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When someone insults my intelligence, instead of responding with paragraphs of feelings like Derka, I get more focused. Now that I am back in the lab in Texas let's deal with this issue. I told @Codaxx that Kentucky was intentionally attacking Arch from the interior while not rushing the ends past quarterback depth to prevent him from slipping out the sides and throwing on the run. They seemed to be focused on making sure he didn't escape to his right. Now the way you can tell this is simply by watching the effort level of the DE to Arch's right. Let's also take a look at some of the plays Arch missed on and what his pocket looked like. These clips are in game order. I made reference to this play right after the game and The Film Guy did too(since yall seem to like him). This is an example of how Arch holds the ball. We fake the stretch play and get Arch out on the edge with a levels concept. Arch needs to rip this ball to Wingo on the break and he has a short 3rd down. Instead he turns it down for the TE drag coming behind it. Pay no mind to the plays after that I forgot to cut them out. Sequence 01_1.mp4 It's early in the 1st quarter. Arch feels a little pressure and escapes to his right when the DE loses contain by trying to go inside. Pay attention to this for later. Also, in the OU game Arch turns and hits Wisner for a small gain. In this game he turns those down again. Sequence 01_3.mp4 RPO game is back! Kentucky fires their nickel and the RPO does a good job of freezing him giving Arch time to let this 9 route fly. Arch underthrows this a little, but this is a good example of why people dislike Wingo. Big time receivers go up and high point this football. Wingo looks like a euro futbol player trying to draw a call. Might as well fall down and hold his ankle. I wish coach would get some of the young receivers some reps because Wingo ain't it. Sequence 01_4.mp4 3rd and 6 later in the first qtr. Kentucky is playing Man 2 and Sark wisely has a mesh concept call on. Up front Kentucky tries to stunt the a gaps but we pick it up and Arch has a clean pocket to throw from. But what I want you to notice is look at the D ends and what they are trying to do. The D end to Arch's right rushes to Arch's depth level and just stops. The one on the left is trying to get his Colin Simmons on. This is what it looks like when the scouting report is "Dangerous outside the pocket to his right, but struggles throwing on the move to his left". Anyway, as you all know the Mesh concept worked but we missed the throw. Sequence 01_5.mp4 1st and 10 and Arch has a nice clean pocket. He throws this ball at the TE's shoes when he has 3 breaking free on the in cut right behind him. Pay attention to the pass rush/ What do you see? Not aggressively trying to get upfield. Rush to the QB's shoulder then stop. Sequence 01_6.mp4 1st and 10. Again, in the OU game Arch was dumping this off the Clark who has 10 yards of space. Watch the DE to Arch's right. Clearly spying the QB. Even the DT that shoots the gap stops when he gets to Arch's shoulder. They are clearly trying to make sure they don't let this dude out to his right. Sequence 01_7.mp4 This is good example of Arch holding the ball. The TE is open and looking quickly. Hit him so he can get his head around and possible break a tackle. Instead Arch runs 5 more yards before he throws this ball. Sequence 01_8.mp4 3rd and 16 here. Kentucky rushes 3 with a spy. Again, pay attention to the DEs here. The DE to Arch's left is free to get upfield like he would any other Saturday. However, the other DE rushes to Arch's shoulder again and stops. They aren't trying to attack Brooks or the center. They just wanna keep this guy from getting out of the pocket and especially to his right. Sequence 01_9.mp4 Here is another one for you. 1st and 10 and Sark is in his bag. He has figured out that Kentucky is spying Arch on the right side so he pulls a play out of the archives to put them in conflict. He sends a go route straight up the seam to occupy both safeties. He sends Wisner out in flat, and sends the TE up the right side. Now you have to make a decision. Are you going to continue to spy and leave a man wide open or are you going to turn and run? They choose to spy and we just miss the TE. Sequence 01_10.mp4 Another example of how Kentucky was bound and determined to not let Arch out to his right. 3rd and 6 and Kentucky is showing 6 coming at the line to draw their protection calls. At the snap two drop out and they isolate two on Baker by stunting the 3tech DT into the boundary a gap which occupies DJ. The DE to Arch's right fires aggressively upfield, but then the safety replaces him as the contain man leaving Arch nowhere to slip out to. But according to a certain poster here this isn't what Kentucky was doing when it clearly was. Sequence 01_12.mp4 Center gets beat here but at least as he was falling down he took out the stunting DE trying to loop around to the inside. Arch steps up in the pocket and throws behind Livingstone. Kentucky rushes 4 while playing zone behind it to keep eyes on the quarterback. Sequence 01_13.mp4 3rd and 10 and Kentucky brings 6. They bring 4 on the right side because they don't want any lanes for him to escape to that side. That said the tight end is open immediately on a 5 yard drag. As soon as you see the blitz you gotta dump that off and hope your guy can make a play and pick up the 1st. Sequence 01_14.mp4 Kentucky showed 5 possibly 6 coming. I am sure Texas called their protection to account for the end that dropped out. Then the DT fired into the B gap to occupy Brooks(who didn't see the end drop out and though that was his guy) and they brought a rusher through the a gap. Well schemed. Did we notice that the backside rusher gets to shoulder depth and looks around his blocker's shoulder? Yep. Regardless, we still got the ball off before getting hit but missed it high. If we hit on this this play has a chance to get housed if we can make that safety miss in the open field. Sequence 01_15.mp4 Kentucky brings 4 and we pick it up nicely but we miss Wingo pretty bad here. Sequence 01_16.mp4 And just for comparison sake this is earlier this year. This is what they look like rushing the passer on the backside when they are not trying to contain a running QB. But what do I know? This is likely going to be the blueprint from here forward unless ole buddy can prove he can play from the pocket. Sequence 01_2.mp4 And now you guys can have this thread. Sequence 01_9.mp4
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PFF doesn't count time holding the ball. Still have all the winning teams left on the schedule. Let's check back in a bit shall we?
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Lol. You are moving the goalposts. I said that the reason they were attacking the way they were is because its ideal for mobile quarterbacks and Arch hasn't proven he can beat it. Of course you block inside out. Who is saying you shouldn't? weirdo! Kentucky brought pressure and we didnt identify it and hurt them on the back end. So they continued doing it. You want it to stop get the ball out. Its as simple as that. You guys did this same shit last year. When we couldn't run the ball it wasn't systemic issues we've had for years it was Quinn's fault. When Wingo wouldn't be physical and compete for the ball I was told it wasn't that Wingo was soft. No no no. It was Quinn's fault and we would see a different Wingo this year when Arch was behind center. When I said last year Arch didnt see the field and was holding the ball too long I was told I didnt know what I was talking about and I would see this year how much better dude was. Now here we go again. Discounting everything I say again as if I dont know ball. All you assholes were wrong and now you are scrambling to blame anything and anyone for this dudes shortcomings. The only person standing on business is @BurntOrange&White. Now you are flat put calling me dumb about how teams try to rush mobile quarterbacks when if you Google it you will get a return of plenty of highly paid people telling you the same thing. Honestly, im pretty tired of arguing with yall. Maybe I will just sit back and let the season play out and watch you guys scramble around and make more excuses. Especially when we play another team that doesn't have a strong pass rush and dude is still doing the same thing. You guys are exhausting. Dude is barely serviceable bro.
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So its your assertion that Arch has seen this same level of pressure every game, Ohio State? San Jose State? UTEP? and Sam Houston?
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Man what are you talking about? Wherever you bring pressure from you are vulnerable behind it. Same for how you bring pressure Codaxx. Everyone would bring pressure up the a gaps. Why dont they? Because that leaves vulnerable to simple shallow crossing routes that most quarterbacks would eat you alive with. Slot receiver sees lb pressure and simply runs a 5 yard drag. You know, like the one we missed Wingo on. That said, opposing defensive coordinators think like this. We have to try to keep Manning in the pocket but WE CANNOT allow him to escape to his right. He is a far superior passer when rolling right than left. So you remain super sound on your right. Maintain sound right side B and C gap rushes and get exotic in the left B and A gaps. They are sometimes rushing 4 but what those 4 are doing and where they are coming from is what matters. If we had Ty Simpson as a quarterback you best believe they wouldn't be coming after him the way they are because he wouldn't be missing Wingo wide open on a shallow crosser. He would be breaking their backs and punishing them from bringing bodies from the middle of the field right where he can see them coming. So yes, Brooks and whomever is at C are not playing great. But if you think that them being attacked isnt compounded by who the quarterback is and how they respond to that pressure then you are fooling yourself.
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Feels like year 5.
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He hasn't been under pressure all year Hank and he still has been the same. Or are you forgetting that?
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Wingo is a generally low effort receiver. Year 3 and dude still has zero 50/50 ball catches. He loses every time. Arch thew him a perfectly winnable 50/50 ball that he made little effort on and luckily got bailed out cause the receiver didnt get his heard around. Go get the ball Wingo.
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That would be valid if we didnt have film of him throwing when hadtime also right? We do have that film too right?
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Dude. Attacking the interior gaps while not rushing past quarterback depth so they dont escape out the sides is and has been standard operating procedure for running quarterbacks all our lives. The LG and the C suck but their numbers are even worse because thats where our opponents are sending the extra bodies. Every opponent from here on out is going to try and keep Arch in the pocket. As they should. Its not rocket science.
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Attacking the interior gaps vs a highly mobile QB is pretty standard operating procedure. They would've done the same last year too.
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I personally think Wingo is pretty trash and wish we would stop targeting him as much. Said the same last year.
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Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
Does Golden get a 1st round grade if he stays in Houston yes or no? -
You are right. None of our current linemen will be playing in the NFL when they are done here right?
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Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
Golden has good track speed but not good football speed. You understand the difference right? Neither did Mitchell who ran a 4.35. Some guys have good track technique that shows on a stopwatch but get caught from behind with the pads on. I dont even know why I have to explain this to you its been a thing since inception. So it matters who is throwing it to you then right? I didnt say that I said he wasn't holding them back. -
Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
I say some dumb shit? Then you literally say dumb shit like it doesn't matter who is throwing to you? It absolutely matters. Not only does it matter who is throwing to you it matters where you play. Look at what schools all the 1st rounders come from. Now look at all the places the shouldve been 1st rounders come from. You know, the dudes with crazy skills but got overlooked. Golden doubled his receiving output coming here. He doesn't get 1st round if he stays in Houston. -
Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
The fuck? You absolutely can train and run a fast 40. What is wrong with you? Plenty of players go to facilities specifically meant to train you for combine times. My cousin owned one in Arizona. My cousin, Thomas Lewis from Akron Garfield high school, who played at Indiana and was drafted 1st round, 24th pick to the Giants because he ran a 4.29 at his pro day, will tell you players train all the time specifically to increase there 40 times. In fact players will stay at these facilities for a solid month to prepare. -
Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
Lol. Golden came to Texas and doubled his previous productivity. He is the perfect example. He doesn't come close to sniffing the 1st round if Quinn isnt throwing him balls. -
Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
Golden worked hard with a trainer to get his 40 time down but he isnt some remarkable receiver. He is a try hard. I commend him for that but thats what he is. Had he never come to Texas he doesn't go in the 1st round. Jeremiah Smith is a 1st rounder if he played for Kentucky. Big. Fast. Eye popping catches. In my lifetime we've had one receiver like that and he was a headcase. Texas has been underwhelming all my life offensively. Quinn helped get Golden a 1st round tag. He didnt hold him back. -
Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
We weren't as loaded on offense as you think Derka. Matter of fact we've never been loaded on offense. We've had an actual piece here or there but most of the guys drafted on offense from Texas have basically been on hype. You wanna see loaded look at Ohio State. Thats loaded. -
Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
Antonio Brown was a 6th round draft pick Brown. -
Nope. I think @BurntOrange&White is just irritated at the hypocrisy on this thread. Its well documented that he spent all last season calling Quinn a pussy and stood on business about it. So now when he says Arch is also lacking I can respect that because he was equally critical of Quinn. However, I am sure what he is irritated about is the same people who were blaming Quinn everytime the line missed a block or blaming him for the lack of a running game are now blaming those things for Arch's poor play. Its as obvious as day.
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Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet
Thatguy replied to Coach pop a bitch's topic in Football
Golden is expected to come in and have an immediate impact as a first rounder. Helm is present and thats the most you can say. No one is outperforming what they showed in college or even close to it. Thats what you see elsewhere. Receiver at some mid level school gets drafted and its obvious that he just wasnt getting the ball like that in school. Antonio Brown or Greg Jennings come to mind. If your receivers are getting drafted and then are largely meh at the next level then your QB is doing a good job of boosting their appeal. Not the other way around. -
You mean how we are basing Manning being good by his play vs the two worst football teams we played last year?
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