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2 hours ago, Satchel said:
The bases of the two parties are vastly different.
The bases of the parties ARE different. However, when you do things like the 94 crime bill the R's come right back and remind brown people that Biden was the guy who put that together. Then you a good chunk of your minority vote in 2020 and 2024. The Republicans also throw the economy at the feet of the Dems because the cost of goods skyrocketed when you were in office. Being a centrist we did little to help on that front. The market was good, sure, but the layman doesn't pay attention to the market. Biden, being a conservative Dem, didn't show enough outrage for the little person, and that is why we are where we are. Do you think if AOC was President she wouldn't be screaming at the top of her lungs about the cost of goods? Do you think she wouldn't be trying to put pressure on entities like Kroger, who admitted to price gouging?
The people we have put in office have not been focused on the layman, and that is why we've lost them. Instead, we allowed the R's to point at minorities and blame them for the mess and get the hillbillies all riled up.
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On 5/30/2025 at 11:15 PM, Hank Kingsley said:
Here's gonna be my disconnect with the people who just want a "straight white male" to be the candidate. Yes, maybe it's an easier way to win the Presidency back and get Trump out of office. Maybe. But then what? The MAGA disease has already spread to every organ at this point in our country. A boring, safe, paint by numbers Presidency is not the cure. We tried that with Biden, it didn't work. We are going to need a reinvigorated Presidential administration that is extremely proactive with big and bold policies that they can push through ASAP.
Basically, go big or go home.
1980-Jimmy Carter
1984-Walter F. Mondale
1988-Michael S. Dukakis
1992-Bill Clinton
1996-Bill Clinton
2000-Al Gore
2004-John F. Kerry
2008-Barack Obama
2012-Barack Obama
2016-Hillary Clinton
2020-Joe Biden
2024-Kamala Harris
We have largely been running the "straight white male" playbook for 40 years. The only two times it worked was when the candidate was damn near a Republican. Those choices have gotten us where we are. The difference between the parties has become so barely distinguishable it allows the Republicans to use "identity politics" to differentiate between the two. No more of that shit. We need to energize the apathetic voter to come out and participate like Obama did or our politics will never change. Ever.
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2 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:
No, the argument is that you can still continue to teach these to employees under the EOs. "Inclusion" is not a problem word under the EOs. Nor is equality or discrimination nor is bias. So that's not an issue.
Yes, and the effectiveness of whatever you teach is certainly an issue. Companies have to make decisions about how much time employees are in training, and if the DEI program isn't effective, why have it?
But the hill I would likely die on, is that politically I think the Dems would be well served to focus all their energy on econmic color blind affirmative action in all sorts of government and private company policies. I think that is a faster trip to an equitable society, and it doesn't run up against the current discrimination laws we have which have in many ways locked disadvantaged people into an unfair race.
We CAN discriminate based on economic disadvantage - which if used properly will be more beneficial to historically disadvantaged people of color.
Let's use that tool to get us to an equitable society.
Moved the conversation over here for obvious reasons-
First and foremost pivoting to different wording isn't going to work. You DO understand that this isn't about a demographic that is fatigued with the attention paid to marginalized groups, right? This is a political party that wants to eradicate what they see as inferior humans. They are starting with what they feel they can get away with. Erasing of black history. Using DEI to push black people out of high level spaces. Attacking brown immigration, specifically Hispanics. They are starting here because it's what can work at the current juncture. Once they further erode the constitution they will come for the citizens next. We are 6 months in and they are at full on war with the Judicial. They want this land straight and white, and they want to consolidate power into the hands of the president who will create policy that the ruling class wants. If they could get away with lining all the marginalized group in front of a firing squad they would.
That being said if you are the Dems you don't take one step backwards only to be seen as "they are both the same". You hold your ground or you lose this country entirely. Every step backwards you take is another step to normalize this bullshit agenda they are pushing. Next thing you know 1939 Germany. We learned that lesson these last 10 years with Trump. When he first popped on the scene with his bullshit, he was the only one that was playing the shock and awe, cruelty is the point, insult you to your face, out in the open racist bullshit. Now look. The entire Republican party is that now. Why? Because we allowed it, and now there are no normal politics. Draw the fucking line in the sand and stand 10 toes down on it. Retreating is not an option. Turning our backs on marginalized groups to attract moderate Rs is not an option.
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8 hours ago, Incredulity said:
Soft power is by definition diplomacy. Biden signaled weakness by equivocating on what consequences would be for invasion and Putin took that signal and invaded.
It’s a literal case study in soft power failure
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8 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:
I waw not able to download the first link, but the only article that even pretended to be an academic paper rendered this conclusion:
Conclusions and implications. This study concludes that the majority of the sample companies have publicly stated diversity- related value statements. This suggests that companies have started to realise the importance of emphasising diversity related values. This study also concludes that diversity-related value statements are positively correlated with the financial performance of the sample companies, although their correlation is not statistically significant.
Which basically says that companies who trumpet diversity and talk the talk may have had positive financial performance. Maybe. Which isn't even the question I posed, which was how DEI programs have actually had positive diversity and inclusion EFFECTS.
And companies can still trumpet their commitment to these values today. Which again, doesn't answer the questions as to whether the programs themselves are of value or more importantly whether programs aimed at economic disadvantage would have a more positive effect.
This study highlights things that work and that aren't a problem under the EOs - mentorship programs and targeted recruiting (yes, you will have to recruit at Georgetown if you are going to recruit at Howard in order to cover your ass - but that's just good business.). But you can get actual results without being bogged down by the nomenclature.
This kinda puffy piece identifies the problem with the puff pieces you linked to. The data just isn't there that goes beyond the intuitive and real conclusion that diversity is good, and actually shows the results that DEI programs have achieved. The end of the article points wo how companies who are interested in diversity equity can do a lot more than lip service in terms of actually getting results.
Are Diversity Programs Doomed—Or Ready for a Revamp?
Although people are spending lots of time criticizing companies for editing their DEI-ish marketing language, in reality I think a lot of those companies behind the scenes are pretty pissed off and actually, finally, thinking of ways to go beyond the marketing.
Weird hill to die on. You cannot see the benefits teaching diversity and inclusion would have on not only your employees but how they treat the customers that come through the doors? Fuck a study. Never heard the phrase silence is collusion?
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8 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:
The same people who want to say Russia doesn’t take a shit without a plan, now want to say they are inept.
Biden exposed Putin’s Russia to the world and nobody is left wondering what power they bring.
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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:
Actual policies and laws emanate from our politicians. Here's just a few, statewide and national, that affect my kids:
- my daughter can no longer get the full spectrum of medical care she may need in Texas if she gets pregnant. A bad pregnancy is much more likely to kill her now.
- she wouldn't want to raise kids and educate them in Texas anyway; by the time any kid she could have tomorrow ends up in school, public education in this state will be on its last legs, as is the openly stated intention of the Tim Dunn crowd. Glad your kids have already made it through our schools. The next generation won't have that luxury.
- she is in a same-sex relationship. She is demonstrably less safe in Texas than elsewhere. And if she ends up in a same-sex marriage, is likely not to have legal rights as a married person in Texas.
- she is applying to graduate schools. Entire programs are being terminated with little notice as our government revokes their funding (we have a friend who was accepted into a program, then got a letter terminating that because funding was removed). My son will be in this boat in a year or two as well.
- the academic freedom of schools to which she would apply in the US is being sharply curtailed more every day by the administration.
- one of the regime's chief advisors has equated all 65 million hispanics in the US (that's my family) as "illegals." And the Regime has openly stated that anyone they deem illegal is not entitled to any due process. So, the fact that my family's last name subjects us to the risk of being grabbed by a fed with a grudge, and we end up on a plane to El Salvador, is a risk that you don't have to worry about. Cool. We do.
- job prospects for new college grads have plummeted in just the past few months as the Regime has injected unprecedented economic uncertainty into the mix.
- we have decided to become a full-on oligarchy instead of a functioning democracy. In terms of long-term economic prospects and personal freedom, that never, ever bodes well.
- they cannot count on the protection of the rule of law if they engage in any activity or thought that the Regime doesn't like. At the very least, "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."
Can keep going....for a long, long time. I will comment on how it always seems to be white men of economic means who say shit like "things haven't changed, what are you worried about? I'm doing fine?" Or "why get bent out of shape over some mean tweets?" It's a fuckload more than "mean tweets." If you are a member of ANY of the "out groups whom the law binds, but does not protect," this state and country are not good, and are getting worse at breakneck speed. And here's the punchline....in a fascist regime, EVERYONE eventually ends up in that class. Even the favored classes fall out of favor as an ethos that is built on constantly having enemies continues to search for new enemies.
No place on earth is perfect. This country is bad, and is getting much worse, at a rate of acceleration that surprises even me. Glad you don't have to worry about yourself. Those of us with disfavored last names and such don't have that luxury.
I am glad you took the time to type this out. So many times I starting typing out posts like this but don't want to be the guy always responding to this topic. It's funny how many people used to tell you to back off the ledge. Now they are praising you for being correct. There are still a few holdovers, but keep on pressing the line. You've been dead on thus far. I appreciate you!
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8 minutes ago, Goredho said:
This isn't really political, but as for living in the US in the future, I'm trying to prepare my kids to be agile. To not expect a 40 year career in a single industry. They might need 8 five year careers. I'm also steering them away from my field (computer science) as there are about to be a glut of workers for a contracting number of jobs that likely won't be returning, and generally educating them in how to recognize fields that will be similarly impacted by AI-augmented productivity.
Teach them to be mobile and how to leverage moves to their benefit. If you wait to have a family you can do well for yourself taking advantage of opportunities others cannot.
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32 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:Not a good analogy.
You son goes out to work on an oil rig first day on the job. Are you going to worry about his safety or whether he was thinking about whether he is secretly biased against his African American coworker?
I can remain committed to equality and opportunity without using the specific jargon of equity and diversity.
I can't be committed to safety without following safety guidelines.
Finally, there are built in financial disincentives to not following safety policies let alone the finality of death or dismemberment.
Your term lip service is appropriate. I think DEI in lots of lip service in many private firms. To me it almost hides issues of opportunity. We remove that veil then after this administration is done we can work on the real problem and not put the veil up again as lip service.
Netted out I see it as an opportunity if discourse and the quality of legislators ever improves.
Yeah. Let's not offend the snowflakes or there be's torches and pitchforks fo us massa
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28 minutes ago, Iceman said:
How much does politics/ political action impact the way you raise your kids? I mean, it does present a plethora of opportunities to explore how not to act towards one another. Having said that, I don't understand or possibly deliberately disagree with the guilt and shame some of you embrace. We have multiple threads in this board discussing the opportunities our kids have had, and they are not gone because of the cheeto king or any of the other bad actors in Washington or Austin.
Just because something emanates from our politicians, whether it is racism, greed, hate, whatever..., fuck em. The kids are looking at you first and handling dipshit behavior is part of that. There's more than a handful of items where our "leaders" act a certain way, and our kids knew, that ain't how we fucking act/ conduct ourselves.
Are we supposed to be inspired by our politicians? Possibly, but I am not and have not been for most of my adult life. Are there still basic principles that drive success? You betcha, and the politicians don't control that shit either. We can either sit around and feel sorry for ourselves and wait for hope to come from Washington...LMAO; or get off our asses and make something happen. Lotsa folks appear to be scared of the color yellow. Be better. Convey an ounce of self confidence... or dwell in mamby-pamby land. Your reaction to the bullshit has a bigger impact than the actual bullshit, IMHO.
A couple things-
This board is an outlet. In war you might be scared but it doesn't stop you from fighting.
People on this board are out here in these streets kicking ass and being successful. We are just venting about the day to day frustrations of our country's, and sometimes the world's, politics. Take me for example. My mom, like a lot of African Americans from her era, never owned a home. In a single generation we went from no home ownership to all of us owning our own home, with me owning a house where if you turn right out of my driveway and drive 1/8 a mile, turn left, drive another 1/8, and turn right, you will be looking at a 15k sq ft house. No one is folding up the tent.
That said, this is a board of educated people. When you learn what you did to this country's indigenous. When you learn why we actually fight wars or the puppet regimes we've put in place around the globe to serve our own interest. When you learn the steps this country has taken to keep a thumb on the head of its people. When you know how the country has legislated itself to protect the elite. When you have the means to travel and hear how people outside this country feel about us. When you work in places that are multinational and your colleague sits down and has a beer with you and lets loose about his world view. When you are old enough to see the same things that didn't work 40 years ago tried again and again. When you studied enough to know history and have to sit by and watch people "touch the stove".
When you know all that, you need a place to let off a little steam, and thank the lord for this place.
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11 hours ago, Incredulity said:
“It worked”
holy shit. You honestly believe that…amazing.
9 hours ago, linux said:Russia has never been more weakened, their military was expected to be powerful and not only was it exposed as a paper tiger that even Estonia could repel but their entire near infinite soviet stock of armor is completely gone.
Russia suffered the most humiliating hard military defeat possible, so much so that a mini NATO of Poland, Ukraine and the Baltics is more than powerful enough to repel any invasion from now to the foreseeable future, however they can probably still terrorize with glided bombs and drones, but that does not mean they can take any more territory.
A simple analogy is that all the spearheads were dented and all they are left with are sticks
But still fighting to take this tiny little country over 3 years later @Incredulity
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28 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:
Nonsense. They knew they were black when they came over here.
I stand by the theory that this is what happened to Trump at some point.
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48 minutes ago, Incredulity said:
Well you see in 2022 Joey Joe Joe put on a master class in “soft power” threatening to make Russia a “pariah state” if they invaded Ukraine.
Or were you really in a coma then?Maybe it has something to do with, oh you know, the backdoor phone calls to Putin and Netanyahu asking them not to cooperate so that he would be back in office. Or did you forget that part? You know how Reagan did.
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2 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:
Before you know it midterm elections will be here, and if Dems are successful in the House all of the bitching and crying is done. If your kids aren’t teenagers now, they won’t remember most of this shit.
Or just go to Mexico. It’s easy. Go literally anywhere. Nobody is stopping you. Abandon any family you have and bang whores in SE Asia like every Aussie, Brit, and Russian with a passport.
Yeah man, my kid is about to graduate high school and all she knows is batshit crazy politics. Let that sink in.
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1 hour ago, Macanudo said:
I continue to stand by the assertion that if those who hire undocumented employees where fined/jailed for doing so, things would get shook up pretty nicely.
That's the thing Mac. A lot of these folks recently weren't actually undocumented. They were here on some type of program that got canceled because reasons. Trump's last day in office he granted asylum to Venezuelans. I am sure he did it to fuck with Biden but he let in a shit ton of the very people he is now deporting. Haitians came the right way. A ton of other people came the right way.
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1 minute ago, seven said:
Get out and see the world, you will discover that the US is simultaneously not so great and not so bad. This thread should be renamed "rich people problems".
Yeeeaaaaahhhhh.........for you
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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:
I kinda disagree. It's the cognitive dissonance that lives in their brains.
Individual minorities, gay people etc. who they personally know? Well.....Jose is a good fella, hard worker. We aren't talking about him. And Carol...she's a sweetheart. We don't mean her.
But brown people generally? THEY'RE INVADER CRIMINALS!
How do they reconcile these? We've all seen it before. If you grew up in the South over the past 50 years, there is a 100% chance you've heard someone utter the phrase "oh....but not you, Jose/Tyrese/Vinh...you're one of the good ones!"
It's that easy. They can be both completely and totally racist....yet compassionate and not racist as to a specific individual. And both things are absolutely true, and match human nature. It's easy to dehumanize a group, it's hard to dehumanize an individual who you know - it's a cousin of the "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" phenomenon.
We are filled with people who will cheerfully build death camps for "the other," then cry genuine tears when their minority friend is sent to his death there.
Lol. Any black person that has done well for themselves knows what Brisket here said is dead on balls accurate. You're one of the good ones. "You are so well spoken". They have it in their heads that everyone else is ignorant and a criminal. Just one or two good ones.
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My daughter refused to entertain any recruiters from traditional red states for college volleyball. She is headed to a blue state for school. We saw it as an opportunity to vacate Texas as a family. So we will see how that goes but we are also looking at properties outside the country. If things start to really hit the fan me and my daughter are out(the brown ones) and my wife will stay and close up shop.
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6 hours ago, BrickHorn said:
”Hey working class people. I know you want a fair share of the American prosperity you’ve created. Now, we could just hand that to you directly.
This part reminds me of a conversation I had. I have a friend who was talking about no tax on tips. I told him it was Republicans shenanigans, simply a loophole they can exploit. When he disagreed I told him if they really wanted to help tipped workers, how about eliminating "tipped minimum wage". ...........Silence.
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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:
It's amazing how many people still try to promote it with a straight face.
Isn't it weird though? We've been running the trickle down experiment for over 40 years now. Why are people still voting for it?
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2 hours ago, UpperWestside said:
I've interjected this on here before, but the broken government is something you can look back into the WWII era of American politics. The Reagan era was just the point where stupidity had found a permanent home and the growth exploded from that point forward into this monster that it is today. WWII though had some ridiculous sequences on the home front thanks to people like William Randolph Hearst. The 1944 behind the scenes campaign to get MacArthur the Republican nod for president was among the most atrocious things he was a part of. That man was just pure awful, an open supporter of the Nazis in his newspapers in the 1930's and an avowed enemy of FDR after supporting him early on. Hearst and his newspaper handiwork put an imprint on the party and its voters long before the era that all of us were born in.
True as this is, that stretch from WW2 to 1980 man. We almost had it. Peaking in the 1960's. Housing construction was still pretty good. Almost everything we churned out in the automotive world was fuckin awesome. Equality was heading in the right direction. That's when the south rose up, and politicians rode that wave all the way to current times if you think about it.
Sometimes I think to myself, what if Reagan never came along. That dude, even though more polite and charismatic, did far more damage than Trump is doing.
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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:
We admitted we were powerless over
alcoholignorance — that our lives had become unmanageable.My mom was an alcoholic so much appreciated sir!
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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
We've never reckoned with our original sin (slavery). Which is amazing, being that we fought our bloodiest war over the issue....but then we never finished the job. We lurched back and forth between the shittiness of Reconstruction and then the shittiness of Jim Crow, without ever solving a goddamned thing.
We are a nation of immigrants.....that hates immigrants.
We are a nation with a much-larger-than-normal "minority" population....that hates minorities.
We are a decadent nation....that is violently puritanical about sex and drugs and such.
We are a nation that brags on law and order....with an off-the-charts rate of gun violence.
Our national ethos is denial. To get better, we don't have to self-flagellate. But goddammit, we need to admit to the full spectrum of our sins, and quit making excuses.
So what are we doing? Literally BANNING any education that would "make white people feel bad." Which is shitty, when you realize that white people are the most fragile snowflakes around, and merely hearing that this country was built on a foundation of enslavement of black people, which distorted wealth and power in ways apparent to the present day, makes them hurt in their fee-fees.
What's crazy about this country is the motherfuckers that came over here, came here because they weren't shit where they came from. They got here and a couple years in, here come the Irish and Sicilians. Now they hate those dirty Irish and Italians. A Few years later here come the Chinese, and the Blacks were set free. All the sudden the Irish and Italians get folded into the "white" box in order to gang up on those dirty yellows, reds, and browns. Now the Jews want in, but we would rather let the dude in Germany kill them all rather then let in those shifty Jews.
The truth is none of us were shit or we wouldn't have left where we came from. That's the funniest thing about it. Now we wanna puff out our chest as if any of us are from some Aristocrats. Fuck out of here.
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55 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:
I'm not forgiving them. But there's a fuck ton of blame to go around. I think the powerful and wealthy deserve most of it.
Naw bra! Olds vote. Olds should have enough experience to quit falling for the okie-doke. I think I was about 7 when I first started screaming at Wile E. Coyote to quit falling for the Roadrunner's shit every Saturday. That's how I feel when I look at this country.
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Weird it's like they are having a hard time finding criminals.