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Posts posted by Hornlover
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1 minute ago, closetohumping said:
Butler made the title game two years in a row. You can make it from nearly anywhere.
Yeah. Who would have ever guessed Indianapolis would be a hotbed for basketball?
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Probably folly at this point, but I looked at every single coach that has been to the Sweet 16 over the last 5 tournaments. Of the 46 coaches, 31 are not under consideration (won't leave, too scummy, sucks, too old, etc.). That leaves 15 coaches that could be possible. Some of them may also be too slimy, too shitty, or not leaving their current position for Texas, but it's worth at least kicking the tires on them.
Otherwise, we are either grabbing a coach that hasn't been to the Sweet 16 recently (like Ritchie McKay or Joe Golding) or doesn't coach in college (Royal Ivey).
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40 minutes ago, 6th Street said:
There are way better proven options than Ivey like Beilein, Sampson, Musselman, Moser, and Pitino. Why get cute and roll the dice?
Too Old, Cheater, Lateral Move, Uproven Small School, Scumbag.
Your list ain't necessarily foolproof.
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2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/N441R-1617015557-1-0-151
Ask and you shall receive.
It's a Cessna twin-turboprop. That's gotta be the Tech bigwigs coming to Austin, begging him to come back to Lubbock.
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9 hours ago, cafe society said:
Are. You. Fucking. High? Since when did we reinvent the basketball wheel? Just win, Baby. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Indiana and Arizona all LOVE the guy. But we're smarter than they are about basketball. Holy fucking heaven. Just pay the man. He is a proven winner. Only Surly could work itself into knots over this. He is a much more proven commodity than Sark. Worry about Sark. Pay Chris Beard. Sweet Jesus in the morning!
So, we've reached out to the athletic directors from all of the above schools and have heard that they all want to hire this guy to be their coach. And these guys are infallible, so they'd never make a bad coaching hire?
Or you're just guessing that their loudest message board fans think he'd be a great fit at their schools because he's young and has reached a final four before?
Kentucky, Indiana, Arizona have all been in the coaching weeds recently because they picked wrong. Duke has been great since Coach K got hired, but who knows what happens when he's done. Kansas and Carolina hit it out of the park on their last hires - Dean to Roy and Roy to Self, but Indiana has been shitty since they fired Knight and once great teams like UCLA and Arkansas have been wandering the desert for forever.
There's just no guarantee that a coaching hire is going to work out, even if you are a blue blood basketball school.
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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:
how about bonuses ($K):
league title: 250
league tournament: 250
r64 win: 250
s16 win: 500
e8 win: 750
f4 semi win: 1000
nc: 2500
Do you think Beard's agent is Master P? Why in the hell would the guy making over $5million per year, with all of the leverage, agree to an incentive-laden contract? If he wants to be paid $8 million, he'll just demand 8. It serves no purpose to agree to 5 million with 3 million in incentives.
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Has Sarkisian used his BYU connections to get Mark Pope an interview yet?
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https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
If you want to try to decide who we can money-whip, here you go. Jay Wright makes over $6million/yr, making him an unlikely choice.
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The Magic finally traded Vucevic, but they picked up Wendell Carter in return. Not sure if that's a good sign for Mo.
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Some other names to consider. Some probably are terrible ideas, and most probably wouldn't leave their current positions:
Billy Donovan
Greg McDermott
Thad Matta
Mark Turgeon
Jay Wright
Brad Stevens
Larry Krystkowiak
Ed Cooley
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3 hours ago, 6th Street said:
There are multiple HoF coaches waiting for the call - Pitino, Beilein, and Sampson. Just pick one and start winning again.
Why not include Larry Brown while you're at it?
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13 hours ago, markstanco said:14 hours ago, maninblack said:I don't know about the availability of guys like Beard, Musselman, Altman, etc. but if Royal Ivey will say yes you announce him ASAP.
Their availability is zero right now. Ivey would obviously say yes today. Which is a dumb hire. He needs to sit on the bench at a college for a few years.
How's that working out for Juwan Howard? Oh, he's got Michigan as #1 seed and into the Sweet 16?
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14 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:
Already a dozen viable options should be ready to go. You actually increase that the available candidates the sooner you announce the decision.
False. You get your list, and decide who you want to interview. Then you call all of their agents and say "If the Texas job opened up tomorrow, would Beard/Altman/Musselman/Moser/Few/etc. be interested?"
No agent or coach would be dumb enough to say "Give me a ring AFTER you fire Shaka, and then we'll talk."
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Perhaps CDC has his eyes on Altman or Moser or Few or whomever, but they aren't leaving until after the tournament? Or maybe they don't leave if they win it all?
If that's the case, you wait until you have all of the data to fire Shaka. Otherwise, if your guy wins it all and doesn't leave, and nobody else is available, then you risk firing Shaka with no good options to replace him. Better to just keep him and wait until next year to see if there's a better option.
Most likely, any realistic options that we are interested in hiring are still coaching.
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Some thoughts from KenPom, himself, on Preseason Rankings:
https://kenpom.com/blog/the-preseason-ap-poll-is-great/
Spoiler[T]he collection of 70 or so ballots, those biases are cancelled out, leaving a useful signal. The end result is that it provides a better picture of the state of college hoops before the season begins than any single person or algorithm could produce. It’s informed groupthink at its finest.
https://kenpom.com/blog/preseason-ratings-now-with-transfers/
SpoilerOver the seven seasons I’ve produced preseason ratings, my thinking on the purpose of them has evolved from trying to project end of season ratings to trying to predict how good a team is right now.
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3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:
"a masterful propaganda piece" he says, one breath after admitting that he actually has no clue what he's talking about. one post after touting the human polls and shitting on the computers. okie silly dilly dokie o.
here's everything you need to know about the human polls: over a 5 week period between january-february Texas went 4-6 in a ten game stretch, and human polls never dropped us below 14th. that sound like a reliable ranking to you? what am i saying, of course it does. i'm talking to a guy who feels comfortable describing the Tennessee roster and its strengths and weaknesses right before turning around and saying that he doesn't actually know anything about Tennessee's roster.
Reading comprehension, how does it work? I wasn't actually describing Tennessee's roster or it's strength and weaknesses. I used YOUR player descriptions, but just swapped around the traits of "inexperienced/potential lottery pick" and "experienced/lacking talent", to point out how ridiculous your roster assessments were.
And as far as KenPom preseason rankings, it's good for about 50% correct in the top 10. Not very good if you're trying to evaluate a coach's success on that metric. He had Duke as a preseason #3 this year. http://makingthemadness.com/how-predictive-are-kenpoms-preseason-rankings/
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13 minutes ago, Js1 said:
Cuban wanted to keep Miller.
All of the speculation I've read says the opposite.
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1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:
LMAO. i gotta say, this is a new one. quoting the *human polls* from the preseason as legitimate while shitting on the computer rankings as garbage. that is ducking hilarious. and if you actually want to make the case that Tennessee has a better roster than Texas then by all means please do so. hopefully i will have stopped laughing at that point and can read what you have to say.
The computers look at data from the games. Humans look at the teams and make a guess. Since there are 0 games for the computers to look at, it makes their preseason predictions pretty worthless. The humans are pretty terrible due to bias and an inability to properly evaluate 100+ teams, but that doesn't make the preseason KenPom predictions worthy of anything.
As far as the roster comparisons, I haven't watched 1 second of Tennessee this year. I know nothing about their roster.
I was just pointing out how you touted Texas' players having positive traits - describing them as young and talented or old and experienced, while shifting those same attributes on the Vols' players but with a negative outlook, bemoaning the young as inexperienced and the old as lacking in talent.
It really was a masterful propaganda piece.
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On 3/16/2021 at 12:31 PM, Sandman said:
But you don't get boosters to drop 10s of millions for a buyout and a new contract just to hire some up and comer.
I imagine 'boosters' largely means Mark Cuban. If he doesn't have at least 10 NBA head coaches on his speed dial, he for sure knows all of their agents and knows which ones are likely to listen to an IU offer.
I'm not aware of any other college basketball program in the country that has a billionaire superfan who's as much of a basketball insider as Cuban. Should make the job search interesting.
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1 minute ago, Wally Fairway said:
speaking of taint lickers, how'd those Bruins do the last couple of weeks?
can't wait for tonight, and the first of 7 wins in a row for Sparty (except they forget how to score about every 3 or 4 games)Go Green!!!
Let's hope they forget how to score in their 3rd game of the tourney
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1 hour ago, Js1 said:
I've already changed some picks based on the OU and GT news.
Did you go from "OU sucks and I'm picking them to lose" to "OU really sucks and I'm picking them to lose by a lot" ?
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1 minute ago, Js1 said:
It's in the first post.
Great, now he's going to have to go back and re-read the entire thread just to find the password.
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22 hours ago, shadow_operative said:
well i would hope that Shaka's best team ever (SL: three guards who've been here a combined 12 years plus two potential lottery picks) managed to be better than Rick's third best team (SL: two teenagers and a sophomore at guard plus two offensively challenged fourth/fifth year seniors).
of course even with a clearly inferior roster and a bad offense Tennessee still finished five spots ahead of Texas in KenPom, finishing two spots ahead of where the Vols started the year, as opposed to Texas who started the year at #9 and ended it #26. but great post!
Or another way to put it:
Preseason Rankings:
AP: Tenn 12 , Texas 19
Coaches: Tenn 14, Texas 22
Current Rankings:
AP: Texas 9, Tenn (unranked)
Coaches: Texas 9, Tenn (unranked)
Texas - (SL: A teenager and a sophomore big, plus three offensively challenged fourth/fifth year senior guards) vs Tenn (Two Bigs who've been there 9 plus years plus three potential lottery pick guards. )
It's kind of a disingenuous comparison, and your bias is clearly showing. Using computer preseason rankings (KenPom or otherwise) as any kind of a legitimate metric is just straight garbage.
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1 hour ago, Snacks said:
The pizza hut in my hood does a good job, believe jt or not... We order from there often.
But if you're in Indy, you don't order pizza hut.. You order Pizza King.
Username...
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Mo Bamba
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https://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2021/3/30/22359060/orlando-magic-mo-bamba-wendell-carter-jr-nikola-vucevic-steve-clifford
Balancing the Magic’s logjam at center with Wendell Carter Jr. and Mo Bamba
Even after trading Nikola Vucevic, the Magic still have to juggle playing time at center
Mo Bamba spent years playing backup center as Nikola Vucevic unexpectedly emerged into an All-Star.
When Vooch was somewhat unexpectedly traded, the Magic acquired another young center who Bamba will now have to compete with for playing time.
It was the newly-acquired Wendell Carter Jr. who was on the court during crunch time during the Magic’s 96-93 loss to the Lakers on Sunday, despite what had been a decent-enough performance from Bamba, at least in the eyes of some and also in the box score. Steve Clifford evaluates and prioritizes it differently, as he should, and that clearly will continue during what Bamba himself described as “more of a learning environment” within the organization following the trades.
“I’m not gonna come up here and make stuff up,” Clifford told reporters about the Magic’s performance after Sunday’s game. “We played hard, we didn’t play smart. We made a ton of mistakes and it’s hard to win on the road doing that. One thing we’re gonna do all the way through this now, we’re not going to make stuff up, that’s what bad franchises do, especially at the end of the year. We’re not doing that. Guys played good, I’ll say they played good. Guys are learning, it wasn’t that great.”
Tough love can be a good thing for a young, developing team like the Magic. Clifford is going to have a challenging juggling act over the final 26 games of the season, and of all the balls in the air, the most intriguing one will be how he balances the playing time of Carter, Bamba, and to a lesser degree, Khem Birch (a free-agent-to-be currently holding down a starting job that will probably soon belong to Carter).
The 21-year-old Carter is the more polished player than the 22-year-old Bamba at this stage, perhaps in all areas other than three-point shooting and shot blocking. Bamba has struggled with team defense, and Clifford doesn’t tolerate players being out of position or committing unnecessary fouls. That’s probably the reason that Clifford elected to play Carter down the stretch (and more minutes overall) than Bamba in what was Carter’s first game with the team (unless Bamba is still on a minutes restriction of some kind).
“Cliff doesn’t play mistake guys,” Bamba told reporters after practice on Monday. “He’s going to hold you accountable for being in the right spots, being in the right spot at the right time. We’re not really using this trade or this new look that we’re going with as an excuse to not win. We want to go out there and be competitive to the very end while also getting better.”
Bamba was asked what kind of opportunity the trades have created for him.
“There’s the elephant in the room,” Bamba said. “Playing behind an All-Star in Vooch, your minutes are limited. Now I think I get an opportunity to go out there, and not necessarily improve, but just go out there and just grow and get well acclimated with just how the game goes.”
That was my issues with Bamba not closing the game on Sunday, a night when he played well enough to earn the opportunity, and when Carter had little to no time to even glance at the playbook. The best way for Bamba to “grow and get well acclimated” is to be on the court, even if that means learning the hard way while making mistakes and being pushed around a little and playing through the challenges of development in the NBA.
Bamba sitting on the bench watching the new guy play over him on Day 1 seems more counterproductive to Bamba’s development than him potentially making a poor rotation or costly foul late in the fourth would have been. The watch-and-learn strategy with Bamba on the bench hasn’t worked out so well to this point. It’s time for some hands-on experience, particularly during meaningful stretches of the game.
There was no better time to do that than on Sunday night. It’s now on Clifford to find those minutes for both Carter and Bamba as the Magic find out which will be the center to invest in down the line. Doing so could include some big lineups with Carter at the four and Bamba at the five as experimentation begins with this young Magic team.
“We have a lot of guys who are younger than me,” Bamba said. “I’m not the youngest dude in the locker room anymore, I’m probably in like the middle of the pack now at 22, which is crazy. But gaining a guy like Otto and gaining a guy like Wendell, we still have that size at the 4, 3 and 5. And it should be really interesting to see. I’m eager to get out there and play alongside of Wendell.”
Bamba said he first met Carter when the two were teammates at a Jim Couch basketball event as kids.
“Wendell was the same exact size he is now,” Bamba said with a laugh. “At age 14. But that was the first time I played with him, I think we were on the same team. And then we’ve just been with each other throughout the whole entire high school process. We both had Duke in our final two or three schools. Decided to go to Texas but we’ve known each other for a very long time. We’ve played against and with each other. And I think this is going to be a very good thing for our organization.”
It certainly will be if one of them emerges as the Orlando Magic’s starting center of the future. Because even after trading their franchise center, the Magic somehow still have a logjam at the position, one that will be easier to sort out next season when Birch has presumably moved on. So we’ll see how Clifford manages their playing time on Tuesday against the Clippers and balances development while remaining committed to giving the team their best chance to win.
“We want to win and we want to get better,” Bamba said. “Its a different kind of environment because it’s more of a learning environment. But Cliff is big on, he’s still big on what he’s always been preaching, and I think that’s going to help us elevate to get to where we all want to go.”