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Posts posted by Thatguy
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10 minutes ago, Derka said:
lmao, yesterday you were talking a whole bunch of shit about me ducking you, failing to “post receipts”, and failing to “answer your question”, and when i said, “what the hell are you even talking about? you are confusing me with someone else” you didn’t have anything to say for the first time in your life you incendiary dumbass. you’ve been nothing but combative and insulting this entire thread, and yet you’re really going to convince yourself that that’s not true, that it’s everyone else.
well now you can feel free to go ahead and post the receipts to back up what you’re saying. go ahead and link to me to some of these insane arguments you see me making everywhere. oh and feel free to wander over to the hoops and baseball boards where 95% of my posts are and ask them how often i’m just starting dumbass arguments like the ones you do all over this thread. “i read the other boards” he says. lol. fuck outta here.
You made a comment about Quin's completion percentage. I cornered you on it and you continued to duck the question. I am not the receipts guy. That is JimmyJazz. You argue with so many people you can't even keep your opponents straight. Again, only one of us has had timeouts(multiple) for lighting the forum on fire, and that person is not me. I am only an asshole on this board. I am quite agreeable on others. BTW I have advocated for you on multiple occasions just so you know.
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2 minutes ago, Derka said:
you don’t know anything about my posts outside of this thread and you’re literally starting a new argument right now.
Just because I don't post places doesn't mean I don't read them.
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1 minute ago, Derka said:
you’re the only one of us who sees this as a competition. your desire to “win” is a big part of what makes you so unable to be objective or admit that you’re ever wrong.
Only one of us argues everywhere they go on the board and that person is not me.
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17 minutes ago, Derka said:
I told you the same thing the expert did but the difference is you cannot allow yourself to be schooled by someone you feel you are superior than. Even now. Even though you don't even know what you don't know, you are still being dismissive of someone even though you are being outclassed in the conversation.
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2 hours ago, MrBig said:
Your Ohio State example is ass. They had 14 players drafted in 2025 and won the title. Nobody is saying they won because Will Howard came. Yet you keep saying Texas got to the semis because of Quinn.
“Stability at quarterback” is horseshit when you have over a dozen players drafted. OSU had a different QB last year, had only 4 players drafted, and didn’t even make the CFP in 2024. All the talent around Will Howard made a difference to win a title in 2025.
Ohio State has been winning consistently for seemingly ever. What in the fuck are you even talking about? We haven't been this good since 2009. Ohio State has more than 60 players in the league. They've had one losing season since 1988. 19 fucking 88. Meanwhile we just came off a stretch where we were irrelevant for 14 years Big. Let's not try to make it like the two things are ever comparable.
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44 minutes ago, Derka said:
when lots and lots and lots of people repeatedly say, “quinn led us to back to back playoffs” and “quinn turned this program around” without ever giving credit to sark, pk, choice, bijan, sweat, barron, murphy, worthy, whitt, AD, etc, you can see how it would feel to a lot of people like QE is being singlehandedly given credit for everything good that Texas has done.
then, when you have thatguy, who posts as if his family is being held hostage and will be killed if he even so much as admits that QE has any flaws or shortcomings, or that any lack of success for our team was in any way QE’s fault, plus a ton of people pos repping (aka co-signing) these posts, it only adds to the feeling that a ton of people give QE sole credit for UT Football’s resurgence. i mean the guy’s cult following started when he was 16 and committed to Texas the first time. these people have been insanely invested for years and years. he is their chosen one.
so, while i don’t think anyone has out and out said that QE did it all by himself, a ton of people have gone out of their way to credit QE for “turning around the program” without ever acknowledging his enormous supporting cast, pretty much all of whom were more responsible for turning this program around than QE. you read this same stuff day after day for months, and it definitely starts to feel like people think that QE did for his team’s what VY and Colt did for theirs.
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Most people are thankful for Quinn because we remember what we had for the last decade or so(besides Sam). No one thinks Quinn did anything by himself, but we just ran the SEC with two 190lb, 3rd down backs, Juan Davis playing significant minutes, and one good wide receiver(Bond was hurt all year).Our roster isn't the monster you think it is. If you don't think so look at our roster vs Ohio State's. We ran back the same level of success after losing Worthy, Mitchell, Sanders, Brooks, Jones, Baxter, Whitt, Sweat, Murphy, Ford, and Williams.....AND transitioning to the SEC. Stability at quarterback has something to do with that.
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6 hours ago, Had Enough said:
Not one time have I said the stats tell the whole story. And many times I put them out there for informational purposes.
I know we don’t talk about this shit but as a youth thru high school - participated in 4 varsity sports, two way starter, two year starter basketball, on the relays. QB. And I wasn’t some passive S sitting 15 yards off the ball on defense. Now, I am old, bitter dude that’s reflected on successes and failures. That’s watched as a parent, youth coach, observant fan. 4A to 6A. Have seen 4 and 5 star players competing not just in those sports but others and from a reasonably close view. I’ve seen my high school produce an NFL QB, a state player of the year. Girl sports, boy sports. I was not a casual participant. I’m not a casual fan. I watch your Longhorns live and in person. Then I watch the recording. I was in position athletically to see how impactful failures can be on a personal athletic achievement level because of successes. So when you think I’m a dumbass, when you think I’m full of it, know that’s the backdrop and there’s a hint of that in every post. Even those that include the stats.
I know your kid plays some volleyball. I believe you played some football. Maybe you played it much longer than I did. Maybe your experiences are more unique and varied.
I haven’t put a cap on your boy Quinn. I don’t give a general damn that his balls get knocked down occasionally. I don’t care that his footwork isn’t perfect. I don’t care that he can “make all the throws.” I don’t believe his deep ball is as bad as most make it out. I don’t believe his intermediate ball is as good people make it, which doesn’t mean he’s not capable. Whatever results he’s produced to date don’t matter. What matters most is that he has the opportunity. He needs consistency of effort. Repeat the good more often; the bad less often.
I do not think you are a dumb ass at all. It is clear you approach the game with experience. I can see that in your posts. I just think that some people are over-reliant on statistics. Even some really good coaches get caught up in the analytics sometimes.
I think when you think I am explaining things I am talking to you. I am not. There are 1000's of lurkers on this thread that I am talking to. Some of those people don't understand the game and those are the people I am talking to. Take @Derka for example. He was bashing Quinn on a vertical route because he had no idea how a fade route is supposed to be run or thrown until another poster corrected him. Those are the people that need direction and explaining. You would never do that because you understand the nuances of the game. I respect that about you. I also respect that about @BurntOrange&White, and many other posters that I don't always see eye to eye with. You guys generally make this place a fun place to be and I commend you for that. So don't ever think I don't respect your knowledge because I am talking to the audience. It's a hangover from some professional roles.
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37 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:
Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.
But here we are again...
How many "Quinn brought us back." Posts would you like me to find?
If you're so tone def you only see 1 side of the anti/pro aspects... guess what... 😘
Lol. Nobody and I mean nobody thinks Quinn was the sole reason we won games. What I DO THINK is that our quarterback woes since Colt are why we were wandering in the desert and we finally got a solid one who was able to take advantage of the tools we had. What's weird to a lot of us is how quickly this place forgot what our other quarterbacks looked like. We went from excited to be competitive to dumb shit like insert mediocre qb would've been more successful in this offense than Ewers, as if he had nothing to do with us winning games.
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Just now, Had Enough said:
I merely pointed out the potential point of confusion.
I mean why would I argue such a point with someone who wouldn’t support that conclusion or entertain the idea of evidence to the contrary. And it’s certainly not possible to counter some definition of downfield passing team in your mind that’s not known to others.
NO ONE is going to listen to you if your stance is that the Patriots' offense was based around airing it out. No one. Tom Brady was in the 6th round for two reasons. Lack of mobility and lack of arm strength.
A 15 yard out from the opposite hash is a big time, 40 yard, NFL throw, but it still only counts as 15 yards, same as a 15 yard throw straight up the hash mark that you as the QB are standing on. In the stat book they both count the same but on the field they are very different. One is "airing it out". The other is "dink and dunk". Gronk averaged 15 yrds for his career catching balls up the seam. STATS DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
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11 hours ago, MrBig said:
This is a post that was thrown vertically instead of out in front. You know, the route that I said that Quinn struggles throwing and then @Had Enough said "With no support or context. So we’re to take this as gospel because you said so". Quinn misses this route A LOT. The throw to Worthy in the game at Bama was a post that Quinn threw vertically just Worthy adjusted to it. It's crazy to me that he misses that route to the level he does while being really good at throwing a deep dig which is much harder.
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26 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:
I feel like the defense should get a fair amount of credit on 2 or 3 of those.Absolutely. But they had a unique recipe that worked. TEs worked the seams. A small, quick guy working the LOS, and some rando for the intermediate.
12 hours ago, Had Enough said:Lay off the stats yet you and others like to throw out this: “A huge chunk of Ewers missed downfield throws were on the same route combo where the deep guy is running a big post.”
With no support or context. So we’re to take this as gospel because you said so.
The original quote says “average depth of target” which is different than yards per attempt. There are myriad ways you can get to yards per attempt but less so depth of target.
There are reasons I quote from PFF. It’s data (less subjective) paired with grades (more subjective). It’s not available because I said it’s useful either.
And like it or not in the past two years all 1st round QBs were in the top 13 each year in their grading.
As I age, I see why people get more bitter.
So let me get this straight. Are you going to come here and tell us that the Patriots, outside of the Moss years, were a downfield passing team? Is that the business you are going to stand on?
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4 hours ago, AnotherLawyer said:
You make a good point. As physical concepts I mostly think of accuracy and precision as interchangeable and receiver-relative, like placing the ball over the outside shoulder rather than the inside shoulder, for example. Ewers threw to the same spot regardless of where the receiver was. From a field-relative standpoint, he's accurate. From a receiver-relative standpoint, he's accurate on certain routes and not others. A lot of these guys who trained with the same small groups of private coaches have outstanding field-relative accuracy.
Yep. A huge chunk of Ewers missed downfield throws were on the same route combo where the deep guy is running a big post. He threw it vertical every. damn. time. He was very good with true verticals on his right side, and missed quite a few true verticals on his left.
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3 hours ago, Derka said:
i’ll take his word for it, he certainly knows better than i do. still, it’s hard to know (for a layperson like me) given QE’s propensity for a)lifting every pass and b)generally being inaccurate downfield if you’re watching a great back shoulder fade or a could-have-been td that was thrown short and wide.
Its a fade. The receiver is supposed get vertical while leaving a few yards to his outside and not allow the DB to walk him to the sideline. QB is supposed to hit the receiver on the outside shoulder, guiding him away from the defender so he cannot break up the pass. Where the defender is determines where the throw should be. If the defender is on top of the receiver then the QB should throw the fade to the back shoulder. If the defender is on his hip you throw it upfield and to the outside shoulder. Literally a perfect throw.
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30 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
IMO and what I’ve seen watching NFL football the intermediate is the most important and being able to drive the football to the boundaries are the two most important things that really good NFL QBs do the best. Which basically means that QBs ability to hit those spots opens up the whole field….
I can’t think of a team that has won a Super Bowl with a dolphins style underneath offense except for maybe the chiefs a few years ago but Mahomes is the great equalizer because of his ability
The Patriots.......6 times.
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7 hours ago, Derka said:
yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”. at this point i’m shocked that he hasn’t been hired by any of the resident $9.95 UT slurper pay sites. as evidenced by this thread, people can’t get enough of thatguy’s “let me break down this film and explain to you why it’s kelvin banks’s fault that quinn ewers overthrew his wr by 10 yards here while also visibly wincing due to a pass rush that was three seconds away from being a threat.” yeah he’s sooooooo reputable. 🙄
i don’t give a shit if it turns out that thatguy is bill belichick, he’s so undeniably wrong (and stubborn) about quinn ewers that he has zero credibility in this thread. he literally can’t admit that quinn ewers could possibly be responsible for any of Texas’s shortcomings over the last three years. it’s a running joke at this point.
Lol. Unhinged.
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7 hours ago, Zeus said:
tldr
Colt was good until he went to the browns they suck ass
He would’ve been fine in a legit pro style offense
Quinn is going to need to speed up his reads and get some pocket presence or he’s probably never going to play in the NFL. It’s doable though I’m hoping he gets to sit a couple years at least and learn an offense before he gets thrown out there.
As I said previously. There was nothing magic about it. The more receivers on the field the easier it is to throw the football. Colt was a regular passer his first two years until we decided to start playing primarily 4 wide receivers. That's when his completion percentage went through the roof. Once he got into the pros and went back to passing out of pro sets his passer rating went back down. It was as simple as that.
About Quinn's reads its the opposite. He goes through his progressions TOO fast. He needs to slow down and not come off reads so early. Probably because he was worried about the pass rush.
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7 hours ago, Derka said:
why would i listen to you when a)you’re an asshole, and b)you’ve proven to be the least objective poster in this entire thread which is really saying something)?
I will not let you dodge the question. You challenged what I said about completion percentages and accuracy. I will not let you dodge the question. In Colt's first two years he was a mid 60's completion percentage passer. His last two years his completion percentage jumped to the 70's. What changed to make that happened and then changed back when he got to the pros? Answer the question.
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26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:
Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.
If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.
That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.
Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.
Also @Derka in that same game they put up a stat that I will post as a screenshot below. Ewers averaging 14 air yards per to start that game. Again, as I said above this happened repeatedly this season. Our base offense was a lot of 12 personnel out of tight or bunch sets. Our passing offense looked most fluid when we spread out with receivers outside the hashes. However, that is not Sark's offense so we never ran full games like that. But again, you are too filled with hate for the guy to see what is right in front of your face.
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6 hours ago, Nivek said:
See this type is misrepresentation is very typical of you, it is a strawman fallacy that they teach in intro philosophy class. I didn't watch the interview with the agent, but it seems maybe it came from there? @Thatguy thinks that rumor started from one of the videos of him. And @AnotherLawyer cited him being in HS and having a video out there of a long pass. I found and linked those. I also posted them with a healthy sense of skepticism because it is very unclear to me where the ball is landing and there is no context. Now you have decided that I believe he could throw a football 80 yards when he was 12 or 14 or whatever, so you could try to represent yourself as a reasonable person when really, you failed to do that from the outset by misrepresenting what was stated and by whom.
The weird thing is that this all started because YOU were making all kinds of absurd claims based on his NFL draft when no one else was talking about it, trying to cite that as evidence and then using your alternate account (my assumption) to keep pushing goalposts every other post. This other post here seems to indicate this is something weirdly personal to you. QE is a record holding QB that helped lead Texas to several significant wins, including a playoff victory and statistically he sits up there in the top 10 of Texas QBs. Nothing you can ever say will change that.
wrong quote
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26 minutes ago, Derka said:
your completion percentage is going to be higher when the majority of your throws are your first read which is right near/behind the LOS, and yet…
it's honestly incredible, your entire posting history of making excuses for every single area where QE lacks. never his fault. always someone else’s fault. fascinating.
Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.
If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.
That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.
Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.
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2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:
It’s 57th percentile in the last 5 years of college football. So pretty much the definition of average.
Your completion percentage is going to be lower throwing out of heavy run sets all the time. Less targets on the field equal tighter throwing windows. For an example of this see the jump in Colt McCoy's completion percentage when they made the switch to 4 wide his junior year, and then back down to earth once he got in the pros and running pro sets again. There is no magic elixir.
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59 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
My personal belief of why QB is the hardest position to evaluate is because you can't really evaluate the mental side of the position or the drive of a player until the lights come on and it's go time. There are some things you can look for to try and help you find those but IMO you don't truly know until shit hits the fan or they step foot into your facility.
I don't think it's that hard to evaluate. Teams just get caught up with measurables. From there its "we spent this much on this kid so we have to give him time" and "we didn't spend much on this kid so we need to move on as quickly as possible if it looks shaky".
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14 minutes ago, Derka said:
anyone who thinks that quinn ewers had a bigger arm in 8th grade than rick mcivor did at Texas is a MORON. and yet we’ve spent, what, three pages arguing this very fact?
for the people a few pages back who said they haven’t seen anything that would suggest a cult-like following, this is it. this is exactly what i’m talking about. someone tells you that your demigod did something outrageously unbelievable, and you’ll believe it and argue to the death that it’s real. for once, i’m not just being colorful and hyperbolic, im actually being serious- we have people here who disavow any facts or data which refute their warped reality, yet they will believe any outlandish-impossible claim made about their hero so long as it’s positive. it’s cult stuff. and all of this for the 200th best qb in the nation, a guy who objectively held his team back. unreal.
What facts???
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Here you go. Again, you are arguing with so many people you can't keep things straight. That response was to me btw