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Posts posted by Thatguy
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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:
Can we stop talking about Arch last year as if it has any fucking relevance to the piece of shit product weāre seeing this year?
I just wanna know what they are talking about. Are they really talking about the sacrificial lambs we played leading up to playing real opponents as evidence?Ā
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1 minute ago, UTEE97 said:
When the OL is not blocking anyone, your throws are rushed. Arch looked amazing with much better OL play last year and he sucked when the OL didn't hold against UGA. It's hard to draw a conclusion on how good or bad Arch will be in college when you have virtually no OL. These big humans are confused and letting a free rusher or two by on every down. Fix the OL first because no other QB is going to light it up with this OL.
When did he look amazing last year? Seriously?Ā
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8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:
Whatās the downside of that offense? Or in other words why is Sark running offense A while Kiffin runs offense B given they both hung out under Saban?
People like what they like and believe what they believe in. Why did the pirate like the air raid? Who knows. I think Sark sticks with his offense because kids like to play in the pro style because they believe it will get them to the league. He has changed it in the past if you know his story.Ā
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10 minutes ago, Zeus said:
Damn I saw the stats and thought he came in and played ok
Ā really it was one prayer that got caught eh
Lol. Thats how averages work Zeus. Funny. When Arch threw a deep ball against MSU while getting hit we were told that it was something Ewers would or could never do. Then Ewers does it in the NFL and its a "prayer". Lol.Ā
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9 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:
Iām fascinated by the contrast in situations between Kiffin at Ole Miss and his QB, vs Sark and Arch. Ā
Every play, Kiffin right before the snap tells the QB where to go with the ball. If the defense doesnāt completely disguise its coverage, presumably the play has a high chance of success. Ole Miss is scoring points.Ā
However, to win a title your QB needs to be able to read coverages, because sooner or later you will run into well disguised defenses. I donāt know why Smart did so poorly at it yesterday.Ā
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4 and 5 wide make it difficult to disguise defenses. The defense has to get to their assignments with so many receivers on the field spread from sideline to sideline. Thats why offenses like that have such high completion percentages.Ā
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18 minutes ago, 52-80 said:
We are 6-0 with Quinn Ewers, 3 NFL offensive linemen, 1 NFL tight end, 1 NFL running back, 3 NFL wide receivers, and yall are still complaining he cannot hit the deep ball
Lol. So there are no future NFL linemen, receivers, TEs, or backs on this roster is what you are saying? We lost NFL guys in 22, 23, and 24. Each time we retooled with lesser players and each time we continued to win. We started the season with an underwhelming Ohio State that scored 14 points and a loss to a Florida team that just fired their coach. We haven't even gotten to the good teams yet but we are supposed to believe that there is no way Ewers could win behind this line. Completely silly. I want Arch to play but part of me wants another guy to come in just long enough so you can see that this line isnt nearly as bad as you guys think it is.Ā
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3 minutes ago, Celery Man said:
Feature request - ignore posters in specific threads
You can handle it big dawg.Ā
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37 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:
Thatās a bold statement when you throw in probably 7-8 more turnovers minimum on self sacks fumbles, just sacks with a lot of extra yards lost with him back there, definitely more int, with this line. Ā
A bold statement? Lol. You guys act like every week we are playing the 2000's Ravens defense. Then the very next week that same defense gets shredded by a much worse team than ours. You want teams to stop blitzing with reckless abandon? Get the ball out quickly. You know who does that? Quinn Ewers. We had a shitty line last year too. LG was an issue. Cam Williams was a turnstile at PB and only got drafted because he is a physical specimen. Most of Ewers sacks came in 3 games and even then he was a superior QB to what we are getting from 16. Last game you saw what a serious effort to get the ball out can do to help stimy a real good front 7 and then you act as though the guy who lived off of the quick game would somehow struggle against a worse Kentucky team than we played last year because of what Arch did. Come on bro.Ā
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9 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:
I'm sorry you can't look a little deeper into it.Ā
Arch is a part of the problem. But he would have to be elite for this offense to be functional and consistent. There is so much failure and lack of execution all over the offensive side of the ball, and two things can be true at once.Ā
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We had the same problems last year and we blamed the quarterback.Ā
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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
I understood.Ā Thought it was an interesting point and very possibly valid.Ā Every now and then, things line up for him and he executes a pretty great throw.
I know you did Twice, but a lot of lurkers may not so i chose to elaborate. And you are correct. When things align for him he shows his abilities.Ā
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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:
And instead of working off the successful game manager performance, Sark went back to hero ball and set up Arch to fail again, outside of a few crucial open throws he absolutely needs to complete.Ā
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What is it you think Sark did different from last game to this game?Ā
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30 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
I dont mean he doesn't know the plays at all. He can call the plays. I mean he doesn't know them so well that he can see them in his head during the game. He is calling the play and then walking to the line and seeing blank. He doesn't see a defensive player moving and say to himself "that means x or y is open". He cant recall what x or y was supposed to do until he sees them do it.Ā
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24 minutes ago, Thatguy said:
Bro. I honestly think this dude just doesn't know the plays bro. Lol. It seems obvious to me. Anything that dude can see or truly knows, like a deep ball, he is accurate as hell. He is accurate when its scramble drill time. He is only inaccurate when its in the confines of the offense. Anyone who played sports knew a guy who didnt have the plays down. Whether it was he didnt study or was plane just dumb. I honestly this Arch just doesn't know the plays and therefore plays with zero anticipation.Ā
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7 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:
Ewers was ass. Nothing changes that. However, Manning is a herpes crusted ass spewing diarrhea all over the field at a cost of $4M+ per year.
We are 6-0 with Ewers and yall are still complaining he cannot hit the deep ball.Ā
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2 minutes ago, Drew said:
Based on what? Ā
Ālook I know you we all think Sari has issues. But arch isnāt completing basic college level passes. Ā
ĀThatās not coaching or scheming guys open(sark has done that).Ā
Āmaybe Kane improved mechanicsā¦but a coach canāt make a guy a better processor. Not be late on throws. How he sees the field.
This is not a āthe coach is making arch worse because heās not calling the right playsā situation.Ā
Āhe didnāt evaluate the QB properly and allowed the OL and Weapons to become less the elite when he should have done better.Ā
Bro. I honestly think this dude just doesn't know the plays bro. Lol. It seems obvious to me. Anything that dude can see or truly knows, like a deep ball, he is accurate as hell. He is accurate when its scramble drill time. He is only inaccurate when its in the confines of the offense. Anyone who played sports knew a guy who didnt have the plays down. Whether it was he didnt study or was plane just dumb. I honestly this Arch just doesn't know the plays and therefore plays with zero anticipation.Ā
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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:
Being easier on Arch isn't saying that he's good. In fact, my post never said that he is. I mainly commented on what appeared to me to be a goal when the game started. Release fast no matter what and accuracy will follow. The former didn't last long and the latter never happened. I watched the game, and, while not nearly as astute as you, I could see what you do.Ā
I've got to remember that it's all or nothing around here. If you look at my posts from earlier in the season, and I don't know why anybody would, you will see that I was a ridiculed proponent of the notion that he was not performing at even nearly a competent level, and, if it were to continue, we should give someone else a try. I'm still there.
Performance is everything.
Here is the thing bro. I dont think its all that serious. I will post what I think it is in another post in a second.Ā
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1 minute ago, B00M said:
drag routes are off the table. Just brutal.ĀDidnāt Herman give Ehlinger almost nothing but curls in the middle of the field?Ā
Hard to remember that far back but I do remember his routes he threw to being high schoolish. You are right though. Certain routes need to be off the table. Maybe revisit it when his processing picks up but right now....nay
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2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:I'm easier on Arch this week than two weeks ago. I got the feeling that the goal for this game was that he throw at the moment he should. Period. Early, to my uneducated eyes, he was doing just that. Even if he missed on the throw, he was meeting the goal of timing. My guess is that the belief, if I'm anywhere near correct, is that his accuracy will come after mastering speed of release.
Of course, that disintegrated with deplorable play of the OL. It's hard not to revert back to bad habits under such duressĀ
Roma, the dude is late on everything. He is late on his reads. He is late on coming off his reads. He is late on his incompletions and he is late on his completions. He is just late. Everything is so slow, and a large part as to why the O-line looks the way it does. Blitzes and rushes that should never get home get there because he cannot get the ball out. For example, the play where he got sacked trying to throw to Livingstone coming across the formation, Parker was open on the break and Arch waiting until he was well past the center to throw it. If he throws it right away the rush never gets there and Parker is running for a 1st down. Its like he doesn't have the plays memorized and it just out there throwing to whatever he sees open like back yard football. There is zero pre snap recognition for what should be open. Its all just wait and see.Ā
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4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:
Thinking about it, I actually think it is the same problem we saw against Ohio State. Arch processes slow, but when he does see where to throw the ball he then rushes the throws. With screens, Arch knows where the ball is supposed to go, so he rushed the screen rather than let it develop.
I think you are 100% correct on your observation. But where do you go from here is the question?Ā
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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:
Yeah, it was clear Tre had a limited pitch count. I don't understand why we did just use Simon instead of not running. But I also don't understand why when we did run, we choose shit like that nonsense first play of OT. The team showed it could run outside zone and inside zone. Why not do that?Ā
They had the box loaded up pretty good so I think Sark was simply playing the numbers. I dont think he truly has let it sink in that he just can't run the offense the way he wants to. He has to dust off his ole Jake Locker playbook. Spread. Rudimentary route combos. Run and run some more even with the QB. That is what Ole Miss is doing. I think he's had so much success that he expects his players to simply adapt to him and not the other way around. Its clear Arch cannot run his offense. So let's find out what he can run.Ā
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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:
Arch sucks at throwing screens. He either floats it the receiver, giving the defense a ton of time to blow it up or throws it immediately before it can develop, usually rifling it somewhere that takes away all the receivers momentum.Ā We ran like 10 against OU and all but maybe 2 went for negative or short yardage.Ā
You are 100% correct and most of Surly just doesn't see it. Good screens require good timing. Don't look over there until its time. Accurate ball placement gives the runner aĀ chance to make someone miss. We seem to look and throw too soon or throw something requiring an adjustment and thereby killing momentum.Ā
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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:
A very large part of it is Arch's inability to consistently throw short passes. Another very large part of it is game plan. Outside zone feasted against OU. We didn't run it all against Kentucky. What the fuck are we trying to do on offense? Regardless, if Arch just hits the wide open hot reads, teams would have to stop blitzing.Ā
I said during the game it appeared they were intentionally not running Tre, IE a pitch count. Something is going on there and Sark is notorious for keeping a small circle with his skill guys. He needs to get these young guys going so they can help take the pressure of Tre. Have you noticed under Sark that every RB that has done well here we found by accident? When we had no choice. He needs to quit being stubborn with his skill guys. Find a use for Niblet who is great with the ball in his hands. Quit trying to force fucking Wingo to be the dude when 13 is better than him.Ā
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13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
You're a much more sophisticated observer than I.
I don't see this as being contradictory, I was just speaking in broad strokes about why Arch may have appeared to be the solution to our woes last year.
When Arch was in last year, he wasn't asked to do much.Ā If and when he was pressured, he gave the appearance of being more composed than QE. He ran pretty well.Ā He threw better deep balls and, therefore, as stated by gmr, everyone assumed he could throw the short/intermediate passes when called upon to do so.Ā That turned out to be a terrible assumption.Ā And, as you note, it seems he can't see the middle of the field.Ā He's a DC's dream.
Arch is most definitely a gamer in the fact that he is pretty elusive in the pocket. But a lot of WHY he is having to dodge bodies is his own fault. Every drop back ends the same way. Waiting too long to make a decision. Even on completions. For example there was a simple tight end out he threw and the TE got tackled as soon as he caught it at the LOS. However, if you watch it again he waits until the defender closes all the way down to throw it when he is open immediately. If he had thrown it right away the TE could've gotten their head around and stiff armed, but the late throw gives hom no time for that. People keep saying receivers arent open. They are open. On the break. But if you dont throw it on the break it allows for DBs to recover. The whole thing is frustrating to watch. Im just venting really.Ā
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4 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:
Good points. Even with all our troubles, if Arch throws that single slant to Mosley a couple feet lower as the blitz arrives, we might well win in regulation and feel a wee bit better about last night. Credit to Stoops for dialing up the pressure, but I'm sad we weren't able to diagnose and avoid the heat much better than we did.Ā
Yeah man, the best way to handle this dude is to spread the field and make diagnosing as easy as possible for this dude. 4 and 5 wide you cannot disguise coverage. Then give the dude easy routes to throw. I know Sark can do it because thats exactly what he did with Jake Locker. Arch is the 2.0 of that dude, big armed dude with questionable processing skills. He got that dude drafted first round.Ā
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You realize Miss St won two games last year right, and neither was a p4 win? They didn't win a conference game at all. If you watch the Georgia video you see exactly what you are seeing this year. Im not being obtuse. I just dont give a lot of weight to tomato cans.Ā