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  1. 18 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

    Things I think:

    fuck OU

    damn it feels good to beat them

    the entire team as a whole did not benefit from having NFL prostyle practices this offseason. They needed tons of reps and to be challenged. And somewhere in the third quarter I saw the switch be flipped for a lot of them. They were fighting hard and with heart. 
     

    I like Arch a lot. He has heart and he fights. And I loved Wisner saying Arch gave Wisner the game ball. 🏈 that’s cool af. The nepo baby shit gets old to hear and he will always hear it. But Arch isn’t a mental midget. I predict he will be great. He will be HIM. But he has yet to grow into all the stuff people have put on him since he began his quest as a QB. I believe he will. He’s got a good head on his shoulders and he fights. This was a tough learning curve and he will still be learning. 
     

    but I pray we ditch the prostyle offseason crap bc it put us in a self inflicted hole as a team we didn’t need to be in. I think we would have beaten Florida and maybe even Ohio State had we had contact practices and given our QBs 140 plays and had a spring game and no one will change my mind on this. It was a dumb Sark idea we didn’t need. We don’t have to dangle that shit to lure or keep recruits and this prostyle shit has failed everywhere it’s been tried in college. It kept the staff from properly evaluating everyone and had the players thinking they were miles ahead of where they actually were. 
     

    enjoy today. We gutted it out. And so did Arch and that says a lot about him. He didn’t fold. He kept fighting with his team. And the team showed the heart and spirit we all wanted to see. 

     

    Good stuff. A lot to build on. 

    Sark's pro style offense is a double edge sword. On one hand its a bit clunky and inefficient when you dont have studs everywhere like Saban Bama. That said its also why he gets the QBs he does. Kids wanna learn it so they can be ready for the next level. I dont think Arch comes here if its the air raid. 

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  2. 58 minutes ago, Derka said:

    well i thought it was funny. and accurate. 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

    Bro. Thats only accurate in your mind. Politics alone, he is the 180 of me. Keep trying but remember. We both have keyboards. The last time I took the gloves off you got banned and we all rather enjoy you being here so let's keep it about football. 

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  3. 22 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

    I hope he gets there and think he can but he hasn’t gotten there yet.

    My main point is that it’s wild to be advocating for another QB to take over right now.

    Yeah, thats not me. My point last year was we weren't as good around the QB as the Derkas of the world thought we were. Running game completely disappeared in big games. O-line with inexplicable whiffs consistently every game. This has been a problem every year. I wasn't saying Arch wouldn't be good. I was saying he wouldn't make those issues disappear. So my I told you so was that, because certain people told us that Arch standing tall in the pocket and mobility would totally make the systemic Oline issues go away. And you are right. He isnt there yet. I think its going to take a good bit of time to get there but he also needs some help from the coaches and Oline.n

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  4. 15 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

    I don’t disagree with that on the presnap side. I just think if he doesn’t make that presnap read, he’s never getting that throw. And he currently isn’t going to change his presnap 1st choice as he doesn’t get it yet.

    I truly think he will get there Hobbes. My personal opinion is that not being challenged in high school made his learning curve a lot steeper than it would be if he came from 5 or 6a ball. He had all day to look around in high school. 

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  5. 1 hour ago, Derka said:

    ThatGuy : Quinn Ewers :: Smithers : Mr.Burns

    ThatGuy : Arch Manning :: Jason Whitlock : Black people 

    Alright dude. If you wanna take the gloves off we can do that. You are closer to Whitlock than I ever will be. In size and personality. 

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  6. 1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

    No you don’t. 

    Again, I am not @Derka. I am not pissed at my quarterback for coming from a perceived higher station in life. This isn't fucking teams. I told you so's ended against OSU. Its winning time now. I just want him to play better, and in the long run he will. I've said that 100 times. Being critical of his play doesn't mean I want him to fail. Move on from that bullshit. 

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  7. 2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

    Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor.

    1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims.

    2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive.

    3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep.

    a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver. 

    b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above.

    c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession.

    d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter.

    e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.)

    f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series.

    g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here?

    @Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you.

     

    I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar.

    Oops. I thought that was for me and didnt see who you quoted . My bad. 

  8. 2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

    Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor.

    1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims.

    2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive.

    3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep.

    a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver. 

    b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above.

    c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession.

    d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter.

    e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.)

    f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series.

    g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here?

    @Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you.

     

    I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar.

    The play is the play Roma. Its not opinion. This isnt politics. He either saw it or he didnt. That said I have never wanted Arch benched. The argument was simply about what he shouldve done. Nothing more. Quit trying to make me Derka who disliked Quinn from season one on. I hope Arch kicks ass tomorrow. Im just pointing out what Im seeing. 

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  9. 44 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

    the 2 stop routes are 45-50 yards apart. They run outside opposite hashes. So yes, that is sideline to sideline if you are just reading the 2 stops to get the ball out quick. Neither are going for a 1st down and 1 is a likely pick 6 (to the right). Florida did not bring pressure, what the fuck are you talking about. Everything you just said is made up BS. 

     

    Again, you are either being willfully obtuse, or are just not even reading what I am saying. Imagine you are the QB. You motioned your receiver to the left and a man went with him. So now you know it's Cover 2 with man underneath or as us olds call it "man 2". As soon as you get that information in your head you should be working the pick play on the boundary. Why? Because the safety to that side is insignificant as he is too deep, and the pick play you have on is specifically designed to beat this EXACT coverage. That's how you play football. You don't "scan sideline to sideline". Sark put the motion in there to force them to declare man or zone so then his quarterback knows where his best chance of success is. Quit trying to make it like I'm doing something nefarious here. It's basic football. If he hits dude on the break, he only has to get two or 3 yards to get to the sticks with his man 5 yards off him. You take that chance. And I said a quarterback SHOULD expect pressure on 3rd and 9. I didn't say they brought a blitz. I will go back and find this same play in another game where the O-line holds up if it makes you feel better. Then when he doesn't see it there either what will you say? 

  10. 1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

    I give up. You are going to do you. You think a QB can go sideline to sideline in 2 seconds, because the OL got whipped so be it. It is fvcking stupid. You calling anyone disingenuous after some the shit you pu tout here is amazing.  Ill reference the screen you criticized him on and the Wisner dump off when he isnt even in the play.. 

    What are you talking about sideline to sideline? It's 3rd and nine. If I asked every football fan in the US what is going to happen on 3rd and nine they would say the defense is going to dial up some pressure. That said any QB in this situation should be thinking the same, and calculating opportunities to get the ball out quickly. If you know you have a quick hitting pick available use it. Again, this kid will make this throw next year. He just isn't seeing it currently, and yes the OL getting whipped made it worse. 

  11. 1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

    You mean the play you called a "man-beater". The 3 verts and 2 stops, which is not a "man beater" and a pretty terrible route combo on 3rd and 8. Arch is looking to the 3 WR side and the stop is blanketed. Arch has not even put his back foot down in this picture and you can see him looking to the right. 

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    You are probably talking about the backside WR with the DB standing flat-footed 4 yards off, but Arch would need to get to his 5th read there in under 2 seconds and I doubt it would be a 1st down anyway. Both stops are broken off prior to the sticks, which is straight out of the Greg Davis school of 3rd down offense. Neither will get a 1st down. This is not as bad as the cut-up you pissed on Arch for not hitting Wisner, when he is an obvious decoy and the play is a screen to Endries. You are going out of your way to be critical on these cut ups which is a complete 180 from your cut-ups last year. 

    Again with this shit. It's not a 5th fucking read. Where do you guys come off with this shit? You read where to go based on the coverage and the situation Codexx.You are 5 wide. You have trips to the field with 4 defenders. You have twins to the boundary with 3. The two verticals are going to take both safeties. So now what do you have left? A pick to your left and an out to your right. A QB should know where to go. The route is a quick hitter just short of the sticks with a pick. If the ball is there on time he can get the couple yards to get the first. You guys and your 5th read shit is getting infuriating. If you read every long route first, you would never get to any short route as they would all be complete by the time you cycled to them. This pick route is built into this play for a reason. It's expected to use it. 

     

    Again, if we were looking at this we would already be throwing it. Wingo is intentionally running at the defender responsible for the stick route. So if that defender wants to recover he has to get through Wingo. 

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    You can see it from here. Ball should be coming out and the DB would have to get through Wingo. This is well designed to get you a chance to pick up the play.

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    Again, the DB responsible for the stick route is 5 yards off the man with Wingo crossing his face. The two talking heads, who noticed what was available on the play prior, are being disingenuous here. Most experienced QBs would make this throw and we wouldn't even think twice about it. Every week. All around the country. There are 3rd down plays where two of the receivers are running deep routes and the QB takes the snap and immediately fires on the underneath route. You guys act like its asking a lot. It's called a pre-snap read, and it's not illegal or weird to do. 

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  12. 5 hours ago, Codaxx said:

     

    Scip goes off. @Thatguy lot of your cut ups are in here 

    This is why I dislike talking heads sometimes. The play at the 10:30 mark where they go 5 wide. He is criticizing fans for saying get rid of the football and telling us how if he threw it that it would get picked off. Then Ian is talking about how it would be a really long throw. Meanwhile they are on the left hash, and the two receivers to the boundary are going to run a pick. The outside receiver runs a stick route and the inside runs a corner route picking his man. The stick route is wide open if Arch just hits him on his break. Ball would be out before the rush got home. I know these guys see that. I don't believe talking heads are always honest. I have seen text messages of them getting scolded by coaches, university officials, and players families and told to clean up their "opinions" the next show. They need to keep their access. 

    Again, this does not take away from the fact that the offensive line is atrocious. Just be honest in your criticism. The very play before they were honest when they said Arch could've hit the pick across the middle, but that was on a play where Arch was already successful. It feels a lot like some calls were made from some officials to say back off our boy.  I honestly think Arch will eventually figure it out, but the 180 from all the usual suspects in a single game is a bit curious. Film Guy even made it a point to say he has no connections. OK buddy. You got the All 22 as soon as the game was over but no connections. 

  13. 2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

    Those are accurate descriptions of how Arch played in those games. He has been improving in the last couple of games, which was rarely the case for your boy, QE. Quinn played his best in his freshman year and then regressed pretty much every year. I rather have my QB go the opposite direction. Let's see how Arch does the rest of the year before we call him a bust. We gave QE 3 years, and he ended up going from a potential #1 pick to a 7th round pick. You think Arch will do worse?

    The NFL is hot opinions and measurables my dude. Lets remember Jamarcus Russell was the 1st pick overall and Tom GOAT Brady almost didn't make the league. Also, you think his best year was his freshman year? Ridiculous. Literally zero statistics back that up. Lol

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  14. 3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    Not me! I contend that the OL sucks and it isn't helping Arch but also Arch sucks and isn't helping his OL.

    You know what? The Oline sucks. The dude running the Oline sucks. The coach allowing the dude running the Oline to suck also sucks. The scout team responsible for simulating the opponent so the Oline can be prepared sucks. The grad assistant responsible for cutting up the tape for the Oline to study sucks. Arch will figure out a way to stop sucking here pretty soon. You wanna know why? His uncles aren't going to let him besmirch the family name. They were pretty hands off but they are going to be breaking down film with him the rest of the season I bet. I expect a miraculous turnaround. 

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  15. 1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

    National media seems to see that it's less an Arch issue than it is an OL and scheme issue, but Texas fans you do you.  (No, this in no way implies Arch has no culpability here.)

    National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks. 

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  16. 21 minutes ago, Derka said:

    lots of people in this thread have advocated for moving on from him, while others have already suggested we will have to find a portal qb to replace him, and there’s also a whole other thread on this forum demanding that arch be benched.

    if i had a nickel for every time someone on this forum, and on this specific subject (texas qb play) said, “nobody is saying (insert something that’s being said A LOT)” id have a shit ton of nickels. y’all love to say stuff/watch other people say stuff and then say, “no one is saying that.”

    I guess when I say no one, I mean the people participating in the discussion. Touche on that though. 

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