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3 minutes ago, Drew said:
Don’t go full Aggie.
the rest is funny.
Yeah. Let's not do that. We are above that here.
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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:So you thought he was bad, suggested what he should do to be better, he does that, and you still can't give him credit? Pussy.
I was super excited to see Arch check the ball down multiple times. Those check downs where he is trusting his guys to make a play even though the ball was short of the sticks is exactly what I was talking about on that Florida play.
So we started with off-script, big game hunter Arch. This game he added the Check down Charlie aspect. Now we just need to see the on time, system throws and we will be cooking. He was still missing tons of reads but it was obvious he made a HUGE effort to get the ball out and I loved it. Great show of growth. I would break out the film but I am in the middle of driving to NY from Texas.
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18 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:
Things I think:
fuck OU
damn it feels good to beat them
the entire team as a whole did not benefit from having NFL prostyle practices this offseason. They needed tons of reps and to be challenged. And somewhere in the third quarter I saw the switch be flipped for a lot of them. They were fighting hard and with heart.
I like Arch a lot. He has heart and he fights. And I loved Wisner saying Arch gave Wisner the game ball. 🏈 that’s cool af. The nepo baby shit gets old to hear and he will always hear it. But Arch isn’t a mental midget. I predict he will be great. He will be HIM. But he has yet to grow into all the stuff people have put on him since he began his quest as a QB. I believe he will. He’s got a good head on his shoulders and he fights. This was a tough learning curve and he will still be learning.
but I pray we ditch the prostyle offseason crap bc it put us in a self inflicted hole as a team we didn’t need to be in. I think we would have beaten Florida and maybe even Ohio State had we had contact practices and given our QBs 140 plays and had a spring game and no one will change my mind on this. It was a dumb Sark idea we didn’t need. We don’t have to dangle that shit to lure or keep recruits and this prostyle shit has failed everywhere it’s been tried in college. It kept the staff from properly evaluating everyone and had the players thinking they were miles ahead of where they actually were.
enjoy today. We gutted it out. And so did Arch and that says a lot about him. He didn’t fold. He kept fighting with his team. And the team showed the heart and spirit we all wanted to see.
Good stuff. A lot to build on.
Sark's pro style offense is a double edge sword. On one hand its a bit clunky and inefficient when you dont have studs everywhere like Saban Bama. That said its also why he gets the QBs he does. Kids wanna learn it so they can be ready for the next level. I dont think Arch comes here if its the air raid.
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When it seems inevitable that we play bad is when we usually rise to the occasion.
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58 minutes ago, Derka said:
well i thought it was funny. and accurate. 🤷🏼♂️
Bro. Thats only accurate in your mind. Politics alone, he is the 180 of me. Keep trying but remember. We both have keyboards. The last time I took the gloves off you got banned and we all rather enjoy you being here so let's keep it about football.
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54 minutes ago, Derka said:
lolol, yeah, that was my issue with quinn, his house in southlake.
You made more than a few comments about spoiled rich kid. Seemed like it.
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22 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
I hope he gets there and think he can but he hasn’t gotten there yet.
My main point is that it’s wild to be advocating for another QB to take over right now.
Yeah, thats not me. My point last year was we weren't as good around the QB as the Derkas of the world thought we were. Running game completely disappeared in big games. O-line with inexplicable whiffs consistently every game. This has been a problem every year. I wasn't saying Arch wouldn't be good. I was saying he wouldn't make those issues disappear. So my I told you so was that, because certain people told us that Arch standing tall in the pocket and mobility would totally make the systemic Oline issues go away. And you are right. He isnt there yet. I think its going to take a good bit of time to get there but he also needs some help from the coaches and Oline.n
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15 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:
I don’t disagree with that on the presnap side. I just think if he doesn’t make that presnap read, he’s never getting that throw. And he currently isn’t going to change his presnap 1st choice as he doesn’t get it yet.
I truly think he will get there Hobbes. My personal opinion is that not being challenged in high school made his learning curve a lot steeper than it would be if he came from 5 or 6a ball. He had all day to look around in high school.
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1 hour ago, Derka said:
ThatGuy : Quinn Ewers :: Smithers : Mr.Burns
ThatGuy : Arch Manning :: Jason Whitlock : Black people
Alright dude. If you wanna take the gloves off we can do that. You are closer to Whitlock than I ever will be. In size and personality.
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1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:
No you don’t.
Again, I am not @Derka. I am not pissed at my quarterback for coming from a perceived higher station in life. This isn't fucking teams. I told you so's ended against OSU. Its winning time now. I just want him to play better, and in the long run he will. I've said that 100 times. Being critical of his play doesn't mean I want him to fail. Move on from that bullshit.
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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:
Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor.
1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims.
2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive.
3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep.
a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver.
b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above.
c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession.
d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter.
e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.)
f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series.
g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here?
@Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you.
I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar.
Oops. I thought that was for me and didnt see who you quoted . My bad.
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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:
Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor.
1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims.
2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive.
3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep.
a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver.
b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above.
c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession.
d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter.
e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.)
f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series.
g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here?
@Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you.
I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar.
The play is the play Roma. Its not opinion. This isnt politics. He either saw it or he didnt. That said I have never wanted Arch benched. The argument was simply about what he shouldve done. Nothing more. Quit trying to make me Derka who disliked Quinn from season one on. I hope Arch kicks ass tomorrow. Im just pointing out what Im seeing.
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9 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:
Arch is looking to the other side of the field entirely dude
Yep. And what does that tell you? He isnt processing what he is seeing.
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On 10/8/2025 at 9:56 AM, RomaVicta said:I don't know shit, but I'm persuaded by @Thatguy.
Many times, I've heard game analysts start a replay comment with, "QB Jones sees right away that the defense is in such and such. He knows there's pretty good chance he can hit Receiver Hayes in that spot vacated by..."
One doesn't have to be an expert. So the passing concept on that play is called smash. A lot of coordinators run it with a hitch and a corner route like this. The idea behind this concept is that you are reading the outside corner. If he is up and pressing we are trying to attack the area in red. However, if the outside corner is protecting that area by giving cushion to the outside receiver we throws the stick route with the idea that if we put it on him immediately he can get to the sticks. This is what it looks like.
However, Sarkisian runs his like this. Instead of the inside receiver running a corner route, he runs a fade instead. The fade does two things. First, if the outside corner is playing up and the space behind him is vacated, the fade release gives the QB the opportunity to let it go immediately. The other thing it does is, if the outside corner is playing off, and the ball is thrown properly, all the receiver has to do is release inside after the catch and it naturally puts Wingo between him and his defender. This is how it looks below.
So now that we know that let's look at the play again. We start out in 3x1 with the single to the boundary.
Arch motions the man out of the backfield and a defender goes with him. Now I want you to pay attention to where that man came from. That is 6"2.5 244lb sophomore inside linebacker Aaron Chiles Jr, who should starts btw.
Now you've forced Florida to declare man coverage. Remember what we said the read was. If the corner is pressing you throw the fade. If the corner is playing off we throw the stop route. Look at the corner below. Playing off right? Now Arch has all the information he needs for what to do. PLUS, he has a 244lb linebacker on Tre Wisner. Look at him shaking. Ten yards off the ball. That is a QB's dream. But if you are listening to Codexx. This play is dead in the water.
Again, if this ball is out here that LB is grabbing at ankles by the time he recovers. He breaks his route down 3 yards from the sticks and ole buddy is still 6-7 yards off in coverage. One doesn't have to be an expert. One simply has to have common sense.
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44 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
the 2 stop routes are 45-50 yards apart. They run outside opposite hashes. So yes, that is sideline to sideline if you are just reading the 2 stops to get the ball out quick. Neither are going for a 1st down and 1 is a likely pick 6 (to the right). Florida did not bring pressure, what the fuck are you talking about. Everything you just said is made up BS.
Again, you are either being willfully obtuse, or are just not even reading what I am saying. Imagine you are the QB. You motioned your receiver to the left and a man went with him. So now you know it's Cover 2 with man underneath or as us olds call it "man 2". As soon as you get that information in your head you should be working the pick play on the boundary. Why? Because the safety to that side is insignificant as he is too deep, and the pick play you have on is specifically designed to beat this EXACT coverage. That's how you play football. You don't "scan sideline to sideline". Sark put the motion in there to force them to declare man or zone so then his quarterback knows where his best chance of success is. Quit trying to make it like I'm doing something nefarious here. It's basic football. If he hits dude on the break, he only has to get two or 3 yards to get to the sticks with his man 5 yards off him. You take that chance. And I said a quarterback SHOULD expect pressure on 3rd and 9. I didn't say they brought a blitz. I will go back and find this same play in another game where the O-line holds up if it makes you feel better. Then when he doesn't see it there either what will you say?
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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:
I give up. You are going to do you. You think a QB can go sideline to sideline in 2 seconds, because the OL got whipped so be it. It is fvcking stupid. You calling anyone disingenuous after some the shit you pu tout here is amazing. Ill reference the screen you criticized him on and the Wisner dump off when he isnt even in the play..
What are you talking about sideline to sideline? It's 3rd and nine. If I asked every football fan in the US what is going to happen on 3rd and nine they would say the defense is going to dial up some pressure. That said any QB in this situation should be thinking the same, and calculating opportunities to get the ball out quickly. If you know you have a quick hitting pick available use it. Again, this kid will make this throw next year. He just isn't seeing it currently, and yes the OL getting whipped made it worse.
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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:
You mean the play you called a "man-beater". The 3 verts and 2 stops, which is not a "man beater" and a pretty terrible route combo on 3rd and 8. Arch is looking to the 3 WR side and the stop is blanketed. Arch has not even put his back foot down in this picture and you can see him looking to the right.
You are probably talking about the backside WR with the DB standing flat-footed 4 yards off, but Arch would need to get to his 5th read there in under 2 seconds and I doubt it would be a 1st down anyway. Both stops are broken off prior to the sticks, which is straight out of the Greg Davis school of 3rd down offense. Neither will get a 1st down. This is not as bad as the cut-up you pissed on Arch for not hitting Wisner, when he is an obvious decoy and the play is a screen to Endries. You are going out of your way to be critical on these cut ups which is a complete 180 from your cut-ups last year.
Again with this shit. It's not a 5th fucking read. Where do you guys come off with this shit? You read where to go based on the coverage and the situation Codexx.You are 5 wide. You have trips to the field with 4 defenders. You have twins to the boundary with 3. The two verticals are going to take both safeties. So now what do you have left? A pick to your left and an out to your right. A QB should know where to go. The route is a quick hitter just short of the sticks with a pick. If the ball is there on time he can get the couple yards to get the first. You guys and your 5th read shit is getting infuriating. If you read every long route first, you would never get to any short route as they would all be complete by the time you cycled to them. This pick route is built into this play for a reason. It's expected to use it.
Again, if we were looking at this we would already be throwing it. Wingo is intentionally running at the defender responsible for the stick route. So if that defender wants to recover he has to get through Wingo.
You can see it from here. Ball should be coming out and the DB would have to get through Wingo. This is well designed to get you a chance to pick up the play.
Again, the DB responsible for the stick route is 5 yards off the man with Wingo crossing his face. The two talking heads, who noticed what was available on the play prior, are being disingenuous here. Most experienced QBs would make this throw and we wouldn't even think twice about it. Every week. All around the country. There are 3rd down plays where two of the receivers are running deep routes and the QB takes the snap and immediately fires on the underneath route. You guys act like its asking a lot. It's called a pre-snap read, and it's not illegal or weird to do.
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5 hours ago, Codaxx said:
This is why I dislike talking heads sometimes. The play at the 10:30 mark where they go 5 wide. He is criticizing fans for saying get rid of the football and telling us how if he threw it that it would get picked off. Then Ian is talking about how it would be a really long throw. Meanwhile they are on the left hash, and the two receivers to the boundary are going to run a pick. The outside receiver runs a stick route and the inside runs a corner route picking his man. The stick route is wide open if Arch just hits him on his break. Ball would be out before the rush got home. I know these guys see that. I don't believe talking heads are always honest. I have seen text messages of them getting scolded by coaches, university officials, and players families and told to clean up their "opinions" the next show. They need to keep their access.
Again, this does not take away from the fact that the offensive line is atrocious. Just be honest in your criticism. The very play before they were honest when they said Arch could've hit the pick across the middle, but that was on a play where Arch was already successful. It feels a lot like some calls were made from some officials to say back off our boy. I honestly think Arch will eventually figure it out, but the 180 from all the usual suspects in a single game is a bit curious. Film Guy even made it a point to say he has no connections. OK buddy. You got the All 22 as soon as the game was over but no connections.
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2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:
Those are accurate descriptions of how Arch played in those games. He has been improving in the last couple of games, which was rarely the case for your boy, QE. Quinn played his best in his freshman year and then regressed pretty much every year. I rather have my QB go the opposite direction. Let's see how Arch does the rest of the year before we call him a bust. We gave QE 3 years, and he ended up going from a potential #1 pick to a 7th round pick. You think Arch will do worse?
The NFL is hot opinions and measurables my dude. Lets remember Jamarcus Russell was the 1st pick overall and Tom GOAT Brady almost didn't make the league. Also, you think his best year was his freshman year? Ridiculous. Literally zero statistics back that up. Lol
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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
Not me! I contend that the OL sucks and it isn't helping Arch but also Arch sucks and isn't helping his OL.
You know what? The Oline sucks. The dude running the Oline sucks. The coach allowing the dude running the Oline to suck also sucks. The scout team responsible for simulating the opponent so the Oline can be prepared sucks. The grad assistant responsible for cutting up the tape for the Oline to study sucks. Arch will figure out a way to stop sucking here pretty soon. You wanna know why? His uncles aren't going to let him besmirch the family name. They were pretty hands off but they are going to be breaking down film with him the rest of the season I bet. I expect a miraculous turnaround.
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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:
National media seems to see that it's less an Arch issue than it is an OL and scheme issue, but Texas fans you do you. (No, this in no way implies Arch has no culpability here.)
National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks.
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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:My cut ups?
Anyway, I am going to move away from the Florida game for a bit because it looks like the lack of protection from that game is clouding up my point. Which was Arch isn't seeing the field. The play I was talking about was this one. We get to it from many different formation but essentially the slot guy runs a deep post and then they bring a dig underneath. Everyone keeps saying the problem is you are reading long to short and that forces you to hold the ball but that just isn't true. When you walk up to the line the coverage already kinda tells you what to look for. So for this play you are reading the safety's reaction, and it doesn't take that long to get it. If the safety starts backpedaling for the post we immediately throw the dig. If the safety stays flat we look for the post. Now here is the same play in the same game. Watch how each QB handles it.
This is Manning vs Georgia last year. If you are reading that safety you know immediately after the snap that the dig will be available.
Now here is Quinn in the same game vs the same defense running the same play. Quinn recognizes the safety bailing and hit the underneath dig accordingly.
Let's fast forward to this year vs Ohio State. We run the same play. At the snap they roll to what looks to be Cover 3 with the safety digging for depth. So you should know immediately to look for that dig. Especially with the field side corner squatting, and looking for work in the flat. If Manning hits that dig when his back foot hits his drop it would be perfect, but instead he stares down the post, hops forward another two steps, and then lets it go.
Now lastly this is Caldwell. It's hard to see the field because they cut to the penalty but you can see the slot runs off the safety. Caldwell gives it a quick peek. Hid cue tells him to look for the dig, and he throws it on the break.
The point is that just because there is a set structure to how you read plays, like long to short. It doesn't mean that's a hard rule or that we should be standing back there looking at the play for 3 or 4 seconds. Almost all plays have a deep option, but the read can be made to come off it really quickly like this play here. Arch just doesn't do that. This what I mean when I say he gets himself in trouble. We run this play every game and I have never seen him hit this dig.
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21 minutes ago, Derka said:
lots of people in this thread have advocated for moving on from him, while others have already suggested we will have to find a portal qb to replace him, and there’s also a whole other thread on this forum demanding that arch be benched.
if i had a nickel for every time someone on this forum, and on this specific subject (texas qb play) said, “nobody is saying (insert something that’s being said A LOT)” id have a shit ton of nickels. y’all love to say stuff/watch other people say stuff and then say, “no one is saying that.”
I guess when I say no one, I mean the people participating in the discussion. Touche on that though.


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I do. Funny that it was the same player that we were talking about too. Tre Wisner.