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  1. 26 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

    the atheist was involved in church?

    Yes. 

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    Classmates described Pagourtzis as quiet, an avid video game player who routinely wore a black trench coat and black boots to class. He had played football on the school’s junior varsity squad and danced as part of a church group. Those who know him expressed shock he might be involved in the killings.

     

  2. 41 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

    My personal take is that as more and more people are becoming secular, and the world is rapidly homogenizing culture into a globalized one, people are losing their connection to the old societal foundations that they used to use as a basis for shared morals, ethics, and laws. I think that’s really damaging to the psyche of people. In the past societies had shared cultures, religions, and traditions to tie themselves to which informed their theories of what’s acceptable or not. Today we’re being told all of our foundations are wrong and racist, or sexist, outdated, backwards, etcetera etcetera etcetera. We’ve become unmoored and so people don’t know where to turn or find meaning in their lives, so they’ve either become nihilists or epicureans (constantly chasing pleasures as the key to happiness). And boy does modern society really help if you’re one of those two things. It’s very unhealthy. It’s one of the reasons I turned to Stoicism a while back. Think about it, what morals or virtues do you impart on people if you have none of your own? In the past you had philosophy or religion to build your ethics, morals, and laws around, both of which are increasingly shrinking in global importance. Now we have a cultural crisis where people’s upbringing is either non existent, being abolished, or being overwritten by other people with agendas or through sheer evolution. It’s no wonder you have people looking for an identity by joining gangs, or by following unbridled emotion shooting up a classroom because he was bullied or had unrequited feelings for a girl. It’s one thing to know the laws as they are written on paper, quite another thing to fundamentally believe it’s wrong to murder another human being.

    The Santa Fe shooter seemed pretty involved in his church.

  3. Grandma and grandpa, and I'm from Texas. However not one of my 4 grandparents could speak english, and my spanish is not amazing so I always had a hard time communicating with them. 

    The "meemaw, pawpaw, nana" shit sounds so weird when spoken by someone over the age of 10. Never understood it. 

  4. 1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

    My entry is an easy one to remember, because it was a completely shitty thing to do.  I went to baseball camp at UC Riverside when I was maybe in 7th or 8th grade.  We were having breakfast in the cafeteria.  I was at that age where I did stupid shit for attention.  So this blind kid is walking by, and I intentionally put a chair in his path to potentially trip him up.  A teacher/coach sees me do this and freaks out on me.  I almost got sent home.  Someone gave the kid a heads up before he tripped on it.  Damn, I still feel shitty about that almost 40 yrs later.

    There's a new leader in clubhouse. Jesus, dude. 

  5. I was madly in love with a girl in high school for almost 3 years. She was so pretty and was always nice to me. Junior year I finally got enough courage to ask her out. She said sorry but no thanks and that she really liked me as a friend, I just wasn’t her romantic type. I believe I said something like “well you’re a fucking whore anyway” and ran off almost in tears. 

    I told anyone that would listen we had hooked up and that she was a stuck up bitch so they should stay away, but that she was great if they just wanted sex. I thought I had to do damage control since she’d tell all her friends how pathetic I was.

    It turned out she told no one about the encounter. Makes what I did all that much more shitty.

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  6. 47 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

    Muzzle energy isnt always the best measure of potential damage to any given target. The fact that basic physics says that the same amount of energy must be transferred back into the shooter (unless he has the gun braces against something) should kinda tell you that it's more about how and how much of that energy is transferred into the target than the amount generated.

    Username checks out. 

  7. 5 minutes ago, Mack Tripper said:

    Saw an interview of a student who said he wasn't friends with the shooter but somewhat knew him and that the shooter wasn't just bullied by other students, but also by some of the teachers and coaches. Sad fucking situation all around. 

    I’d be careful about student survivor interviews, especially when they didn’t personally know the shooter. Lots of misinformation was spread after Columbine this way.

  8. 4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    No no, what I am saying is that the "American Dream=Bullshit" is documented to affect minority kids to a strong degree.  But, it isn't just minority kids that are affected by it.  It can't be.  Anyone from a poverty-stricken environment, a broken home, any of the various things that make the "Dream" much more difficult-to-impossible to achieve I think can be affected by it.  Hell, it's a species of it that got Trump elected.

    I don’t understand this point either. Nik Cruz came from a fucked up background but was financially set up very well. The Columbine shooters, Virginia tech guy, aurora shooter and others came from middle or upper class backgrounds and from 2-parent homes.

  9. 2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    I think it's even more subtle than bullying.  The online environment is making people into some weird species of severe introverts.  They lose their sense of reality and community.  Otherwise "normal" kids, maybe with manageable adolescent mental health issues, are losing their ability to socialize and function with their peers and with adults in a real-world fashion and setting.  It's having ramifications all over the place.

     

    Another factor that I see cropping up is frustration with the "American dream."  Minority kids that are raised to believe in it become severely disappointed and disaffected to learn that it isn't quite going to work out the way it was sold, while those who weren't, dont.  While I am sure that can seem like a royal bill of goods to a black kid, it isn't just black kids that may become disaffected by it.

    You’d think most of these mass shootings would be carried out by minority kids then, when in fact it’s the opposite. 

  10. Just now, Murfdogg21 said:

    If some smart politicians can create a way to do stronger background checks and prevent nutjobs and minors from getting certain weapons while convincing us that there is not and will not be a gun owner registry, I would be all ears. 

    You get put on all sorts of registries for all sorts of things starting from birth. I have no idea why people think gun ownership should be exempt. 

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  11. Just now, BigHorn'13 said:

    Serious question to those who want to ban "high capacity" mags and even guns--where do they go and how are they to be collected? I heard awhile back (super reliable, I know) that there are more guns in the public than there are people. And no one has just one magazine. 

    Just wondering what that process would look like and how you'd ensure everything is collected. 

    Collect nothing, just ban new ones from being made and sold. They’ll be cheap and easy to find on the black market immediately. How cheap and easy will they be to get in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?

  12. 4 minutes ago, Mole said:

    I appreciate the use of "data" as a plural, but in this case, it doesn't read very well.

    Assuming that these types of random shootings have increased (not necessarily school shootings as a whole), what has changed culturally for Millenials and the new generation? Even if we're on the whole less violent, this type of violence is a sign of something broken. The Columbine kids were born in the early 80s, so what is different about GenX high school life and Millenial and post-Millenial high school life?  Data on the number of in-school fights? Fewer opportunities to resolve frustrations physically? Something about the digital age? Impulse control? The way we raise and teach boys? Something else?

    I'm perfectly happy with common sense gun laws that can decrease the body count, but something deeper is going on that goes beyond "mental health."

    I graduated high school less than 10 years ago. I don’t know how it was “back in the day” but I know in my middle/high school fights were severely punished. If you were involved in a fight, no matter how or why, you’d be handcuffed by campus police and marched to the office, and then issued a citation. With a court date and everything. The fine for it could be over $200 sometimes. You’d be suspended as well, either sentenced to ISS or alternative school depending on the circumstance. So if you were bullied in school or had problems with someone, you could either fight and deal with all the legal trouble, tell a teacher and be labeled a snitch, or just do nothing and internalize all your anger and frustration. Zero tolerance.

  13. Was waiting for a “but Chicago” to come up. Never mind that NY & LA, 2 larger cities also with very high numbers of poor people & people of color, and also run by liberals, don’t have nearly the murder problem Chicago does. 

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  14. 8 minutes ago, VivaNaranja said:

    There has never been a rule banning helmets or blacks from baseball

    Don’t be obtuse, we’re clearly talking about the MLB only. Many leagues had written or unwritten rules that prohibited the signing of black players, including the MLB. 

  15. 2 minutes ago, txhorns said:

    You're arguing against civil rights and player/fan safety, those have nothing to do with the rules of the game. 

    Thanks for actually responding.

    Still, the larger point is that I see no way getting rid of the DH makes the game better. Look at OPS or almost any other batting stat by position, you’ll notice one position lags outrageously behind the others. I don’t see how giving pitchers more at bats makes the game any better. It’ll also decrease the quality of pitching (the most specialized of the defensive positions, it’s dumb to act like it’s no different from 2B or right field) because pitchers will have to devote more time to hitting training.

  16. So no one cares to refute my point? If we should go back to the DH to stay true to the origins of the game, why be half-ass about going that direction? Why not go all out with the original rules? 

  17. 10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    The DH is a terrible rule partially because it's half-assed. Either stick to the design of the game (if you want to hit then you have to play the field) or else go full platoon. Stop with the stupid single position platoon shit. As I've said multiple times, I hate the DH. The fact that players and managers figured out that one position added so much more defensive value that their offensive contribution was negligible is just the way the strategy works out. But if it's really about having the best in the world do what they do then platoon EVERY position. Some players will be awesome enough to both hit and play the field still. But everywhere else just let the best fielders field and the best hitters hit if that's what you want.

    Pretty sure the original "design of the game" included no people of color being allowed to play, no helmets or protective netting, etc. Why shouldn't the game go back to all those things too, if it's authenticity you're seeking? No one wants to see a fucking .150 hitting pitcher go up there and flail at pitches every day. 

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