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Mouton was a bad-ass. The year before he was 2nd Team All-Big 12 and made the NCAA Tourney all-region team.
Ivey was the returning Big-12 Defensive PoY (by some publications)
James Thomas was a returning 2nd Team All Big12 / 1st Team All Defense player
Boddicker was a heavily contributing former McDonald’s All-American senior.
Buckman was another McDonald’s All-American coming off a 1st team Big12 Freshman season.
I don’t think making a Sweet 16 with a squad like that is overachieving. Any team that has two McDonalds All-Americans on it that returns 75% of their points and minutes should do pretty well.
Now Barnes should get credit for recruiting and retaining those players. And for their development. But not the “shocking” Sweet 16.
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Actually make that three NBA players. Forgot James Thomas played a bit in the NBA as well.
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I mean, that team had two NBA players on it in Ivey and PJ and a lot of other very highly rated players out of high school. I wouldn’t exactly say it was an unprecedented coaching job.
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Arterio Morris reminds me a ton of Avery Bradley. Moves the same and has similar athleticism. Also fully committed on the defensive end.
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(Hot Take Alert) I thought Golding screwed up leaving ACU for UTEP. Why not try to build your Alma mater into a central Texas Gonzaga and wait for a blue blood to come calling? ACU is a better school with like 3x the endowment of UTEP. Also closer proximity to recruits.
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On 11/6/2022 at 10:31 AM, Underdog said:
Is that Wacker injury the biggest what if in Texas basketball history? Wife (gf at the time) and I didn’t there until after the injury had happened. Gotta love the old HOT Coliseum with the tartan court on a rodeo floor.
I'm late to the party, but for me, the biggest what if is... What if PJ Tucker had returned for his senior year at Texas? He was only drafted in the middle of the 2nd round, so it isn't like he was a high draft pick.
If he returned, it would have made a huge difference since the 2006-2007 team was one of the youngest in NCAA history. He was a beast and previous Big-12 PoY. I would have loved seeing him play with Durant and Co. We could have moved Durant to the 3 and gone with:
- PG - Augustin
- SG - AJ Abrams
- SF - Kevin Durant
- PF - Damion James
- C - PJ Tucker
- Bench: Justin Mason, Connor Atchley, etc.
Then you could bring Mason off the bench and sub for any of Durant, James or Tucker. Man I would have enjoyed seeing that.
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Bishop was my favorite player on the team last year. I expect that will continue this year.
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I admit I was wrong about Westbrook. I thought he would merely be below average, not the worst player in the league (adjusted for his usage).
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3 hours ago, shadow_operative said:
anyone who averages 1.8 tourney wins per season over a decade at one school cannot be considered "a really really bad tourney coach" by anyone who's being objective. i'll bet the list of coaches who've ever pulled that off during any 10 year stretch is a who's who of CBB coaching royalty.
But a big part of that tournament success is because he is a really good regular season coach. If you go in as a 1 seed, you better win AT LEAST two games or you have really F'ed up. With two wins, you just beat at best a top~70 team (probably worse actually) and a top-35 team. Congrats, you must be a great tourney coach.
Rick's best 10-year period was 2002 - 2011. If you view his tournament success as achieving or failing vs. the expectations of his seed, you get the following:
- 2002 - 6 seed - 2 wins (over-achieved)
- 2003 - 1 seed - 4 wins (met expectation)
- 2004 - 3 seed - 2 wins (met expectation)
- 2005 - 8 seed - 0 wins (failed)
- 2006 - 2 seed - 3 wins (met expectation)
- 2007 - 4 seed - 1 win (failed)
- 2008 - 2 seed - 3 wins (met expectation)
- 2009 - 8 seed - 0 wins (failed)
- 2010 - 4 seed - 1 win (failed)
- 2011 - 11 seed - 0 wins (failed)
So you have one year where he beat expectations vs. 5 where he failed. That isn't a great tourney record IMO.
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I don't see people making excuses for Draymond. More just noting that Poole is an idiot.
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I grew up in a small town. Nobody attacks Christians like other Christians.
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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
Didja catch the part where most of the people calling out the bullshit are…..practicing Christians themselves?
That’s the part that the “ZOMG AMERICAN CHRISTIANS ARE THE MOST RELIGIOUSLY PERSECUTED PEOPLE EVER!” miss. Most of the people calling them out aren’t calling them out for actual faith positions. We’re calling them out for being cruel fucking assholes. And particularly, being such assholes and then having the nerve to put up “but I’m a Christian!” as a shield for being fucking assholes.Still nailed it!
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I opened this thread expecting it to be an assault on Christians… and it is!
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1 hour ago, Gohogs14 said:
KenPom has the Big 12 and SEC as the two best CBB conferences in 2022. So it's a step down but not a gigantic one.
Regardless of what it was like in the past, the Big 12 is about to get a lot weaker IMO. If you look at last year, the worst Big-12 team according to KenPom was West Virginia at #66. And 7 / 10 were in the top-35 nationally. There were zero games easy games. Was anyone remotely relaxed about playing WV or K-State, even at home? And you had to play ALL the extremely good teams twice.
Now, they add much easier games against #58 BYU, #101 Cincinnati and #104 UCF. And because they will probably be in divisions, you may only have to play Kansas, Baylor, Houston or Tech only once.
In the future SEC, it will be so much easier only having to face Kentucky or Tennessee or Arkansas once.
Pomeroy had the following rankings at the end of the 2022 Season:
Future Big 12 had:
- #2 Houston
- #3 Kansas
- #4 Baylor
- #7 Texas Tech
- #26 TCU
- #34 Oklahoma State
- #43 Iowa St.
- #58 BYU
- #61 K-State
- #66 West Virginia
- #101 Cincinnati
- #104 UCF
Future SEC had
- #6 Kentucky
- #9 Tennessee
- #12 Auburn
- #15 Texas
- #18 Arkansas
- #21 LSU
- #28 Alabama
- #33 Aggy
- #49 Mississippi State
- #59 Florida
- #64 Vanderbilt
- #99 South Carolina
- #108 Mississippi
- #137 Missouri
- #219 Georgia
Future Big 12 still looks a good bit better. Most of those teams have fans that are passionate about basketball. Not so much in the SEC.
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I admire the SEC in football. But the Big12 is a vastly better basketball conference in my opinion. This is a big downgrade for hoops.
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I think the Nets could win 60 games. (They could also win <40 games). But if they actually get it together and play team basketball, I think they have the most talented roster in the NBA. They have people who can create. They have tons of shooters. Imagine this lineup...
- PG - Kyrie
- SG - Seth Curry
- SF - Joe Harris
- PF - Durant
- C - Ben Simmons
There isn't a team who could trot out more great shooters and have the team make sense like this. Even though it is small ball, you still have two solid 6'10 players on the floor.
People mock Ben Simmons shooting, but 61% FT is still in the same range as Looney (60%), Wiggins (63%) and Draymond (66%). 61% is terrible for a point guard, but acceptable if he is playing the Draymond role.
Then off the bench they have TJ Warren, who could score 20 points on any given night. Nic Claxton should continue to improve and played decently last year. I'm sure he will start most of the time. Royce O'Neale and Markieff Morris (who I hate) should add toughness. Patty Mills can lead the 2nd unit and also brings shooting. Cam Thomas will also be improved.
This is also a team that could play great defense. Imagine this lineup: Ben Simmons, Royce O'Neal, Kevin Durant, Markieff Morris, Nic Claxon. That is a nasty defensive team.
Ultimately this is a team with 3 potential All-NBA players - all still close to their prime. I think they get past their issues and have a good season.
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6 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:
I see Muleshoe still hangs its hat on being home to Lee Horsley. They've had that sign up since the early 90s, at least.
They should probably replace that with Lincoln Riley.
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The answer is Aggy and it isn’t close.
Also hate TCU. Annoying rich kids are annoying.
I’m not a big ACU fan for a variety of reasons. Them beating us in the tourney was a low point in sports for me.
I like Tech. Always loved them putting it to Aggy. Have a bunch of Tech relatives and am from the panhandle. I also like the hoops rivalry with them that has developed. They HATE us for taking Beard. When we go to the SEC, I hope they find a good home.
I also like Rice and their antics.
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Anybody have a good source of links to live streams of NFL games? PM if so.
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The 2013 draft class was trash. In most drafts, you can get good role players or better with picks in the 20+ range. Here are some key players drafted 20+ from the 2014, 2015, 2016 classes:
- 2014 #41 - Nikola Jokic - 2x MVP
- 2014 #25 - Clint Capela - 2021 rebounding champ
- 2014 #39 - Jerami Grant - 21 pts, 4.4 reb last 2 years
- 2014 #46 - Jordan Clarkson - 2021 6th Man of Year
- 2014 #38 - Spencer Dinwiddie - 21 pts, 6.8 ast in 2020
- 2014 #27 - Bogdan Bogdanovic - All rookie, 152 starts
- 2014 #30 - Kyle Anderson - 248 career starts
- 2014 #33 - Joe Harris - 249 career starts
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- 2015 #32 - Montrezl Harrell - 2020 6th Man of Year
- 2015 #22 - Bobby Portis - 14.6 pts, 9.1 reb, 2021 Champ
- 2015 #46 - Norman Powell - 21 pts last year, 2019 Champ
- 2015 #40 - Josh Richardson - 306 starts
- 2015 #30 - Kevon Loony - 150 starts, 3x NBA Champ
- 2015 #37 - Richaun Holmes - 160 starts
- 2015 #31 - Cedi Osman - 181 starts
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- 2016 #27 - Pascal Siakam - 2X All-Star, NBA Champ
- 2016 #29 - DeJounte Murray - 1x All-Star, STL champ
- 2016 #36 - Malcolm Brogdon - 2017 RoY, 20 pts, 6 ast last 2 years
- 2016 #20 - Caris LeVert - 18.4 pts, 4.7 ast, 4.1 reb last 2 years
- 2016 #32 - Ivica Zubac - 227 starts
2017 adds: Jarrett Allen (22), Kyle Kuzma (27), OG Anunoby (23), Derrick White (29), Josh Hart (30),
Don't get me wrong, I still think Utah could have gotten better picks for Mitchell, but they will have so much volume that at least a few of them should hit. They also should be able to combine picks and trade up.
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Agree 100%. Mitchell to the Knicks would have been great for Utah and terrible for the Knicks.
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I love this trade for Cleveland. They were in no man’s land of being an 8 seed in the playoffs for the near future. Now they have a legit shot to win it all. This team is like some of those Pistons title teams. No GREAT players (yet) but just about everyone could be really good for their position. The pieces fit, they have good contracts and they are young.
Utah would have been better off trading him somewhere where the pics could be good. Somewhere Mitchell would be “the man” and the team would still suck. Like Sacramento or NYC. Or a team with aging stars like the Nets. Cleveland has too much talent for those pics to amount to much.
Something like Ben Simmons and a ton of pics would have been better for Utah. Then revive Simmons and trade him too. Then wait for the Nets to implode at some point.
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If you turn 2 McDonalds All Americans into role players does that make you a great coach?