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  1. 4 hours ago, MrBig said:

    This is the pre-snap look


    I get the point Thatguy is trying to make when it comes to the WR creating leverage, but all of that shit is moot when the defender is so far off and the separation is already there.

    Quinn has to adjust the throw towards the space between AD and the pylon instead of lobbing it to the back where the side of the “N” is. Look at all that open space in front yet he decides to throw it into an area that is nearly horizontal to where the defender is. 

     

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    4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    It is really not....you still have to stim inside to keep the defender from turning too early even with off alignment. 

    BurntOrange is correct. No matter where the DB is you have to force him to move his feet so you can create separation. Otherwise he will get a great jump on the ball as soon as its thrown. AD runs a soft, rounded off route here and the DB immediately breaks on it. It wouldn't have matter if he threw the ball high or low the DB was never fooled and no matter where the ball was he was going to run through AD to get it anyway.

    We don't need to know what the call was. No matter what AD still ran a shit route. You never do what he does here under any circumstances as a receiver. Ever.

    Here is a fade run vs off man with inside leverage. Just like above the route stem is run to stress the DBs inside leverage and then a quick adjustment back to the outside. It doesn't matter what scenario you are always taught to manipulate the DB so you can create sep on the break. That is literally 101 receiver training. Also, @MrBig the post about going down with the ship was for Derka. I didn't mean to quote you on it. Ignore all that. Derka called his shot on QE early and ever since Quinn turned the corner he has refused to eat crow on it.

     

     

  2. 58 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


    They didn’t do shit on Blues fumble. He hit Helm and just lost the ball. It was a shitty call by the ref to award them the ball because there wasn’t some clear immediate recovery.

    Very true, I mentally blocked out that it was a Mark Sanchez.

  3. 23 hours ago, MrBig said:

    All of this shit boils down to the fact that Quinn is the field general, his job is to read the defense and adjust his throw based on coverage, and he still throws a fucking fade to the back of the end zone when it’s clear how far off the defender is playing.

    This has nothing to do with how many games Penix has played or losing to the “better team.” It boils down to a situation where we need to score a TD to go to the national championship, and Quinn can’t see the soft coverage and still decides to lob it to the side of the end zone. AD is only heading to the pylon if Quinn throws to the pylon, which he did not do. AD ran a stupid looking route because Quinn made a stupid throw. Quinn should be able to see this and go into autopylon mode after starting 20+ games. 
     

    16:10 Talk about last play

     

     

     

     

     

    21 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

    no no, you’re wrong. just read ThatGuy’s typically self righteous, condescending post at the top of the page. throwing a deep fade when the DB is 8-10 yards off the WR is “the right play”, and if AD Mitchell wasn’t so lazy then he’d have made the right play and not screwed over his perfect QB who has never made an errant throw or bad read in his life. 🙄 how anyone can watch that play and defend that throw is baffling. the DB couldn’t have asked for an easier throw to defend.

    What the hell are you talking about Derka? So you think Quinn is supposed to throw a route AD isn't running because he SEES something else they could've done that would've worked out better even though AD doesn't? How stupid a take is that? AD is the guy who has to recognize that and Quinn is the guy who has to throw it. Otherwise the ball gets airmailed out of bounds at the pylon with AD still running the original route. The fade was called. You can tell the fade was called because of the route AD is running. As a QB you throw the ball WHERE the receiver is, not where you think he should be. The ball is moving 3 times as fast as the receiver is moving. You throw it somewhere other than where he is going/expecting it and no one will be there to catch it. No one said it was the right play. I said that is WHERE you throw the ball if its a fade and your receiver is 6 inches taller than the DB. As I said above, if you are AD your route stem needs to attack the inside leverage which will give you more room to work. Then AD should've come back and got that ball at its highest point. He did none of that.

     

    This is what you do. You jumped on the "Quinn Is Trash" bandwagon early and so you are doubling down and like a good captain, going down with the ship.

     

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    Since you are new to football this is how you run an end zone fade, or a fade in general.

     

     

     

    Notice the guy talking keeps talking about attacking inside leverage and not allowing yourself to drift outside because the DB will close on you, which is exactly what AD did. You will find these exact talking points on every video explaining how to run a fade no matter if its goalline, vs man, or vs zone. So you can argue with coaches now about whether or not AD ran a solid route. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong.

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  4. 8 minutes ago, Bobby Layne said:

    Help me here. Which coach threw those low passes? 

    You put up over 300 and no turnovers its time to look elsewhere. Linemen are supposed to put a guy on his back as soon as he disengages to jump up and tip a ball. Its clear they watched film and saw opportunities to tip but so has everyone else all season. QE didn't just all the sudden change the way he throws. As someone said above, their guys outplayed our guys.

    1) Our D-line was once again stout against the run but horrible getting pressure. Their D-line gave up chunks of yardage but came up with 2 opportunistic strips to negate the rush yardage given up. In pass rush they consistently got pressure and didn't allow QE to hold onto the ball all day long.

    2) Their secondary made plays on balls in the air a few times during the game and we made none.

    3) Their receivers consistently won their 1 on 1 battles. Ours were inconsistent in that regard

     

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  5. 9 hours ago, Mez2 said:

    With NIL also, this dude is not just gonna be rich,  he's gonna be Knigga rich

    Close the got-damned thread!!!! Lulz

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  6. The pressure rate stat is bs because it accounts for pressures as an each and not per play. What your eyes see is the truth. We have sucked at edge play for seemingly ever, and it was a big big problem all season. We had a couple plays where we got close, and a LOT of plays where he was standing back there for seemingly ever. Literally the worst guy on the planet to give time to. It was the one thing we COULD NO do. They want time. Time gives them separation. Time clears up the passing picture and lets you throw outside the hashes where balls don't get intercepted. We played right into their hands and literally played defense exactly how they would want a team to if they could draw it up for us. We compounded the problem by not playing the ball well in the air. Guy after guy panicked. No one kept their cool and used any technique to time up ball arrival.

    Some of the throws were down right perfect, but we also had a chance to do something a couple times and did the opposite. You can't let a QB like that play 7 on 7.

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  7. 12 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

    Lmao. This will be fun for announcers...https://twitter.com/KniggaNoah/status/1742926507503448407?t=Y5ypSCGBTqhx-CL3al-19Q&s=19059f3d376d365ce239ce0dae3d6511b1.jpg

    Every announcer doing WVU games the next 4 years will be black.

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  8. 36 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

    mitchell “decided” to turn his body because if he didn’t do a full 180 + 2-3 more steps towards the boundary (aka the direct opposite direction from where he was running when the ball was released) then he wasn’t going to have a chance to stop the UW DB from easily picking off the bad pass.

    When you think you know something you create a whole argument on the basis of something you know but in reality is complete bullshit. For example, your description of the route AD ran. The route stem should be driven into the DB to get him to react, and then you break to the outside giving you the space you need to operate. That is receiver 101. Instead AD is drifting toward the sideline LEADING the DB to him. The DB had no guess work because AD's lazy route running told him where the throw was going to go.

    You see, you come on here and blame that on the QB when that is entirely on AD for picking the game winning/losing play not to put forth effort. He was playing like he didn't expect the ball to come to him. It's lazy, and its what he has been doing on and off all season so no surprise that it showed up here. Everyone has a job to do on this play. Quinn needs to throw the ball high and to the outside. AD is supposed to create separation with proper route running, and then go get the ball thrown where he has the advantage. The DB is supposed to protect against inside breaking routes by sitting with inside leverage and break on anything going outside. Guess which two did their jobs and who didn't? Now go find me any expert that says the way AD ran his route there from 13 yards out was correct. I will hang up and wait.

     

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  9. On 1/2/2024 at 2:33 PM, The_Great_Hornsby said:

    What a weird, stupid take. The ball was thrown way too wide and high and if he does jump up to high point it, he is out of bounds and him catching it means fuck all. He played it right. The throw was not ideal. I take bigger issue with the playcalling sequence for the 4 plays rather than just that final play. 

    You get to the spot and jump vertically. He got to the spot and went for the lean and pose. Look at his feet. He jumps vertically and he has plenty of room to come down in bounds. Anyone who doesn't think that has never had any decent athletic ability. AD is a player who plays hard exactly 3 or 4 plays a game and soft the rest. Lazy route running, allowing himself to physically get overwhelmed vs smaller DBs. Par for the fucking course for him and Worthy. There was nothing wrong with that throw. He simply lost the physical battle with a DB 6 inches shorter than him. Want to.

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  10. You guys are some clowns clinging on to the one player who played pretty well. Nevermind the fumbling of the football. Nevermind Worthy, once again, not being able to track a ball in the air. Look at J-Whitt for an example of how to attack a 50/50 ball. Nevermind all the got-damned penalties in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Nevermind anybody on that defense being able to make a play on the damn ball in the air. Nevermind no pass rush all damn game and one of the best QBs in the game getting 4 fucking seconds to scan the field. The call was a fucking fade. You drop back and put the ball where you are supposed to and your receiver is supposed to jump up, shield out the DB, and catch the damn ball. AD didn't jump for the ball at all. Instead he tried to be cute and high point the ball while keeping a toe on the ground for the look at how ready I am for the NFL pose. Go get the damn ball bro. He is 6'4. Play like it.

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  11. 12 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

    that throw was terrible, and his footwork was laughably bad. AD has a very large catch radius, a catch radius that quinn didn’t come close to. 

    See you kept your mouth shut until you felt like he played bad to come on here with your bullshit. The difference between Penix and QE is we gave Penix all day to throw. Washington actually brought pressure and got home. We didn't sack Penix all day. If you want to shit on QE do it about his sidearm delivery that got batted down. Outside of that the loss is on two RBs not holding onto the football and the defense not doing a damn thing correctly on passing downs. The last throw was high and outside away from the DB. Had AD gone up for it instead of keeping his feet on the ground we are all here chest bumping. AD and Worthy have struggled all year fighting for 50/50 balls. It figures that it would be the way we went down.

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  12. 22 minutes ago, Slacks said:

    He threw it high and slow for the defender to come over the top and swat it. 

    Throw out back and down so the defender has to interfere to get a hand on it, and your guy can get both hands on it cleanly. 

    Or you know, your receiver can elevate and catch the ball. Like he did on the last TD, and like Ewers probably expected him to.

  13. On 12/28/2023 at 2:42 PM, Samson's Wig said:

    I agree with this.  It's the ultimate flaw with our new economy driven by VC and tech bro assholes.  None of it is really innovative, and most of it isn't even really business.  It's just unprofitable "disruption" to kill off competition.  Once that is accomplished, reality has to set in at some point.  It's not really innovative, and not really any different than what has gone on forever when a new player wants to take market share.  Undercut the legacy guys at a major loss until you capture enough market share to start driving up your prices.  The end result for the consumer is that things are exactly the same as they were before, with the only change being who is getting your money.

    Toyota-Honda

  14. 6 hours ago, Celery Man said:

    I’m generally interested. Or, I want my daughter to learn about being on a team, I want her to be active, I want her to do real extracurriculars in HS, I don’t want to mortgage the home to do travel sports or burn her out before she graduates from high school. It’s on topic, thread is mostly little kid shit otherwise.

    The problem with sports nowadays is that once they get to the high school level if they want to keep playing they are likely to be forced into playing travel club sports. The other kids at the school are also playing that level so they will need that experience just to make the team. At my daughter's school freshman, JV, and Varsity kids all play club. If you don't play club you won't even make the team. Not all sports are like that but most of them are so you have a decision to make.

  15. 20 hours ago, SurlyGator said:

    VB dad talk not going away.  I am resisting the urge to participate, since I also qualify.

    I know a lot of the guys who are on here frown on this but considering the snail's pace this thread has moved over the years maybe we should be more open here. We have only 60 pages here despite most guys here being fathers. Some of the younger dads could learn a thing or two as well as the dads that went through it being a helpful ear. I am lucky to have had a guy who is a couple years older than me who just had his kid recruited and signed to help me along my journey. I would say speak up.

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  16. 6 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

    Well your coach could be like our coach and just make stats up for her favorite players.  It's ridiculous and wasn't worth the mental anguish.  We had 3 girls quit during the season this year, and had 2 last year.  

    I swear I am not trying to play the one up game but I have to say this. My daughter and this other kid played the same position. My kid is a big enough threat that if she is given the same opportunities she could possibly supplant this kid as a kid to watch for the MVP race. However, she did the aforementioned crap to make sure that wasn't the case. Some days the stats would go in 15 minutes after the game was over and sometimes they wouldn't get updated until the next day. Took me awhile, but I eventually realized that the days they got updated the next day were days that the other girl didn't have a good game and she didn't want the press writing about another kid leading the team to victory. My kid had 40 kills vs a pretty solid team while also hitting .400. She came home excited to see what the papers said and nothing. The papers get their info from MaxPreps/the coaches, and none of it had been updated. The game was at home so no excuses. The issue was the other girl hit under .100.

    Anyway, I appreciate the offer for beach. I wish my kid would play beach but she doesn't like it. It would help her game tremendously. She could use the finesse.

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  17. 1 hour ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

    I know we've discussed this before, but my daughter finally full quit indoor and switched to beach.  She played for her school this year, but the toxicity on the team just made it a horrible experience.  I don't know what's wrong with the indoor sport, but it's full of horrible coaches, and I hate to say it, but terrible girls.  There are a lot of great kids, but there are so many entitled, hateful little shits that it ruins the sport.  Beach couldn't be more different.  None of the coaches are in it for the money, as there's not a lot of money to be made (yet).  If there's a toxic girl, you can quickly distance yourself from her and her family.

     

    We went through a lot of the mental challenges your daughter is facing with ours (minus the racial stuff, and I'm not trying to downplay that) and I've posted about it on this thread previously.  One thing that I don't regret for any moment is getting her in therapy.  We actually lucked out, and ended up with a therapist who had played a D1 sport, and could relate to my daughter from that angle.  My daughter still struggles with various things, but that year of hard work in therapy dramatically improved her mental state.  We've seen that in her grades and social aspects.  While there are those shitty girls, saying sometimes horrible things, she's better equipped to process it with the right perspective.

     

    I believe our daughters are the same age, if your daughter ever wants to try out some beach, my daughter is always willing to play with someone.

    You are damn nails on about indoor volleyball being pretty ugly, especially at schools. I know I said it upstream but we were ranked like between 6 and 10 in the state at various points of the season. As such we molly-whop just about every team we play, losing zero district games. We have 4 Outside Hitters, 2 Middle Blockers, two Right Sides, and so on. We are good enough that we can beat anyone in our district save one team with backups. So coach pulls the starters when we play them, which is good to get your loyal backups some pt. However, since she had an agenda to get one of our OH's the MVP she let her play against those softer teams to pad her stats while everyone else had to sit. The end result was her getting a ton more swings than the next kid. My daughter and her were the two rotating at OH. They played the same minutes otherwise but this kid had 485 more swings than my daughter did, all to win her an award. Meanwhile, when you funnel a ball through a single player that much when she has an off game you are out, which is what happened.

    We are already seeing a therapist. We were seeing one over the summer but then the schedule got weird but we are back on track now, and we couldn't agree more. Hopefully as time goes on she gets to be more like your daughter and things smooth out.

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  18. 12 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

    Man, that's some bullshit. My wife grew up as a Korean adopted into a white family in Colorado Springs. I'm white, grew up in Spring, TX. 

    I'm sure we have it easy compared to other mixed race families, with our little one being light-haired and light-skinned. I know my wife dealt with plenty of racist shit growing up though. I got to experience some in-your-face racism when our cars and driveway got vandalized while living in Decatur for 18 months.

    I never gave a thought as to where I would feel comfortable raising a family until the last few years. I'm so sorry your daughter has been made to feel unwelcome where she lives and goes to school. The Houston suburbs seemed liked a great, albeit boring, place to grow up as a white boy. As an adult, I see my parents and the friends they surrounded themselves with, and know that my hometown is not where I would want my kid to grow up. I just hope Round Rock ends up being a good place for our little guy.

    You try to do the right thing as a parent. It's impossible to see the future. You can only make the best call and hope it works out. What an area was like for us and what its like now is hard to predict. These are different times with different issues. Though my daughter is seen as Black, she is actually Chinese, Black, and White. She would like to be accepted in all those communities and not just pushed into one because society says so. One of her grandpas looks like me. Her other grandpa looks almost exactly like Mr Miyagi(Pat Morita). We wish people would just accept her for who she is, and not cause her so much mental anguish because she is different.On the WC people thought she was an islander until they met her parents. Its been mainly Texas where the issues came into the picture. I know you probably won't have the same experiences, and that's a good thing. Growing up is hard enough on its own. Hope he has a wide road to navigate. 

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  19. 18 hours ago, mdmost said:

     

    My kids go to predominately Hispanic schools and the stories they tell me about how racist those kids are towards African Americans, be the targets students or teachers is just astounding. Saying the n-word in the presence of AA teachers and students. I'm not sure why or when that became acceptable. My two claim they speak up when people are acting that way but it's definitely rolling a boulder uphill. My oldest tells me one of her teachers just left the school because students kept being racist towards her and she got tired of dealing with it. I'm not sure why the school isn't doing more to at least instruct these kids as to why their "jokes" aren't funny and use these moments as teachable moments to young shitasses to give them life skills.  

    I told my two that we really need to work on resolutions this winter break and start enacting them this coming year. I'm going to try to force us all to volunteer at least once a month at a rotating selection of each of us. So one month, we can clean up White Rock Lake. The next month, go to the Stewpot in downtown Dallas and serve the homeless. We need them to be the change we all want in this world but my wife and I need to set the example better. There's so much bad stuff in this world so we need to try to find the light or bring the light to others. I also want them to gain more gratitude for what they have instead of always feeling like they don't have enough. 

    2016 is when it became acceptable again to be outwardly racist, misogynistic, and homophobic.

    It's an interesting conundrum that you find yourself in as a black person in Texas. You  work hard to get to a place in life where you can afford to put your children everywhere that a White American can. Then the question remains should you? On one hand you want them to get the highest level of education they can as well as live in an environment that is relatively safe. On the other you are made to feel unwelcome and your child is missing out on some of the cultural foundation that they would get in a relatively black community. What we've seen is that a lot of black people start out trying the area we live in out only to move somewhere else around the age they are heading into high school.

    Well, we've decided we weren't running which has been rough on the kid. Here is a conversation I had with another volleyball dad friend of mine who's kid plays at the same club, but also for the school that we played at our gym. Apparently someone in the student section was calling players on the other team the N-word. Pretty embarrassing for me to have my friends being treated like that when they come to play us. We were also in the news this year for a middle school kid getting bullied through text messages by being called racial slurs. NAACP ended up getting involved. It was ugly.

     

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  20. 1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

    maddening. One of the things I love for Rory growing up here in North Carolina is that there are so many more black people in every room. Not that there isn’t plenty of racism, just hoping that there’s less de facto segregation .

    I used to live in Cary when I worked in the research triangle but that was before kids. You are correct that it is more mixed out there. I remember that standing out when I was there.

  21. 50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


    Sorry to hear that. It’s ultra-shitty, and makes me ashamed of my state. But more than that, hurting for your wife and your daughter. No words of wisdom to offer, I’ve been out of those for a while. Love each other.

    It is what it is Brisket. Me and you grew up here so we know what's up, but for outsiders it can be a bitter pill to swallow. My daughter is being recruited now and she swears she won't entertain any scholarships from Texas. I am doing my best to support but I am struggling finding the line.

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  22. 5 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

    That’s not how “tu quoque” works.  If I was saying “other automakers do this, so it’s OK that Tesla does it”, then you would have a point.  
     

    The general tone and theme re: Tesla in this thread is that Tesla has uniquely bad products and processes.  My only argument is that this is simply not the case.  

    My personal experience is my Tesla had seemingly little sound deadening material and had a lot of road noise compared to my wife's A6. It tried to kill me twice on the highway by slamming on the brakes because the car read that the barrier wall through the chicane was in front of it. After about 25k the window would leak at the carwash in the rinse cycle when the sprayer hit it. Didn't leak when it rained though. Hot as shit this last summer with the glass roof. Got rid of it. Ultimately it was a fun car for a bit but a shit product once you got some miles on it, and the programming in it seemed dangerous. I turned everything I could off. Probably won't buy another.

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  23. On 12/23/2023 at 9:16 AM, Brisketexan said:


    Yeah…I was born and raised in Houston. Purity rings and other rituals were some well-known bullshit there even 30 years ago.

    Same place same time frame and same sentiment.

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