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  1. On 11/29/2023 at 6:50 PM, shadow_operative said:

    i mean, worthy is first team all big xii (including as a return man, highlighting his dynamism), AD Mitchell is the newcomer of the year and a projected first round pick, JT Sanders is first team all league will be a first or second round pick and is our best TE since J Mike. it’s the best group of pass catchers (including the backs, gunnar helm, whittington, etc) that we’ve had in ages. it’s an extremely talented group. to downplay how talented and productive these guy are makes you seem partial, and agenda driven. imo anyway. 

      Did you watch the game last night? Did you see Penix throwing off his back foot all game, missing open wide receivers, and generally struggling when any kind of pressure was on him? What about Bo Nix? Looked a lot like Auburn Bo Nix when facing a little defense. Remember that Quinn threw for 369 on UW.

     Anyway, Worthy is probably the best receiver in the country with the ball in his hands. That said, he has trouble getting the ball in his hands if there is any contact, or on balls past 20 yards. This has been the case for all his time on the 40, long before Quinn got here. He doesn't track the ball well and he struggles catching with his hands. He likes to basket catch everything. AD is a good receiver, but he isn't shifty or a burner. He catches whats thrown to him but doesn't turn up field and make a play afterwards. That's not partial or agenda driven. That's just the plain truth with no burnt orange tinted shades.

     TV and draft personality opinions are wrong all the time. That's How Jamarcus Russell goes first and Tom Brady barely gets drafted. Bo Nix has looked like a world beater the second he stepped out of the SEC. Maybe he is that good or maybe they just play a trash schedule. What I do know is that Oergon has stepped out of their conference vs a decent team twice in the last two years vs UNC and Georgia. Bo threw for 205 2tds and 1int vs UNC, and 21-37 177 and 2 ints vs Georgia. Penix got outplayed head to head vs Quinn last year in a bowl game, throwing it 54 times for only 287 yards to Quinn's 369 on 47 tosses. Outside of that they haven't stepped outside the Pac12 vs anyone good. Bottom line, all QBs struggle. This who is the best won't get answered til they all get to the league.

  2. 17 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

    is there any away we can get helobious to start a thread about how we all need to accept that this team is never going to make the playoff?

     

    12 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

    Why do you do this?

    We are literally one Florida State loss away from making the playoff

    This team might make the playoff and they might not.

    What good does posting "we all need to accept that this team is never going to make the playoff?" do? Stop it

     

    12 hours ago, texifornia said:

    The one time he makes a half decent stab at a joke, he is misunderstood. It's a cold world.

    Seriously. I would be lying if I said the thought didn't cross my mind to message ole Helobious.

  3. 3 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

    it’s because quinn is the chosen one, and our fans have put all of their eggs into his basket since the day he committed- both times. anything that suggests that he isn’t single handedly leading a bunch of nobodies to an 11-1 record is seen as a personal attack on QE and is a potential world shatterer to those who are so invested in him. i say this with zero snark btw. this truly is the reason why so many want to downplay our talent around QE/ignore his faults/give him credit for our 11 wins, even though he completely missed two games and has been carried by the talent around him more than vice versa.

    No one is saying that our receivers aren't good. They just aren't as good as you think they are. For example, Troy Franklin at Oregon was the number 2 WR prospect out of Cali AHEAD of Worthy, and sure as shit there he is balling out. These teams with good QBs have talent just like we do. Sometimes more. Also, almost all these QBs have had a mediocre game or 2. Penix just had two very average games the last two weeks. Daniels had a couple bad games this year. The only QB who hasn't had bad games is Nix, and we all saw him at Auburn. 

  4. 12 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

    Again, why do you pretend that we don’t have great weapons all over the place? Why would you parse out YAC? That’s just dumb. Quinn has multiple TD passes this year strictly from YAC because we have guys that can make plays everywhere. 


    You would take Bama’s WRs over ours? Ok then.

      I parsed out YAC because who has that stat to say we are better than any of the other good CFB teams out there?

     Here is what I do know. Nabors has more yards and as many TDs as Worthy and Mitchell combined on 26 LESS receptions by his damn self! Add in Thomas and Lacy and you get another 1500 yards. I mean Harrison Jr has the same amount of catches as Worthy but 400 more yards and 9 more TDs when EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE knows the ball is coming to him. Add in the fact that Ohio State has Egbuka who had 1200 yards receiving and 10 TDs last year but has been knicked up and missed games this year. Still 35-452 and 4 TDs isn't bad. He is averaging roughly the same per catch as Worthy. I would take Ga, and Bama's receivers too.

    Both of our receivers have flaws. AD has great hands but you can't tell me the last time he got significant YAC. Worthy is awesome after the catch, but drops a lot of balls, loses every 50/50, and you can't tell me the last time he caught a ball through contact. Sanders is a very good TE, and Whittington's talent is his try hard. I think the real issue is that it's been so long since we had truly elite talent at WR that we forgot what it looks like. There are great receivers out there besides ours my man.

  5. 19 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

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    Nothing overly exceptional other than the being open thing. Oh and the whole running after catch thing.

    Any decent receiver gets open, and I said none of our receivers do anything overly exceptional PRIOR to the ball hitting them in the hands. Running after the catch is after it hits their hands. We have good receivers but we aren't Bama, Georgia, or Ohio State. 

  6. On 11/27/2023 at 6:17 PM, hobbes2702 said:

    No shit. MM isn’t the same QB. Saying Quinn can more effectively beat a defense than MM doesn’t change the point. I literally said in my post that’s it’s a combination. You seem to think it’s all Quinn and that’s just not accurate. He’s been really good, he has great tools. Those statements aren’t mutually exclusive.

    There is nothing overly exceptional any of our receivers do prior to the ball hitting them in the hands. Nothing. Worthy runs solid routes but gives that back with suspect hands and literally never winning a 50/50. Any contact is a drop. 

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  7. 1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

    Ok, but both QBs performed well given Sark's game plan and our personnel when teams game planned to stop the run. No one would mistake MM for a good college QB at this point in his career. So it may simply be that even bad QBs can get a lot out of Sark's offense if opponents try and cheat on the run game. If so, and that appears to be the evidence right now, then this doesn't appear to be a solid foundation for an argument that Quinn is a really good QB. Overall this year I'd say his performance is satisfactory with some moments of greatness. But he has also had a lot of moments that indicate he has some ways to go before he is in the upper echelon of college QBs. The potential is definitely there.  I'd love for him to reach it this season. 

    MM performed well because he saw 1v1 coverage to start his games and then once the defense dropped their safeties back he folded like a lawn chair. Both times. Quinn sees that defense that MM folded under every week and still delivers.

  8. 2 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

    almost nothing in this post addresses any of the criticisms i’ve made about quinn. his pocket presence, his footwork, and his accuracy are all well below where they should be at this point in his career, and have been issues for QE from day 1.  he has improved as a QB, but he still has a ton of room for improvement, and is visually, empirically, and statistically inferior to the top QBs in the country. leagues away from these guys, really. the idea that it’s simply our system which has those guys performing better is blind homerism BS. you’re basically insinuating that we could switch out QE for any of the top QBs and all teams would still perform exactly as they have, which is a ridiculous notion. QE has lots of work to do before he is in the level of the likes of daniels, williams, nix, penix, etc.

    i have fought back on the idea that QE is one of the best QBs in the country, that he’s a Longhorn legend (absolutely insane proclamation), and that he’s a lock to make it in the NFL. that’s what i’ve said about quinn. if you disagree with that, feel free to address it. otherwise most of what you said is just QE fluff that has nothing to do with any of my criticisms of him as our QB.

     

     

     It is really a good thing you aren't an NFL GM. You would've said the same thing about Mahomes and passed on him in the draft. These dudes are baseball players man. Their feet, arm angles, and platforms are all over the place. It's how they play. For every throw you sit and judge QE throws something other guys just can't or don't do. You pass it up though because you have been hating on him since he got here and just refuse to take a loss. However. Let's take a look shall we?

     Defenders are taught to read body positioning to determine where the ball is going. So sometimes your body positioning and arm angles can fool defenders and give your guy an advantage or you a throwing window that might not have been there.

    1) 8:02 Baxter goes in motion. Quinn turns toward Baxter but throws across his body to Whitt. The free DB takes a couple steps towards Baxter then has to turn and find Whitt allowing him to get 8 yards before contact. It completely froze the defender.

    2)8:55  Ewers feet are pointed right where the blitzing defender jumps but he drops his arm angle and throws around him to Worthy. If Worthy didn't run a lazy, rounded-off route its an easy catch. Ewers created that throwing window. You likely didn't notice.

    3)26:30 Quick little flick AROUND the head of the blitzer to Whitt that goes for 14 yards. Watch the replay. Body position is pointed right. Defense drifts that way despite all the O-line flowing left. At the last second he sidearms the ball around the head of the free blitzer and the defense is caught on its heels. If you square your body around here the defense will respond to it.

    4)35:22 Defender comes free and jumps to block where he thinks the pass is going based on where Quinn's body is pointing. QE sidearms a ball around him to Sanders and picks up 5 yards.

    These are just a few examples of the little nuances that QE brings to the table that most people gloss over and other QBs don't do. Despite what you think they matter. He has throws like that every game. He throws a nice soft catchable ball. Instead of rocketing balls in there that get dropped. He is accurate. No place on the field is safe from him. Does he miss throws? All the time, but so does every other QB out there.

     

     

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  9. 24 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    It's probably some of what you suggest, but it's also reasonable to think they didn't expect Sark to be as aggressive with Maalik as he was with Quinn, and lean more on the run game.

     

    13 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


    Yeah, conventional wisdom says a new and inexperienced qb will have a run heavy game plan. Of course the defense would come out planning on shutting down the run. The initial game script was great for MM because he was comfortable doing what was asked.

      Point is teams don't default to that defense just simply because we have receivers and an aggressive OC. They ask us to prove we can complete them and when we prove we can then they will back off. Quinn has gotten that respect week after week without having to prove it, because teams know if you single up vs him he WILL hit the receivers and you will have a long night. When teams who do not play the 3-3-5 change their entire scheme for an opponent that is a sign of ultimate respect.

  10. 11 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

    I’m just not sure why you credit that to Quinn rather than Sark and the WRs. Or some combination of the 3. To say the 335 is specifically about stopping Quinn isn’t accurate. Quinn throws the ball but teams play 335 because we like the deep pass and have the athletes to beat them in man coverage.

    Another part of this is our inability to score in the red zone. Defenses take the approach of giving up more ground game, because we can’t score in a compact field. That’s likely because we have a QB who still struggles with accuracy and progression.

    Quinn has been way better this year. Texas has elite WRs and TEs with a damn good offensive line (especially in pass pro, despite everyone pretending otherwise). It’s ok that Quinn needs to keep getting better and isn’t a finished product. He has great tools and uses them. 

    They didn't come out in that when Murph was QB. That's why he had so many 1v1 matchups in his starts. So two different QBs saw two different approaches even though they have the same OC and receivers.

  11. 17 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

    LOLOLOL. any team that has faced Texas the last two years and was determined to let us run the ball with our literally-best-in-nation RBs and to not let quinn ewers beat them deserves to have their entire coaching staff permanently banned from ever cocking again. this is insane QE homerism. insane. bijan and brooks and baxter run well because of QE’s mere presence? 

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    unbelievably delusional. 

    And this is where we have a serious disconnect. You are spouting opinion instead of watching film. Just about everyone on this thread can tell you that team after team tried their best to duplicate their version of the 3-3-5. I know you heard Sark say teams showed looks they never showed on film. That is why. You would know that with a simple rewatch.

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  12. 3 hours ago, troph said:

    This needs to be said over and over again. No really. Like twice a day. 

      What blows me away is that people here see every single running back we have running for 6-7 yards per carry and don't even think to look into why. Could it be that it's because they aren't the opposition's priority? No. Has to be that our 5th string RB is just THAT GOOD. No kudos shall be awarded to Quinn.

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  13. 9 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

    quinn didn’t play any worse tonight than he usually does. he’s had worse game this season. nothing revelatory happened tonight. our inconsistent qb with poor mechanics, poor pocket presence, and a big arm had another underwhelming performance where his play looked markedly worse than his stats. this is who he is. this is what he does. Sark and QE’s supporting cast have been helping him out all year, not the other way around. 

    This is why you need to just lurk here for the most part. What you are seeing is a defense determined to take away QE and the passing game. That's why we ran for over 300 yards today. But of course your eyes are only focused on Quinn amd what he is doing. You are seeing Tech protecting against the pass and allowing themselves to get gashed by all 90 rbs on our roster rather than let Quinn and them kill them through the air. 

  14. 32 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

    You probably can.

     

    you cannot, however find a 11-1 (so far season).

     

    Sarkisian has outcoached every Texas coach since 2009 Mack Brown. He’s proved me and a lot of other doubters wrong. I’ve never been so happy to be wrong. Well done, Coach Sark!

    Nah bro. Get in the fan portal. Heard aggy is looking for fans. 

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