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  1. 1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

     


    It was definitely a weak one if one at all. And I love that we got an OU fan on here lecturing us on it when it’s a penalty because it was bitch Roy’s patented move.

     

    My discussion is based on my interest in interpreting and discussing rules, nothing to do with Sooner fandom or players who played there a decade and a half ago.

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  2. 1 minute ago, Dennis Taylor said:

    You can't 'tackle' someone who doesn't have the ball ergo you can't horsecollar tackle someone who doesn't have the ball. So it couldn't be a horsecollar, which is what he called and is documented.  Maybe he meant roughing the passer, but that wasn't what he said. Words matter

    The rulebook seems to contemplate that you can, hence the talk of potential passers and the ball leaving the pocket. That said, the rule could stand to be clearer, and I am curious if the official stance is that you can always pull any player down by the horsecollar as long as they don't have the ball. That doesn't seem right.

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  3. They didn't call roughing, because the defender was going for the tackle as the ball was being thrown. They called horsecollar, which was horse shit.

    Why is it horseshit, given the quote from the rule that the pocket exception no longer exists when the ball is no longer in the pocket?
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  4. don't know.  you are the psychic and physics expert on the thread.


    Oh JFC. Doesn’t require being a psychic. The rule is phrased that way for roughing. How is roughing ever thrown if not by psychics? How did they know it was obvious?

    As to the physics, NFL QBs can throw in the 50-60 mph range. Let’s say Grier threw this pass at 35 mph. That means it goes 51 feet per second so it was outside the tackle box less than a quarter second after leaving his hand. The still shot has the ball just off his fingers and the Texas player hasn’t touched Grier yet. Hence by the time he horsecollared him, the ball was outside the tackle box, making it a penalty to horsecollar the QB.
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  5. You're wrong. It's OK to be wrong.
    Are you a Big 12 official? Bob Bowlsby?


    Not wrong when I’m using and quoting the rules. I admitted happily I was wrong about how the penalty was announced.

    The rule says you can’t pull the QB down if it’s obvious the ball has been thrown. That’s debatable on this play I agree.

    It also says you can’t horsecollar the QB if the ball has left the tackle box. How long do you think a ball thrown by Grier takes to go 12 feet?
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  6. There are tons of roughing penalties where contact is made around the time the QB throws but then the defender pulls or throws him down and gets flagged. Also like I posted the tackle box disappeared when he threw so the horse collar exception no longer existed. The ref did announce “after the quarterback passed” so maybe that’s what he was referencing.

    I linked the video above.

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  7. 1 minute ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

    There's also no way that should've been called roughing the passer either.  He clearly has him right after the ball is released. 

    You don't think he knew Grier threw?  Roughing the passer includes throwing the QB down when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. The rule also does not include the term egregiously late.

  8. 9 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

    it wasn't late and the dude was getting blocked while doing it.  there is a reason they specifically allow the exception for in the pocket/between the tackles.  It was a missed call.  end of story.  its fine.  they suck at officiating and one day for us it won't matter.

    Dude was off the block well before he grabbed Grier man.

    http://imgur.com/E7SkuHK

    Also directly from the rule:  "Note that the tackle box disintegrates when the ball leaves it."

  9. I think the hit was late, and was "overly impactful" if that makes sense. Like if you get to the QB right as he throws it won't get flagged but if you do that, then pick him up and drive him through the ground it will. I think they should have just said "roughing the passer" or "unnecessary roughness" depending on how horsecollar applies when you aren't a ball carrier.  If I'm a DB, and I want a WR out of the way and he has his back to me, can I grab him by the collar and pull him down? 

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  10. 5 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

    I am pretty sure you’re wrong. 

    On which part?  

    1) The penalty called was "roughing the passer".  He made the personal foul gesture, then the roughing the passer gesture. He then said horsecollar.

    2) The rule quoted above clearly describes that it doesn't apply to a ballcarrier in the pocket.

    3) Grier was not a ball carrier at the time of the penalty.

    Right?

    EDIT to add: OK, definitely I am wrong on part 1.  Video is 

     around the 44:00 mark.

     

    That said, Grier is not a ball carrier, and the rule says the exception is for ball carriers in the pocket. Clearly they shouldn't have called it if Grier still had the ball.

  11. The horsecaller exception didn't apply, because Grier was no longer a ball carrier. They called roughing the passer, and the "color" they added was that the horse collar bring down after he threw was why they called it. It was sloppily explained. But the exception you list above has to do with there's no such call as horsecollar on a sack, it doesn't mean it can't be related to roughing, since the QB was no longer a "ball carrier."

  12. 11 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

    Icing the kicker is asinine. Who started that shit anyway?

    Back in the day, coaches would "ice" the kicker by calling a timeout before a game-tying or game-winning kick to "make them think about it some more."  Then, in the early 2000s IIRC, there was some NFL game where a team called timeout right before a kick, the "practice" kick went in, and then the "real" kick missed.

    This led to the standard practice of the timeout right before the snap, which is completely idiotic and counterproductive, but coaches do it anyway, because coaches by and large are fucking superstitious idiots clueless about what actually wins football games.

  13. 12 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

    Jesus if we had gone for it and not made it you same people bitching about not going for it would be raising hell about the decision to go for it.

    The amount of people who base decisions based solely on the results of those decisions are maddening. 

    The bottom line is in the vast majority of situations for the vast majority of teams, going for it on 4th and 3 or less when in the opponent's territory is almost always the play to maximize your chance of winning the football game.

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  14. A man after my own heart.
    Years back, I got pissed at a player for scoring a TD, and was shouted down by my brethren.
    I seemed to be the only one who understood that scoring, and thereby giving the ball back to them, was the only scenario in which we could potentially lose.
    It's a game of strategy, after all.


    There are times where this is appropriate. Todd Gurley kneeling last week was one. Here, Texas couldn’t have run the clock out by downing it at the 1. Sacrificing a TD to go up 7 to go up 3 instead is ridiculous, if your opponent is going to get the ball either way.
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  15. 3 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

    Halloween 3 is by far the best.  

    It actually is good!  Dramatically underrated because of the "Where the fuck is Michael Myers" aspect. If it was just a random movie called Season of the Witch or Silver Shamrock, I bet it would be a cult classic.

  16. 17 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

    interesting.  i didn't really like the zombie movies at all (particularly the 2nd one). 

    is resurrection the one where they did the reality show thing at the myers house?  if so, yeah that one was ridiculously bad.

    I haven't rewatched the Zombie ones since I saw them in the theater, so those rankings are tentative. I remember thinking they were ambitious and interesting, but clearly flawed.

    Yes on Resurrection.

  17. 32 minutes ago, Dewey said:

    Not sure I follow the love for Riley, he's done what exactly? As far as I know, Stoops handed him everything, before that he was an oc somewhere.

    I posted above the dramatic increase in OU's offensive rankings since hiring Riley as OC in 2015. 

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  18. 2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

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    .. they did a better job with the initial cooper/gaga moment on stage.  somehow she knew how to sing that song, even the parts they hadn't sung in the parking lot the night before. 

     

    I thought that was explainable, both by the fact that there certainly can be moments we don't see, and also by the "two musicians playing off each other and knowing where to go" angle.

  19. Saw last night, thought it was totally fantastic. Loved the music, and thought Cooper, Gaga, and Elliott all just crushed it. The scene with Cooper and Elliott in the truck, damn. Not ashamed to admit got a bit dusty then, and dusty at the end. The initial Cooper/Gaga song on stage was a feels moment too to me.

  20. I rewatched 1, 2, 4, 5, producer's cut of 6, and H20 before watching 2018.

    4 and 5 have some very good moments, but also some dreck-ish sequences. Danielle Harris is excellent. The mask in 4 and 5 puts me on tilt. The one in 4 has a dumb look, and a scene where it is totally different, then the one in 5 is totally different from 4, despite supposedly being the same mask (at least 4 isn't supposed to be the same one from 1 and 2). The end of 4 is awesome, and it sucks that they kind of abandoned it with 5. 

    That was my first time watching the producer's cut of 6, and it's considerably better than the theatrical.

    I actually really liked 2018 and thought it was a good homage to the original. My rankings:

    1. Halloween
    2. Halloween (2018)
    3. Halloween H20
    4. Halloween II
    5. Halloween (2007)
    6. Halloween II (2009)
    7. Halloween 4
    8. Halloween 6 - producer's cut
    9. Halloween 5
    10. Halloween 6 - theatrical cut.

    I'm a big Halloween mark, but have never seen Resurrection, though the reviews are hilariously awful.

  21. 19 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    Obviously I don't follow the Browns at all, so is there an article out there that explains why they didn't fire him in the offseason after historically bad results but then chose to fire him in the middle of this season?  Clearly he deserved to be fired but seems odd to have brought him back at all to then fire him after the Browns have at least been semi-competitive so far.

    Petty bickering and in-fighting between Jackson and OC Haley.

  22. 1 minute ago, Lurch said:

     


    First hand was $150 to win $850 and I figured he had more than 15% bluffs and weaker pairs.

     

    Does he though? He raised flop into 5 opponents, bets turn into 2 opponents, bets river at a size designed to invite calling. I just don't see him showing up with KQ or T9 one time in 7 there.

    Like I said, definitely understand why you called, and I think I often call in-game myself because fuck that guy really, but I think we lose money on the call.

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  23. 9 minutes ago, Barry_McCokiner said:

    Love your analysis.  Years of playing or did you study?

    Both for sure. I haven't done as much of the software study, but lots of reading and posting and thinking about hands, and pretty good amount of playing. When I post about hands here, it's to have discussions and help myself think about hands rather than HERE'S HOW THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYED.

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