldn't change the fact that we couldn't run the football versus quality fronts. When Sark was at Bama he ran Inside Zone? Why? Because you can run more stuff off of it like play action and RPOs. When he got here we tried to run it and the only reason it worked is because Bijan can get his own yards. However, it became pretty clear, especially once we got to the SEC, that we couldn't block worth a shit in the interior. So we changed to being Outside Zone based. Why? Because Outside Zone is the Tai Chi of running philosophies. You don't have to be strong to be good at it. You are just using the defender's momentum against him.Â
However, when you play a fast disciplined front, they beat your linemen to all their spots, and that's why we cannot run on Georgia, Ohio State, or even ASU. Oklahoma and Aggy have talent on their fronts but no discipline. They jump around in gaps and end up leaving alleys for a guy like Wisner to take advantage of.Â
I asked you why we couldn't run to see what your answer would be. I am surprised you didn't blame the quarterback.Â
My irritation with your comment comes because we literally just saw a couple weeks ago what Arch would look like behind a line that couldn't run the football and had a bunch of penalties, and still you claim Arch would've won those games last year when he was literally just facing the same situation two weeks ago and we scored 10 points. Here are the 3rd down yardages Quinn saw in the SEC Championship game. Also 11 penalties for 94 yards. 5 drops too.Â
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3rd and 14
3rd and 27
3rd and 14
3rd and 5
3rd and 26
3rd and 5
3rd and 4
3rd and 22
3rd and 15
3rd and 10
3rd and 3
3rd and 17
3rd and 3
3rd and 15
3rd and 5
3rd and 10Â
Only 7 out of 18 times were we in a realistic down and distance. Arch wasn't winning with that. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.Â
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3 minutes ago, Derka said:
you’re totally right, this year’s o line is better than the one from last year led by kelvin banks and unanimously hailed as a top 3 o line in college football, great argument.
It's not about whether or not YOU or I think it was better. It's about it could not run the football vs good fronts all last year, and therefore wouldn't have offered Arch anything different to win those games vs Georgia twice or Ohio State. Arch still would've been in 3rd and long just like he was this year. Nothing would've changed. That line would've offered the same shit sandwich that this line did. You seeing what I am saying yet?
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3 minutes ago, Derka said:
we also went into last year with either our rb3 or rb4 having to be our rb1. we also have sark who loves to abandon the run early for a myriad of reasons. there were also game specific reasons for each of those performances, none of which have anything to do with the fact that the offensive talent from last year’s team was clearly, inarguably superior to that of this year’s team.
How would Arch change anything about why we couldn't run the football? They spied Arch this year and he ran 5 times for 0 yards.Â
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6 minutes ago, Derka said:
first off, someone immediately did answer the question. second, it’s a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the actual discussion vis a vis the talent that quinn ewers had around him vs the talent on this year’s team. quinn had superior talent across the board the last two years, and since you know you can’t argue against that plight you’re creating new arguments about tangential shit instead of *you* just being honest and moving on.
No one has answered the question Derka. The reason we couldn't run the football is because we were extremely weak at the same two positions we are weak at now. C/RG. So we couldn't get a push up the middle vs solid fronts. Because of that Sark switched our base run to Outside Zone. But you can't run sideways against fast fronts. I said that to say this. If we had the same struggles last year running the football vs the Georgia's of the world as we did this year how do you suppose Arch would do anything different than what happened this year with the same exact problem?Â
Explain to me how he would magically fix that and have us beating Georgia and Ohio State?Â
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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:
I gave you one already. Those teams are good. It happens.
How did such a mediocre offensive line manage to produce the best lineman in the nation and finish as one of the three best according to everyone? Dishonest
No that isn’t the measure of a good line unless you’re a simplistic moron with an agenda.
You are basing your evidence on opinion. I am basing my evidence on the CONSISTENT inability to run the football vs quality fronts. That's not dishonest. I would toss in the pass pro breaking down in those same games but you would just blame that on the QB. So we can keep it to running for now.Â
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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
It’s fucking moronic. We had the best olineman in the nation and were a finalist for the Moore award. You’re just pretending that we weren’t an elite offensive line and cherry picking 3 games.Â
Name all the olines better than ours last year. Now compare that oline to this one. You’re just dishonestÂBecause he constantly pretends that the offense last year and the prior year wasn’t extremely talentedÂ
You know how these things work, right? The year prior you are on the watchlist for awards due to expectations. We came from the Big12 to the SEC. Obviously a huge difference in line play, but we were already on the watchlist. The measure of a good line is being able to run the football, right? So why couldn't we run the football against those teams? Why aren't you answering such a simple question?Â
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Just now, hobbes2702 said:
It’s fucking moronic. We had the best olineman in the nation and were a finalist for the Moore award. You’re just pretending that we weren’t an elite offensive line and cherry picking 3 games.Â
Name all the olines better than ours last year. Now compare that oline to this one. You’re just dishonestÂI'm asking a simple question of why we couldn't run the football in the 4 most important games we played last year. Michigan rushed for 172 yards on Ohio State right before we played them. Still waiting on an answer.Â
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2 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:
How so?
Come on man. You know the line last year was better than this season. It was infinitely better in pass pro. I mean, pretty much the entire line is on an NFL roster. Plus they were extremely experienced.No one is willing to answer the question?Â
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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
Because those teams are also good. Stop trying to make this stupid fucking argument.
It's not a stupid argument. Teams ran on those teams last year. If what Derka says is true that we had one of the best lines in football, why couldn't we run on those teams? Other teams did.Â
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20 minutes ago, Derka said:
the talent from last year’s team >>> the talent from this year’s team. again, this is not debatable. i don’t know what we’re doing here. the OL featured the best lineman in football and was named one of the three best o lines in football; the wr group had a first round pick; the starting TE is now in the nfl. to argue that last year’s supporting cast was only negligibly better than this year’s is either dishonest or delusional, and could only be argued by a quinn ewers fanatic.
oh yeah, we also arguably had the best defense in football each of the last two years, meaning quinn seriously didn’t have to do very much to get us the win vs basically anyone. just move the chains a little bit and score 6-7 points per quarter and we’re undefeated. we haven’t had that luxury this year. if we start adding the names of defensive players that quinn had who arch doesn’t then the talent gap gets even more comically evident.Â
quinn did less with more; arch does more with less. coming into this thread to say that quinn was better than arch is was dumb.
Question for you Derka. If our O-line was so good last year why couldn't we run the football vs Georgia twice, Ohio State, or Arizona State?Â
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1 minute ago, PittsburghTiger said:
They run a fucking route for the tight end that is three yards short of the first down. He was going to get tackled.
14 came free straight up the seam but the QB didn't see him.Â
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5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:
bring it on everyone
i pray to eat huge crow with a series of miracle results today that make this take and this thread obsolete
but this is what i woke up thinking
we could make history and kill the bowls
I mean, no hate my boy but IT IS a shiity take. Bowl game practices alone are worth it. Get valuable reps for the youngins for next season.Â
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2 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:
Let it go, man. It’s a hill they’re willing to die on and anyone who disagrees is “stupid” or “blind” or both. The last three years have been the best consecutive three year period I’ve seen in almost two decades. What if Arch starts last year? I don’t know. You don’t know. They don’t know. Just let it die. 9-3, outside chance at the playoffs, and beat 0u, the pigs, and aggy after that shit of a start to this season. Just enjoy it and let this shit go, and maybe they will, too. Ignore is your friend.
I get it brother and I have enjoyed the games like most people. But its frustrating to watch us lose to Georgia because we couldn't run the football this year and have people saying that we would win those games last year if Arch was playing, when that's the exact same reason Arch lost this year, because we couldn't run the football. Him being in the game last year would result in the exact same issue. Anyone who cannot see that has lost their damn minds. We lost 3 games last year. In all 3 games our QB outplayed theirs. Also in all those games we couldn't run the football.Â
I will take your advice though. Thank you for stepping in.Â
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1 minute ago, Derka said:
we’re literally back to back defending national champions if quinn ewers was capable of doing this.
Derka, Arch still can't throw basic routes to keep the offense on schedule bro. That's the most important aspect to QBing. Sark has found what he can do well and is doing a solid job of featuring it.Â
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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:
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Don't call his take retarded just because you disagree. That's fucking lame. Especially when you lead it with "no disrespect" and then proceed to say something disrespectful.Â
He was 27/46 and threw 2 picks and put up -27 rushing yards. And Texas lost. What a legendary game from Quinn. 🙄
One of those picks went through the hands of his receiver. 358 vs Georgia's defense is no slouch.Â
I called his take retarded because we aren't acknowledging how we hand to change the entire offensive scheme in order for Arch to start looking competent as a passer. We went from primarily running a NFL offense with a higher percentage of 12 personnel to basically running a Veer and Shoot spread. We went from always running moving routes to stationary ones. We even changed the RPO to a hitch. We have never done that. The coach himself is telling you through play calling that this is what Arch can currently hit.Â
This isn't opinion this is fact. We never did that for Ewers. Anything he got was in the confines of Sark's clunky, 12 personnel, NFL offense. Yet he still performed. Yall need to give the dude his props for that. What would Arch look like if we never changed the entire offense? Would they still be calling him a bust? Arch will likely pass Quinn as a passer next year, but let's not act like Ewers wasn't a good player. Geez
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Holy shit you dipshits: 9-3 Texas is probably in the playoffs
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Especially when you have an agenda.Â