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  1. Tonight’s show was awesome, IMO. I’ve only seen Isbell twice, so I don’t have many other shows to compare it to, but thought it was great. John Moreland opened, whim I had never heard of, and was blown away. Thought he was amazing. 


    I had never seen Moreland but love his music. He was just phenomenal live and the crowd was very appreciative. You could hear a pin drop instead of the usual yammering yambags and he got a standing O. Isbell was great also. Prob the best top to bottom show I've ever been to.
  2. 49 minutes ago, disgustipated said:

    I really appreciate you taking the time.  The A3o hand is not something I would normally play especially in EP, and I agree check calling pre 13 is passive.  That said, we were 7 handed and I was wanting a multi-way pot with this holding (a point of further discussion) and felt a raise (more appropriate line preflop LAG play) with action behind me would get me heads up.  And yet, I check min raised OTF to isolate,  mostly because of the spade flush draw perhaps a too aggressive line (for post flop LAG).  I tried playing some of the hands more passive post flop this session and had much higher variance. 

    The KK hand was the first one I played after we consolidated tables. I had $400 in my stack.  Highest card as I recall was a 9 and there were two hearts. So I jammed 375 into a 225 pot.

    In the A7 hand, I was saying he had put 70 into the pot.  It was after the KK hand so I had between 5 and 6 hundred in my stack.  I agree, there were all sort of things wrong with the way I played that hand.  It highlights exactly what you said there are very few hands that can call and he happened to have it and a draw to win. 

    As I said I broke quite my guidelines this session and the poker gods gave me the right opponents at the right time.  

     

    I definitely don't think we want to take A3o multiway.  We want hands that can flop huge hands for multiway.  So suited aces, suited connectors, and small pairs are the best for that.  Depending on the table, and your image, it can be reasonable to raise A3 or fold it.  I would fold at tables with lots of 3-betting or people who are sticky postflop. I would raise it at a table of people who will call with hands like K9 pre and then just checkfold if they don't hit the flop hard.

    The flop play doesn't help you against the flush draw because for sure the bettor isn't folding spades for 30 more and likely the other players won't fold a spade draw for 60 here if they paid 13 pre to see if they could get a flush draw. That's why I'm saying we should either call here and evaluate the turn, or make a bigger raise that might price out the draws. I would generally raise here, trying to get money from an ace and to get flush draws to incorrectly call, and knowing that hands like TT-KK probably aren't putting any more money in anyway unless they blast a disaster set on us on the turn.  I would raise to 100 or so.

    Why did you jam the turn? I would have checked, or bet 70 in your shoes, and 100 in mine.

    On the KK hand, did you have the Kh?  If so, I would have bet 115 on the flop, and jammed every turn except a non-heart A.  If no, I would have bet 140 on the flop, jammed every blank turn, jammed a heart if only one flop caller, check-evaluate ace or heart if both call flop.

    Those plays would have us jamming 210 into 455 if one caller in example one, and 185 into 480 on the other.  This allows people to talk themselves into calling off worse hands than ours in chunks instead of having to call off 325 cold, especially when you showed big strength pre.  What would you have done with AKss on this hand?

    32 minutes ago, disgustipated said:

    Yes that perfectly sums what he was saying.  And definitely something I am struggling with.  It's led to me jamming a lot of turns.   I am over compensating for randomness, the suck, re-suck when its about maximizing winnings not just winning pots. 

    correction:  jammed 325 into 225.

    Almost every poker player struggles with maximizing winning money instead of winning pots. Ask a limit player why they didn't raise AA when everyone limped to them in the BB:  "Eh, they were just all gonna call anyway."  Right. So you aren't increasing your chances of winning the pot.  But you are putting in 10% of the money and have around 35% of the equity, so you win $3.50 for every $1 going into the pot, soooooooo make the pot bigger.

  3. 10 hours ago, disgustipated said:

    yea.  no illusions there.  shit im playing 1/3 NL just trying to build a roll and get back into the swing.  That said I am not 100% certain, but reason it stuck with me is I seem to recall him mentioning cash games in this context, versus tournament.  He was saying it used to be that you didn't see as many hands going to showdown and pot bets were more prevalent.  Perhaps I am over compensating for randomness, but in general I am happy to take a pot down and move onto the next hand. 

    And to expound on this, I think Antonio was saying that generally players are betting smaller, not bigger, and not trying to "take pots down".  If we can take down a $40 pot 100% of the time, or have a 70% chance of winning a $200 pot, which is better?

    It's the same concept as the guys who all of a sudden pop up and open for 10-20x the BB and after the hand show JJ and say "only way to play 'em!" or some other nonsense. You are just winning the blinds, except for the times someone has QQ+ and you are playing your stack as a 4 to 1 underdog.

  4. 12 hours ago, disgustipated said:

    Thanks sooner,  I need to check myself on these things.  I had KK on the first hand.  Obviously if I run into a set obviously im in trouble.  But with two caller behind,  first to act and flush draw on the board, I just wanted to take it down.  Stacks behind me were comparable to mine. 

    And even the A7, I raised turn to take it down, but there was a flush draw there too.  So he had about 70 in and 130 back when I jammed.  Obviously I didn't put him and the other 7 and got lucky twice that he did and missed his flush and boat draws.  

    The 4 flush was more a blocking bet than value bet.  If he comes over the top there is nothing I can call.  How I even got a call I don't know.   Which is why I am trying to figure out his  thought process.

    I'd like to hear thoughts on jamming the turn.  I think Im doing it too much and missing value, but that said during the WSOP when Antonio Esfandiari was commentating he spoke about taking pots down versus higher EV betting lines (but not necessarily slow playing).   

    I was thinking you were playing 1/2 not 1/3 which makes the math a touch different.  To really analyze hands, you need to know stack sizes, positions, and history.  

    Let's start with the A3o hand. You said you were playing "LAG", but limp-calling is playing loose-passive, not loose-aggressive. You also said it was "$13" and also a "3x" raise.  Whether the limpers were before or after you also does matter. Limping A3o is pretty gross, and I'm not going to do it unless I'm on the button against multiple limpers, or completing the SB. Raising or folding are both superior.  Once it gets raised to $13, just fold. We are playing a multi-way pot, out of position, with a weak hand that doesn't generally flop well.

    On the flop, were you the first player to act after the bet of $30 or had the other two players already folded? What were you trying to accomplish with this bet?  I would either just call or raise larger.

    On the turn, when the player is fiddling with his chips acting like he wants to shove, you are correct in that that is usually a tell that the player doesn't love his hand and wants you to check. So if we think he wants us to check, why are we jamming 2x pot with a boat on a board that has a flush draw?  We would LOVE him to be in there with KQss for example, but we are making him fold. If we bet a reasonable amount, and he makes the flush on the river, we get it all. But instead, now we only get called if he has us beat (he can have AA or 99 based on action while from his perspective we cannot), or he happens to have AK or AQ and decides to call it off, which luckily happened here.

    On the KK hand, how deep were all of you and what exactly was the flop?  You said you tripled a 5x bet, and got two calls, so at 1/3 that is $75 going into the pot 3 ways, so that may make a flop shove the good and correct play.  But generally we need to be looking at what play makes us the most money, not focusing on "taking it down".  If we are making bets that fold out everything we beat, and get called by everything that beats us, those are bad bets to make.

    On the A7 hand, you said it was a 5 way limped pot ($15), the person bet 2/3 pot on flop and you called ($35), then bet 2/3 on turn and you jammed.  So there was about $55 in the pot when you jammed with top trips.  If we had more than, say, $70, to start the turn, this is torching money here (again luckily we have completely coolered the opponent, but they will be folding most hands we beat).  Also if we only had 70 to start the turn, we weren't deep enough to call either pre or flop, so something somewhere is amiss.

    All this is intended for constructive criticism, as it seemed you wanted feedback.  I love discussing, thinking about, and talking through poker hands, both for fun, and because it helps me also. If you are just wanting to post venting stories, let me know, and I'll chime out.

  5. So you limpcalled A3o, then check minraised on A93 then jammed for twice pot when you hit gin? Don't like any of it.

    What were you doing on the other hands where you overbet jammed after 3-betting and overbet jammed the A7 hand? Or "valuebetting" broadway on 4 flush?

  6. 23 minutes ago, disgustipated said:

    in this hand Villain was EP.  middle aged asian looking guy.  Other two callers folded to the min re-raise, so its heads up. You saw him play a few hands.

    1. In BB, he 3x re-raised 5BB raise preflop, got two callers and jammed flop with 2 hearts.

    2. Felted a guy on a cooler case 7 with Ah7h in position vs 10c7c.  4 limpers preflop. board came Qx,8c,7c.  EP led 2/3, villain smoothed. Turn 7d. EP led 2/3, villain jammed. 

    3. Was Heads up with villain who flopped broadway.  Called $25 value bet on the river with top pair after runner runner made 4 to the flush that missed you.

    Hand 3 doesn't tell us much about him.  What was his hand?  Did he raise or limp pre?  What was the flop and turn action?  How much was he betting the $25 into on the river?  He also had no flush?

    It sounds like he does overbet jam a good amount, as it sounds like the jam in hand 2 was for way more than the pot if it was just limped pre, and the pot in hand 1 was 45 BB going to the flop, so unless he started hand with $120 or less, he's overbet jamming again.

    Villain limped before you made it $13?  In your OP, it sounded like you opened and he flatted your open.  And the positions of the other players matters, because it makes a difference if he made it $60 with both players active behind him, or if both players had already folded when he made it $60, etc.  Villain sounds active and spewy enough that I'm just not gonna fold this to him.  

  7. 2 hours ago, disgustipated said:

    The hand above is an instafold right?  Or is it reasonable to think villian is trying to create fold equity on a semi bluff flush draw?

    We need more information about villain, what is villain's position along with the other two callers, and any info on previous hands involving villain.

    As po points out, his value range is prettttay narrow, and I think it is largely to entirely A9. I'm presuming he doesn't have AK because he didn't 3bet preflop.  I'm presuming he isn't open ripping 2x pot with a boat, since he would love you to draw to the flush. Is he minraising with just a naked 3 on the flop? If he isn't, and my above presumptions are correct, he can only have A9 that beats you, and there are only 6 combos of that available, and only one combo of suited A9 in case he is folding A9o to a 6.5x open (can only have Ah9h).

    It definitely isn't an instafold unless he's been sitting there for 2 hours folding and is wearing a WWII veteran hat, which would defeat both of my above presumptions. 

    I would likely call here, since it doesn't take many flush draw combos for him to rip to make this a call. The fact that the As isn't on the board means he can be ripping AsXs, rather than just random bare flush draws, which is more likely.  

  8. I've been playing a bit (and dealing a bit) at The Lodge on I-35 in Round Rock.  I have 7 straight winning cash sessions there, and finished 3rd-1st-15th (out of 118, paid 12, lost big pot QQ to 98hh all in pre late) -2nd in my last 4 tourneys there.

  9.  

    1 hour ago, po elvis said:

    why? these card houses are great. you probably play in casinos despite the rake.

    For cash games, card houses are better than casinos almost surely.  For higher buyin tourneys, card house is probably better. For low buyin tourneys, card houses are basically impossible to beat the rake to actually win longterm (same with casinos to be fair).

    It is funny the amount of people who are like "no way I'm paying $9/hr!" and instead play an underground game that rakes $10/pot.

    1 hour ago, disgustipated said:

    Point taken,  I was a little sloppy there.  Meant to say he 3x raised my flop bet.   

    Yeah, sometimes people use it to mean that, and sometimes on the flop, they would think a raise of a bet is a 3bet, since preflop, people don't always think of blinds as a bet.  

    Tough spot for sure.  When you pot it, and he raises 3x, that's pretty strong.  Lots of low limit players will overplay hands like A9 or TT on this board, and also sometimes will make a play because they "put you on AK."  Critical low limit live skill is deciding which players overplay hands, and which players might raise because of what they think you have.  Obviously lots of 1/2 players don't think about what you have other than the obvious "uh oh the 3rd heart hit oh man he must have the flush why do they always hit the flush on me" type of stuff.

  10. On 8/20/2018 at 10:21 AM, pearlandhorn said:

    I went to Mint Poker in Webster (Houston suburb) on Saturday night to play in their $100 NL tournament that started at 7.  Got there about 6:15 and bought in for $300 at a $1/3 table.  Plenty of people at my table had well over $2000 on their stack.  I'm in BB about 4th hand and look down at AdAh.  Early position raise to $25 with 3 callers.  I raise in BB to $110 and everybody folds (Lurch - sizing on this?  Could I have gone bigger?).  Damn.

    Left up about $50 after about an hour and went over to the tournament.  First level - action folds to me (we were at the 100/200 blind level) and I raised to 800 with AdAh on the button.  BB calls (after the hand, I have no idea why he doesn't 3-bet me) K74ddd flop.  He bets 1400, I raise to 5k and he snap shoves, I snap call and roll over my hand.  He rolls over his hand and it's AcKh. I hold.  I have no idea why he didn't 3-bet me out of the big blind (maybe Lurch or TXSooner can explain that to me).  He barely covered me so I doubled up (really wish I had him covered as there was a $25 bounty).

    Still salty about this one:

    I'm in middle position and look down at...yeah...pocket aces again.  We're at the 400/800 level at this point and I've got 3rd largest stack at the table (28k in chips total).  UTG opens for 1800, one caller, all other actions folds to me and I 3-bet to 5600.  UTG is chip leaders and 4-bets to 14k.  Next player groans and shoves all in and I think for a minute and come to the conclusion that UTG isn't folding regardless of what I do so I shove.  UTG calls so we've got 3 AIPFs.  UTG says if I have aces then I'm ahead.  No shit dude.  I don't think it's possible to be behind with pocket aces preflop.  Fucking aggy.  UTG has pocket kings and UTG+2 has pocket 5's.  Really - shoving on a 4-bet from the chip leader with pocket 5s?

    King in the window on the flop and aces get cracked.  I'm still salty about the run bad.  Oh well.  Went to get back in to the $1/3 but there were about 10 people in front of me so I went home.

    I'll probably go back and play in the tournament in the future.  Hard to believe I got pocket aces 3 times in about 2 hours.

    What were the stacks of the players who had called the $25 on the first AA hand?  I don't mind the sizing, it allows us to reasonably shove any flop with a caller (shoving $190 into $270).  Like Lurch said, hey we increased our stack by 33% with zero risk, there are worse results.

    On the second AA hand, yeah, that's a pretty big raise pre.  If you are 3betting against a 4x open, and you are out of position, you are going to have to go to somewhere in the 12-15xBB range. Now we have built a huge pot out of position, and are going to dislike 2/3 of flops.  Also if we get 4bet, things are very bad now.  How deep were stacks in this hand, 20k?

    In addition to that, lots of players will wait to raise AK until they see a flop.  I will also just call a raise with AK depending on players/stacks/etc from time to time, which gives you a very disguised hand when you flop an A or K.  

    I don't prefer your flop raise, because we aren't scared of any turn card.  Lots of people when they donk out into the raiser, they are trying to "find out where they are" and will then fold to a raise.  Again it depends some on how deep we are.  Him shoving over your flop raise is pretty gross. 

    What was the 55 guy's stack?  That definitely sounds really bad.

    On 8/20/2018 at 12:12 PM, Lurch said:

     

    3x the opener ($75) is fairly standard 3-bet, but with three callers I might have made it $100. $110 seems fishy and might have contributed to a fold or two. There’s a theory that a confident bettor will go above $100 ($110) and a scared better will go below it ($85) when in that range. No worries, easy $100 profit.

     

     

    Standard open early levels is 3x (so 600 rather than 800) and later is 2.2-2.5x), FWIW. Heads up, I too just call you in BB preflop. Out of position with the chance to smash flop and chk raise you or bail. His donk bet snap shove line was poor, imo. Some guys like to do that early and either double up or rebuy.

     

     

     

    Run better, imo.

     

    Also, depending on stack sizes 55 may have been priced in. He was 17% to win.

    55 simply has to fold when he has called 1800, then it gets 3b to 5600 and 4b to 14k unless he has like 4k total or something, in which case he should have just ripped over the initial raise instead of flatting.  Agree bigly to the rest.

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     I got KK in MP and made the table standard 5x raised to $15.  Fold to the Button who flatted.  Im 2.5x villain’s stack, who after several rebuys is finally starting to gain momentum, but seeing a ton of flops.  Heads up to the flop 5,7,9 no flush.  I make a pot bet with intent to take down and move to the next hand, only to have him three bet me.  Took a couple minutes to think through, and just didn’t think he was capable of making a play.  But set or straight didn’t make sense to me either, as why raise in position with such strength.  In any case it was enough info for me to fold.  I tabled my hand up to show I was laying down KK.  Villain flips over 5,7o.  

    You mentioned making a pot-sized bet because villain has a wide range. Against someone who has a wide range I would bet smaller to allow him to call with his T7 with backdoor flush or 66 or JT backdoor flush. We murder his range so no need to isolate ourselves against the very top of it.

    And he can't three-bet the flop, he can only raise the flop. If you then raised again, that would be a three-bet.

    Nice fold, and good sessions!

  11. I have 4 tickets that are usable at any Hawaiian Falls park, they have locations in Waco, Roanoke, Garland, The Colony, and Mansfield.

    Normally 28.99 each on the website, I will sell all 4 for $80.  We were going to go last Friday, but got rained out, and don't think I can make it up again before the season closes. Electronic tickets that I can email to you or I can deliver a printed copy in Austin area.

  12. What % of their range do you think is calling a raise here, but folding to bad turn cards?  For example, say the guy who led the $65 has TT.  Qx peels turn.  Is this "hyper-aggressive" guy now just check-folding?  

    I think they have a lot of unpaired cards in their range on this board that have to fold to $180 now.  They aren't calling with AQ with one diamond for $180.  But if an A, Q or diamond turns, they are never folding.

    Also, we have the same issue we had in the chitwood hand.  Raising to $180 with $340 behind looks MEGA strong. We are announcing to two hyper-aggs "YOU HAVE NO FOLD EQUITY".  Hyper-aggs entire strategy is based on leveraging fold equity, so by taking that away when we have the nuts, I think that is the move that leaves too much on the table.  The pot right now is smaller than the turn bet that will often come with literally 0% equity behind it.

    To be clear, my answer is based on the description of villains as "hyper aggressive."  Against standard TAG villains, I think a raise has much more merit and will often be the best play.

    Also, I like the raise much more if we are in position, and they both already have the $65 in. I think then they price each other in a lot. Here, I worry that the second guy will think twice about cold calling the $180.

  13. To expand on this (because I really don't want to do my work task right now):

    We should always be asking ourselves what we seek to accomplish with bets or raises.  Generally, we either want worse hands to call or better hands to fold, right? Too often, people make bets where every worse hand folds and every better hand calls.

    Here, no better hand can fold, since none exist.  So our goals are to get as much money as possible from worse hands. If the pot was smaller compared to stacks, it would make sense to raise, so as to allow us to get stacks in by the river.  Say instead of 25xBB (lol), the open was 5x.  So the pot is $25 and we are $500 deep.  We need to raise to build the pot.

    In this hand, we can get stacks in by the river, no problem at all.  So if we raise, which hands call and which fold?  I think if villains have overpairs, we are generally going to get the money in either way, so raising is equal to calling.  If villains have overcards, they will likely fold to your raise, but may bet again on the turn, and may stack off if they hit their overcard. So in that case, calling >>>>>>>>>>> raising.

    I doubt described villains are folding a flush draw to a raise in this spot.  So we aren't "protecting our hand" against a flush draw, or an OESD either. They probably will fold a naked gutshot.  But the chances that 1) one of them actually has a gutshot; 2) it peels off on the turn; 3) the board doesn't pair the river is miniscule at best.  

    Since all we are protecting against is a gutshot, these guys are gonna keep shoveling in money until you tell them to stop, and the right turn card earns us hundreds more dollars, let's see the turn.

  14. I'm calling, no need to slow them down if they are hyper-aggressive. You say the guy counting out the $65 loves playing against the guy who bet. So don't interrupt that, let him keep playing that game. If you raise, he's at least got to pause and think about it and we don't want that. Let him make some drawing dead call with shit like AdQs.  

    We would need to raise if the board was wetter, but it's not THAT likely that they have a flush draw, and less likely they have a straight draw. Ask the poker gods to put whatever diamond out that pairs the board.

  15. Traber is such a toolbox.  He plays in lots of the poker tourneys at Choctaw and Winstar.  He sucks at poker, but thinks he is good, and gets in conflicts at the table all the time. He came really close to fists with a young kid that was really pushing his buttons.

  16. 25 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

    So, have the Cyclones ever gone 10-2?  

    Iowa State has never won 10 games in a season.  They won 9 twice, in 1906 and 2000.  Last year was their second season to win more than 7 since 1979, after the 9-3 season in 2000.

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