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GW Hayduke

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  1. Article from DOJ monthly immigration newsletter in 2010: Based on admittedly incomplete data, ICE estimates that its three ATD programs cost significantly less than regular detention and have high rates of success, as measured by the percentage of participants who appear for all their hearings. Of the three programs, ISAP is the most restrictive and expensive, while EM is the least. ICE reports that approximately 87 percent of ISAP participants, 96 percent of ESR participants, and 93 percent of EM participants appear for their removal hearings. However, all three programs have a limited capacity: ISAP has a daily capacity for 6,000 aliens, ESR for 7,000, and EM for 5,000.14 As of September 1, 2009, there were 19,160 aliens in ATD programs. https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/eoir/legacy/2010/06/11/vol4no4.pdf
  2. It must have been a less-absurd idea when you tried it before. Considering the amount of trolling on this site, the policing and enforcement would have to be intense. True. Some folks don’t even know they are trolling and think it is just normal interent etiquette. Soon it becomes a giant snowball with everyone trolling everyone, which seems to be the case here sometimes
  3. Imo there’s another option though I’m not sure it is possible on this site. Realize both sides troll. Establish a non-trolling etiquette. Enforce that etiquette.
  4. And punching an obvious troll in the face through a ban, suspension, etc. is appropriate. What happens is that once trolling becomes the norm, everyone does it. A solution to trolling-type behavior is to have “etiquette” on discourse and consequences for not following.
  5. It’s not about suppressing voices. Its not about a “safe space.” It’s about methods of discourse. It boils down to either having a space of productive dialogue that addresses trolling or a space with trolling and everyone in their extreme positions. If you asked a manager at a Russian troll farm which would be counter to the interests of the US, I know what they would say. It might be funny sometimes to jointly mock an obvious troll that is saying stupid stuff. But after a while, it isn’t fun to mock the disabled kid in the corner.
  6. Trolls aren’t good for a discussion board community. The result of having them is that every thread evolves into extreme positions. There is very little positive or productive discussions. It becomes only about winning. That is the current state of this site. If this site doesn’t want that, the trolls should be banned imo and their methods frowned upon and discouraged.
  7. Honest question. Do we think paid trolls have infiltrated this board? I know I run into them often on reddit. But it is really difficult to determine whether a troll is a paid troll by Russia or someone else or if it is just a right-wing troll that picks up the same talking points.
  8. Crisis actors! Have they gotten to that one yet. The kids in cages are crisis actors. Nothing to see here
  9. Guys, Ragnarok is just misunderstood. He has a very strong passion for women and their rights! That is why he doesn’t like Muslims! It definitely is not because he is xenophobic! Ragnarok has been very consistent with women’s rights. He was especially vocal against having a confessed sexual predator in the White House. He is strong pro-choice! He was disgusted by Trump’s sexualization of his daughter and his bullying of women on twitter. Like I said, he hates Muslims because he respects women, not because he is xenophobic.
  10. Your comments make no sense. Lets look at your first paragraph of this comment. "1000% the problem." What is the problem? Where is the verb? What are you saying? "Open borders or nothing." There is no verb here. What are you saying? "You absolve the parent completely for putting their child in that position in the first place." This is a strawman. No one is absolving the parent completely of anything. You are attempting to argue against a position that no one is taking. A strawman is a sign of weakness. "You absolve Mexico and the countries they passed through as well." This is another strawman. Your entire first paragraph had absolutely no meaning and made no sense.
  11. The outrage is justified. Just like the outrage over the realization we were torturing prisoners. Torturing and separating families are counter to American values. This is basic stuff. IMO it takes a degree of xenophobia or nativism driven by propaganda that allows people to view immigrants as less-than-human to get to the point where separating families is OK or justified.
  12. I don't know what they would get back. I'm not sure how it is relevant though. There are federal income taxes; however, there are also state and local taxes.
  13. Unskilled laborers make an income and pay taxes. For a full understanding of the issue, see the CBO report I linked above.
  14. Mexico has a large amount of unskilled labor so they don't need additional unskilled laborers. The US has a need for unskilled workers. Lets look at our current legal immigration process. See the below link and the left side of the chart. https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf If you are unskilled and have no family in the US, your only option is illegal immigration. Since the US has a demand for unskilled workers and that demand should be met to support our industries and economy, we have an obligation to ensure we provide a humane pathway for unskilled workers to enter and contribute to our economy.
  15. These points are accurate. These issues are complicated. Combine that with a sizable amount of our population's inability to understand complicated issues, folks with varying degrees of nativism and xenophobia, and organized propaganda taking advantage of all this, we get the alt-right, fox news, trumpkins, and online right-wing trolls spouting what they spout and unable to converse in any meaningful way. CATO: "The criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were well below those of native-born Americans. Moreover, the conviction and arrest rates for illegal immigrants were lower than those for native-born Americans." https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant#full CBO: "Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf
  16. LOL why would anyone ever need to think "through all the nuances of the 1950's tax policy" before developing the conclusion to the tax the rich more? Is it that there isn't a need and that you are just spouting shit? Also, try to stop spouting shit. It is lame.
  17. And how do you know that he did not consider that when he formulated his opinion, uh argument?
  18. That wasn't an argument. It was an opinion. Lets pretend it was an argument, do you have a rationale for why it would be "one of the dumbest arguments going?"
  19. I agree with your use of "trumpkin." It is a very important distinction. Their anti-immigrant positions are not held by conservatives or traditional republicans. See the CATO institute, the Bushes, McCain, McConnell, Romney, and Ryan. The core conservative actors all support immigration. They know how valuable immigration is to our industries and economy. The alt-right, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and Steve Miller wing of the party are leading the charge against immigrant for the trumpkins. Racism applies. Xenophobia and nativism may be more accurate. The MS-13 stories, stories of crimes by "illegals," and false and overblown economic impact stories are all obvious propaganda trying to tap into nativism. Fox news is full of this. Humans evolved into families and tribes so these urges can be very strong. Unfortunately, the biggest counter to nativism and xenophobia are education, life experiences with new people, and traveling to new places. This is why the republican party is susceptible.
  20. BoTh SIDeS aRe tHe SaMe is a meme for a reason. It’s a meme because only one side uses it, which gives it ironic humor. It’s a meme because it requires the use of fallacies, both whataboutism and false equivalency.
  21. Wrong. The right doesn’t troll because the left are dumb. That makes no sense. The right trolls because they are dishonest, lack values, and are consistently in weak positions. If they were honest and had values, the right would modify their positions, rather than having to troll
  22. Benghazi! Right wing trolling is such a joke. Anyone know why trolling is prevalent on one side?
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